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  1. “London priest says homosexuality can be given up like ‘cigarettes or drugs’ and police are being ‘manipulated by homosexuals’

    No, that’s the translation. His original, untranslated comments were “Bark, howl! Gibber, rant, blah-blah! I need more medication!”

    Honestly, how gives a toss

    1. I am not sure how accurate your transcription of the untranslated comments are. Did you not perhaps miss out one extra “gibber”?

    2. Perhaps he has confused the meanings of ‘fag’, as in cigarette and homo. Probably doesn’t understand one is to ‘smoke’ tobacco and the other is ‘to poke another bloke.

  2. Replace homosexuality in that preacher’s speech with any other of the traits the bible has been used to attack people over (colour of skin for example, gender) and perhaps he would get the point.

    And no, sexual orientation is innate and immutable.

    But it’s not like you can expect honest discourse or rational arguments from a man who makes a living believing in magic and trying to recruit others to do the same.

    1. Yes! I was thinking the same response!!!

      1. Yes absolutely.

    2. Sexual orientation is NOT innate and immutable. The development of homosexuality is complex and varies from individual to individual, but it’s something that develops over time. If you look at the backgrounds of people witth homosexua attractions as adults, you see certain common patterns; for example, higher rates of parental divorce or abandonment, higher rates of childhood molestation (esp. In the case of lesbians), more self-reported difficulty bonding with same-sex peers, awkward relationships witth the same-sex parent, etc.

      There is also probably a biological component. Children witth a gender-atypical temperament are often teased and bullied more, develop body image dysphoria, etc. and as adults are often alienated from their own sex which they can only relate to sexually. All of this is a generalisation of course and will not apply tot everyone.

      1. How quaint. I haven’t heard anyone posit such things for years – at least not outside of the USA (are you from there, or do you belong to some group with strong affiliations there?).

        And I do admire the clever way in which it was delivered – such a pleasant, apparently scientific impartiality.

        It almost seems churlish to say that most of what is being said has long been debunked.

      2. Beelzeebub 11 Jul 2013, 2:09pm

        “higher rates of parental divorce or abandonment”

        Nope. Parents still 50 years married.

        “higher rates of childhood molestation”

        Nope. Never been molested.

        “difficulty bonding with same-sex peers”

        Nope. Never happened.

        “awkward relationships with the same-sex parent”

        Nope. Get on great with my dad. Always have, always will.

        The rest is just a load of unquantifiable drivel plucked out of your arse.

      3. JohnE – Ha Ha HA NUTS, did you just arrive here in a time machine from the 1940’s, we are a bit more knowledgable and educated here these days all that crap was debunked over and over decades ago.

      4. *Knew I was gay as soon as my balls dropped
        *parents were married til mum died
        *not molested
        *no difficulty in bonding
        *not gender atypical
        *don’t have body image dysphoria -bit of a bear
        “there is probably a biological component” – tripped over yourself there , see your first sentence .
        Suggest you get your head out of whichever pseudoscientific psychology textbook from the 1950s you’ve dug out of the trashcan and meet some real gay people you patronising little tit

      5. Sacre bleu 11 Jul 2013, 3:14pm

        Your sources? Reputable evidence? Peer reviewed by credible scientists?

      6. Get well soon.

      7. JohnE, please don’t think everyone’s sexuality is not immutable just because yours isn’t.

    3. replace homosexuality and replace with “religion”?

  3. Peter Ratcliffe, though clearly a bit of a nutter if he believes in the US ex-gay movement, might have a point that Miano was not inciting violence against anyone, but I’m not sure it’s correct to refer to him as an Anglican priest, since the spin-off and rather loony church he belongs to (formed out of opposition to women priests, among other things I believe) is not part of the Anglican Communion.

    1. Fascinating. I’d never heard of these nutters!

      1. Neither had I. And I rather wish I could have remained in that state of happy ignorance in this instance!

  4. No, homosexuality cannot be given up like ‘cigarettes or drugs’ but religion can

    1. Great comment – amusing and apposite.

    2. Jock S. Trap 11 Jul 2013, 12:48pm

      Indeed. A religious lifestyle is chosen after all.

  5. Techiechick 11 Jul 2013, 11:43am

    Is it me or is he implying that gay people are simply sex addicts?

    1. He needs us to be making a choice he considers deviant, so that he can be comfortable being a bigot without being (correctly) equated with racism.

      That there are LGBT people out there who are jailed, subject to “corrective” rape, maimed, mutilated and even killed for being who they are – it makes you wonder if he thinks THEY are making that choice too. LGBT people can and do die for being who they are. I imagine he is sufficiently insular and ignorant to not even recognise that.

    2. Dont know about that , but from his profile he seems to have a problem with women and gay people and is trying a bit of deflection.
      Have to tell the self styled reverend it aint working, those who RANT against other peoples sex lives usually have some issues to resolve of their own.
      I think he needs to update himself on his knowledge somewhat in regards to his favoured pray away the gay ideas they have just admitted its a fantacy.

    3. Jock S. Trap 11 Jul 2013, 12:50pm

      That’s pretty much what these people think.

      They are unable to think about the person just the sex they have. Their choice!

      It suits them to be so bigoted and not see people for who they are because by labeling people it’s easier for them to discriminate against.

  6. Crazy religies.

  7. “allowing themselves to be manipulated by homosexuals” Love it! One can see the rev has given that image lots of thought….

  8. If the likes of Exodus international have come round to the idea they’ve been peddling snakeoil and Alan Chambers, John Paulk, George Rekers, Ryan J Muehlhauser and various other posterboys of the ex-gay movement have come out the closet, perhaps it’s about time Rev Peter Ratcliff revised his position.
    Evidence for ‘gay cures’ isn’t supported by any mainstream psychiatric institutions either side of the pond, but then I guess the rev. has his own theory.
    Christopher Hitchens used the analogy of the “Hold it in” school of potty training to describe this kind of sexual puritanism.

  9. This vicar has probably just crawled out from under the hole of his church he has been living in for the last 40 or 50 years.
    Just a 2013 update on the advances humanity has made – it’s quite widely known by the educated populace that homosexuality like your eye colour cannot be ‘given up’.

    I think Rev Ratcliff believes homosexuality can be ‘given up’ like cigarettes because he’s a self-loathing homosexual who has been suppressing his same-sex attraction (probably successful for now) to the point where it seems like he has ‘given up’ any desire for gay attraction.

    Rev Peter Ratcliff’s coming out day?

  10. Is there a patch for it too?

  11. That There Other David 11 Jul 2013, 12:18pm

    LOL. He’s obviously not clued up on the current news in the USA, where groups of “ex-gays” are disbanding and apologising for being so horrible to everyone.

    I guess Mr Ratcliff (I refuse to acknowledge the nonsense title of Rev) would consider those people to have fallen off the wagon.

  12. Rev Peter Ratcliff, of St John’s Church of England, spectacularly stupid!

    Is it hardly surprising for a man to believe this sort of unscientific rubbish given that he believes in the literal interpretation of some scribblings by ‘scientifically illiterate’ desert peoples several thousand years go.

    What these people couldn’t understand they used their imagination to make up, not unlike this rather stupid vicar.

    If you were generous you could forgive the authors of the bible because of the undeveloped understanding of science, but this vicar has no such excuse. He refusal to accept scientific knowledge is nothing short of wilful ignorance or gross stupidity or even more likely a combination of both. Yes Rev Peter Ratcliff, of St John’s Church of England, you are spectacularly stupid!

    1. He’s from St John’s Church of England (Continuing). A crucial distinction. The Church fo England is legally established and has over 20 million members with churches in every community. The Church of England (Continuing) has only four self-confessedly ‘small’ congregations. This is a tiny fringe group

      1. Yet nothing he said seemed the least out of character for a CofE clergyman. Six of one, half dozen of the other.

  13. Where the “hell ” do these idiots come from? Hmm, sounds like rhetorical question!

  14. Christopher in Canada 11 Jul 2013, 12:29pm

    Religion is the opiate of the masses… need I say more?

  15. Took 2 seconds to find his twitter account, and realise this vicar is a complete twat. He’s making derogatory remarks about Islam and Muslims,

    “Has anyone else at least wondered if the war in Syria is the terrible judgement of God on Islam”

    “The revolting gay marriage plan will get nowhere with Islam on its way”

    Mishka had it exactly right, this guy is off his head.

    ps. Despite the name they are not part of the Church of England, but a breakaway group. Seems they have a real thing about homosexuality, and obviously Islam.
    http://www.cofec.org/

  16. Paul Cleett 11 Jul 2013, 12:37pm

    1 step forwards, 2 steps back

    1. Sacre bleu 11 Jul 2013, 4:42pm

      He’s a flat earther – so if he steps back he’ll fall off the edge of the world. Here’s hoping!

      :-)

  17. He refers to American “ex-gays”.

    These would be the same American “ex-gays” who keep on turning into ex-ex-gays?
    The ones who endure a “therapy” that is no longer provided by groups such as Exodus International, because said providers have admitted it to be damaging and ineffective, and as a result are closing themselves down?

  18. Jock S. Trap 11 Jul 2013, 12:46pm

    Who is am is not a habit, it’s who I am end of. Accept me.

    It’s a shame the assumption crowd of bigots choose to be so bigoted about something they know nothing about.

    Assumptions because he’s told what to do, what to think and what to say…. how boring to be so limited in life.

    Surely this yet again, this is pure ignorance and homophobia. It bares no relevance in today’s society. It shows these people for the hatred of humanity a very little else.

  19. “Bi Person Says Vicar Needs To Return To School For Science Education”.

  20. keith francis farrell 11 Jul 2013, 1:03pm

    I would like to know how being gay can be given up. No one just becomes gay. There was no choice involved on my part.
    Why would any sane person decided to live a life where they are going to have to cope with hate and bigotry. Why would any child be willing to risk their family and home, if being gay was something that you could choose.
    Get real you idiot, you are supposed to be educated.

    1. Most peadophiles don’t act on their urges because they know it will ruin the childs life.

      We act on our urges because we’re 2 consenting adults, and it’s great.

      I think you’re just bitter you don’t get laid, to be honest.

      Either that or you feel queezy at the idea of homosexuality, which would be funny because I’m quite read up on the psychology behind such feelings. It means you’ve either not been exposed to it much in your life (because we’re systematically repressed/oprressed in the media, and virtually invisible on the street, so that’s understandable I suppose) or because you’re a homo yourself and just don’t like the idea of it.

      So which is it?

  21. Julian Clark 11 Jul 2013, 1:24pm

    I pretended to be straight for 37 yrs. as it was very unsafe to be otherwise back in the ’70’s!
    I finally came out after 2 failed marriages and am now living with my husband in Spain! We’ve been together for over 10 years now!
    There is no “cure”!

    1. Happy ending, nice to hear.

  22. Robert in S. Kensington 11 Jul 2013, 1:37pm

    Rev. Ratcliff, I challenge you to give up being a closeted self-loather and any other non-gay person to give up being straight, just to prove your point. Demented loon! His face says it all.

    I do agree though that Miano shouldn’t have been arrested, please or offend. He didn’t just single out gay people but hetero ‘sinners’ too. Not too many of them include heteros in their rants.

  23. ‘Mr Miano was released without charge’

    As have the other – at the most 6 – people who have similarly been questioned for similar ‘offences’ following complaints from the public. These cases always hit the headlines and much will be made much of them.The police have to investigate, sometimes they will be a bit clumsy and people like the Reverend will make great mileage out of it.

  24. Kim Berlin 11 Jul 2013, 1:47pm

    what a silly twat!

  25. I gave up cigarettes years ago. But I am damned if I am giving up my fella!

  26. I’m living proof that with persistence and determination you can abandon your life of bigoted Christianity and live a wholesome, honest life devoted to loving your fellow men and women. Sadly, for some men like this vicar it can’t be done. I’m still queer though and God ain’t changed that nor is there any evidence he has ever changed someone’s sexuality. It’s dangerous, wicked lies folks!

  27. CH Brighton 11 Jul 2013, 2:02pm

    Peter Ratcliff wasn’t given the gift of intelligence when his fairy godmother waved her magic wand, was he?

    1. Actually, she was trying for both intelligence and good looks, but the batteries in her wand were completely discharged so he lost out on both accounts.

  28. Michael 2912 11 Jul 2013, 2:07pm

    Actually even if I can give up being gay I so completely don’t want to. And FYI, you utter knob-head, you can just as easily give up being a bigoted, dim-witted priest. Try it!

  29. So the notoriously homophobic police force is being manipulated by gays………… right

    1. I think I might quite enjoy manipulating a policeman. I had not realized it was so easy to arrange, perhaps a trip to the UK is in order.

  30. GulliverUK 11 Jul 2013, 2:39pm

    Listening to some of his podcasts – he just rambles on in a incoherent fashion, randomly jumping from one point to another and back again. He doesn’t like Roman Catholics – they are sinners who keep the truth about Jesus from the people. He also has almost no grasp of the Bible, confusing words like “effeminate” with being gay, whereas in fact it meant “soft ones”, referring to people who are vain, or live in palaces, who wear fine clothes. This means he hasn’t got the first clue about the Bible and its translations. The meaning of that word today is entirely different to what it meant in the Greek language, and common use at that time. No knowledge of the history. Doesn’t believe in the ordination of women. We’re “evil doers”, apparently.

    1. GulliverUK 11 Jul 2013, 2:47pm

      btw Tony Miano posted the video on YouTube – this makes it look like a stunt, and he intended to provoke. He was using a loud-speaker, you could not fail to ignore him. He was disturbing the peace as far as I’m concerned and the police were correct to arrest him.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=F2vu9CI5Ij4

      I wouldn’t be surprised if The Christian Institute or Christian Concern didn’t pay for him to do it, as a publicity stunt. Also use the pedophilia claim. He spend most of the video talking about homosexuality, mentions adultery, etc., only slightly. If you haven’t watched this video you really must.

      1. GulliverUK 11 Jul 2013, 2:50pm

        And this is why the Public Order Act should NEVER have been changed. Now we’re going to have to get it changed back, or introduce a new law, to stop people like this.

  31. Sounds like a very good analogy to me. How many people who swear blind they’ve given up smoking are later to be found ’round the back having a crafty one and pleading a momentary lapse?

  32. Religion can certainly be given up like cigarettes. Thousands are leaving the Church of England as they are so out of step with society. Think on when you see those empty pews Vicar.

    1. This ‘gentleman’ is not a member of the Church of England, but of a tiny group calling itself the ‘Church of England (Continuing)’.

  33. Tom Cotner 11 Jul 2013, 2:55pm

    I wonder if this nit-wit would have been so certain that one could also give up religion, just as one gave up cigarettes!
    It’s almost as though he thinks one might go to the drug store and get an arm patch to ward away the homosexual spirits.
    Yeechhh!

  34. You’d know!

  35. It is not possible to give up fags. Cigarettes are another matter.

    Manipulating policemen sounds fun though.

    PS I am treating this nutters comments with the contempt they deserve.

  36. His twitter account is @PeterJRatcliff. Do NOT harass him or be impolite but be firm!

    1. metsän poika 11 Jul 2013, 3:23pm

      Our outrage is his oxygen. Can you imagine his frustration if we all tweeted that we agreed with him. If you can be bothered that is.

    2. Wouldn’t it be better still to ignore him altogether?

  37. Silly rabbit, imaginary friends are for kids.
    Keep your bigoted views to yourself. There’s a good chap.

  38. David in the O.C. 11 Jul 2013, 3:31pm

    Did it ever cross his mind that those so-called “ex-gays” are simply lying to everyone, including themselves? Pretending to live a “straight lifestyle” doesn’t magically make you straight.

    1. I feel so so sorry for those people. We judge people who said they were “ex-gay” but seem to ignore that they were tricked into believing they could be “cured” of their “illness”.

      I want heads to roll for these treatments because they’re nothing more than torture and lies and caused a mind boggling amount of suffering in classic Christian style.

  39. The Church are nothing but a bunch of old haggling housewives that are running a club that is ‘so last season’ get a grip dear!

  40. I had not realized how easy it apparently is to manipulate a policeman these days. I think I should quite enjoy it; packing my bags for a UK trip as I type…

  41. No, you can’t give up homosexuality, Rev, but you can give up hate. Why not try it one day?

    And while you’re at it, why not throw in a big dollop of education too, because you sound embarrassingly ignorant about LGBT people. And, as with many homophobes, strangely obsessed…

  42. Stupid man.Religion can be given up.Being Gay cannot.

  43. It’s so frustrating to see people constantly undermining us and saying it’s a choice… there’s no proof it’s not a choice… and all that bollocks. HELLO!? We are LIVING PROOF! Why does nobody believe us? Why do they have to do inhumane experiments and studies on us before they actually believe us?

    1. It’s far easier to believe in sky fairies than real people, because sky fairies conform 100% to the way you want them to be, whereas real people do not.

      1. Chill. Really. These guys will never ‘believe’ you…they have wayyyy too much invested in their belief systems. Turns out that God loves gays too?? Wow..does that means that some words translated, and changed, and rewritten and retranslated hundreds of times starting about 2500 years ago and then interpreted any way you want may not be the 100% objective truth???! Oh no! What else is wrong in there? What am I left with???!

  44. Guglielmo Marinaro 11 Jul 2013, 4:47pm

    I wonder if you can also give up heterosexuality like cigarettes.

  45. Okay, everyone, I take full responsibility for this man’s attack on the gay community. I hired a male stripper dressed as a policeman. Sorry.

    1. Beelzeebub 11 Jul 2013, 9:31pm

      Mine was a balding bespectacled Reverend dressed as a tart.

      Oops.

  46. Hysterical! Honestly, where does the Church get these bloody people? If only religious bigotry was as easy to give up “as cigarettes” eh?

  47. I suspect that the priest was talking about sexual relations not attractions or orientations when he compared that to giving up cigarettes and drugs.

    If you feel strongly about following traditional literal interpretations of the Bible this is a reasonable comparison.

    Even if this is not a desirable goal for the overwhelming majority of gay people and even if it is very difficult to achieve for the few that want this, it is their right to pursue it and to advocate for it.

    1. Becoming addicted to cigarettes and other drugs is a matter of choice, sexuality isn’t. Advocating “conversion” is false advertising and is potentially psychologically damaging.

    2. Tim Hanafin 12 Jul 2013, 1:01pm

      No, it’s no longer their right to advocate for it, if it interferes with my human rights and they spread hateful lies about gay people. I’ve had it with this toleration of bigots because they clothe themselves in the respectability of a so called religion. This bigot is part of a splinter cult of the CofE and he should stick to the message “love thy neighbour’ THAT is the fundamental message of Christ. Take the log out of your own eye before pointing out the splinter in mine, you bloody Pharisee.

  48. What a deluded fool – he brings the Church of England into (even further) disrepute – these Neanderthal flat earthers should be defrocked and offered corrective therapy to cure them of their ignorance and hatred towards their fellow men.

    1. Thomas Thurman 11 Jul 2013, 9:04pm

      He is nothing to do with the Church of England.

  49. It should be pointed out that he claims to be “Church of England (Continuing).” Either he’s C of E, or he’s a “continuing” schismatic ersatz “anglican.” He can’t be both. We have the same problem in the US (chuckle).

  50. Beelzeebub 11 Jul 2013, 9:09pm

    The dear old Rev has been responding to comments on :

    http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/10538709._/?cmpid=cmt

    If you wish to correct him directly, that is the place.

    Head on over and give him a bit of his own medicine.

    He is after all a great supporter of free speech… ROFL…

    1. He does go on, doesn’t he?:D Raving! I love the way he compares homosexuality to terrorism too: “Yes, I gave up smoking and drinking after a few years hard struggle. I know others who have given up all sorts of things like crime and terrorism and drugs and even homosexuality”.

      What a sad, sad man.

  51. Robert Amsel 11 Jul 2013, 9:49pm

    Did Rev Ratcliff find that giving up his own homosexuality was as easy as giving up cigarettes?

  52. “Church of England (Continuing)?!” Sounds like one of those loony fake Anglican sects that have weird fundamentalist objections to the ordination of women.
    And isn’t this Ratcliff idiot aware that the US exgay movement seems to be dying on its feet?! It almost doesn’t exist in NZ.

    1. It is – that, apparently, is why it was set up.

  53. Janet Lameck 12 Jul 2013, 5:11am

    Another heterosexual sterotype.
    Personally I think the so called straights are the “QUEERS”!

  54. You can give up religion way easier than cigarettes

  55. Does anybody around here actually WANT to give it up?
    If being gay really is a lifestyle choice then it’s one I am very happy with.
    I’m just off to read through the Bible again to see what God says about twats….I’ll get back to you.

  56. What next, a ‘gay patch’ you can put on your arm to help you quit !!

  57. hahahahahahahahahahahah…religious people are just pathetic…it is quite easy to give up religious bulls*** as well, you just need to open your eyes and realise that the world is not in the 14th century anymore.
    I absolutely hate relious people….

  58. ..who is this prat, what on Earth is he talking about….homosexuality can be given up like cigarettes?? I do not understand why people like this with such very little brains gets to voice such an opinion..

  59. This person, Peter Ratcliff, along with many other evangelicals have turned the teaching of Jesus, up side down; I would suggest he reads the bible with an open mind. At the moment he must be a very unhappy man, he should check out the mote and log mentioned by Jesus, and much worse millstone.

  60. Beelzeebub 12 Jul 2013, 7:04pm

    P!ss off airhead…..

  61. bobbleobble 12 Jul 2013, 7:24pm

    Oh Keith you’re like a poster boy for fundamentalist claptrap you really are.

    Have you found that partner for sc@t yet by the way? Seriously, no one could be as obsessed with it as you are and not be desperate to give it a go.

  62. You think incest is victimless, do you? How revealing (as is so much else you so keenly express, dearest Keith.)

    1. bobbleobble 12 Jul 2013, 10:52pm

      So it’s promiscuity that causes those babies to contract HIV then, not homosexuality. Homosexuality is victimless in and of itself. My attraction to others of my own gender causes no harm to anyone nor does my sexual contact with my partner.

      This is exactly what I mean by fundamentalism, you can’t actually form a real argument because you’re just so angry and confused. You see everything in black and white when we live in a grey world. You really need to calm down and look at why you’re so angry with people you’ve never met.

    2. bobbleobble 12 Jul 2013, 11:00pm

      Paedophilia is not a behaviour but an attraction which paedophiles pretty much can’t do anything about. The difference with homosexuality however is that those under 16 cannot consent to sexual conduct and so paedophilic attractions have to be controlled to prevent sexual abuse.

      Again, more evidence of your fudamentalist lunacy. You cannot distinguish between different things and cannot overcome the fact that your opinion is not fact.

      Homosexuality may be frowned on by half of the world but 50 years ago it was much more than that. The world is moving towards acceptance of people like me and leaving people like you behind. I guess that might be why you’re so angry.

    3. Guglielmo Marinaro 13 Jul 2013, 4:28pm

      Keith, bracketing homosexuality with paedophilia is as logical as bracketing heterosexuality with paedophilia. And thank you for revealing that you’re a moral educator. I’m a reincarnation of Alexander the Great.

      1. Just because homosexuals are rarer than heterosexuals doesn’t mean they’re not “normal”. Homosexuals exist throughout the entire animal kingdom, have done throughout eternity, they are normal. You really are an idiot, Keith.

  63. Who is he to tell consenting adults how to live their lives.

    1. bobbleobble 12 Jul 2013, 11:14pm

      Lots of things don’t benefit society but that doesn’t make them immoral or harmful.

      Keith this is a genuine question, what do you get out of coming here? You know that we all think of you as a total idiot. None of us take you remotely seriously so why waste your time and effort?

      1. DROP DEAD.

  64. Donald J Morrison 13 Jul 2013, 10:21pm

    We applaud and salute Rev Peter Radcliff for once again defending the absolute truth of God’s word, as recorded in the Bible. Every true Christian will endeavor to speak the truth of God, in love and sincerity, to his fellow-sinner when he witnesses to them about their need of Christ and salvation. This is what Tony Miano was doing on Monday July 1st in Wimbledon – this was what Rev Peter Radcliff was doing when he spoke to the press afterwards, following this incident.

    Can I add that every practicing homosexual should regard every genuine Christian as his best friend, because he will tell him the truth, whether he likes it or not, about his sin and guilt before God.

    1. “Can I add that every practicing homosexual should regard every genuine Christian as his best friend, because he will tell him the truth, whether he likes it or not, about his sin and guilt before God.”

      hahahaha now how can you be so literate and yet so desperatley dumb? Nobody can speak for God, get that into your skull. People who claim they know what God wants are liars and sociopaths. Wake up, you’re being brainwashed.

  65. Donald J Morrison 13 Jul 2013, 10:28pm

    I have to say to the writers who comment with such vulgar and filthy language, that it really reflects what you are within your own hearts. The Bible reminds us that the “heart is desperately wicked.” We all need a heart cleansed by the precious blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.

    1. Our language is worse than the atrocities commited by your so called Holy church? Yeah, dream on. God (if he actually existed) would be much more pissed off at your church and it’s followers and the horrors they’ve commited over the past 2000 years than a few people swearing on a forum. Grow up.

  66. Stephen Wilson 17 Jul 2013, 1:23am

    Comments like this are the reason so many people are ‘giving up’ religion.

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