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Lord Alli amendment to equalise pensions in equal marriage bill withdrawn

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  1. Well there we have it, don’t we? Government all for marriage equality apart from where it really matters: financial rights.

    All their talk means nothing when it actually matters.

    Sadly, the bill has proved to be a waste of time, after all.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 10 Jul 2013, 8:49pm

      I strongly disagree that this bill has been a waste of time. That’s the sort of thing that Tory opponents say who think it’s a waste of time anyway, that we should be content with CPs. We can’t always get everything we want instantaneously. The bill just needs to be passed first and then let the government look into the pensions issue as it say it will just as it will for hetero CPs and Humanist marriages.

    2. It’s the right fight at the wrong time. Let’s get marriage first and then pension rights will follow. Lumping everything together means we have less chance of getting anything.

      Patience is the key here

  2. She said: “This debate demonstrates the need for us to be better informed. There are issues that need proper consideration… What I am going to do is discuss further with my ministerial colleagues.”

    You can tell, by looking at the long grass, that something rather important has been kicked into it.

  3. I am really disappointed about this. Angry actually.

    Perhaps married gay couples should receive larger tax concessions than their straight counterparts to compensate for the financial inequality they may encounter later in life.

    I know how that idea would be received.

  4. Mihangel apYrs 10 Jul 2013, 6:57pm

    £18m.

    And what did the Olympics cost.

    Or even the opening pantomime.

    Or even the closing bit????

    Rub our noses in it – take the money off us while couldn’t marry or C.P, but don’t treat our spouses as equal.

    That nice ECHR will clear this up, but how many will live in poverty ‘cos they can’t get their full survivor pension in the interim?

  5. Colin (London) 10 Jul 2013, 7:40pm

    Folks
    I know this is disappointing but the lovely Lord Ali is doing his bit for us all.

    I know this looks as if it’s a part defeat but as in life compromises are reality if we want progress.

    All I will say is we pick our fights to get this act enabled and we are so close.

    Have faith and stay positive. Certain other legislation allows us to take this to the courts. Yes it’s slower but we get 95% now and go after the rest later.

    The churches have their tactics…we do also. Please send a thanks to Lord Ali.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 10 Jul 2013, 10:26pm

      Totally concur, Colin. We can’t always get everything we want but at least get this Bill through into law then have the pensions, humanist weddings and CPs for heteros sorted. At least the government are now willing to looking into all three than refusing point blank to do anything. Equality for minorities has always come in stages, not entirely ideal but we are winning, slowly but surely.

  6. Assuming that pension equality ever comes into effect, I hope LGBT people who are drawing on spousal pensions will be granted a backdated lump-sum, to compensate for the time they spent living with smaller payments.

  7. I think the European Union and European Court might have something to say about this as well.
    The German government have just had to equalise benifits for same-sex couples in committed relationships after loosing in court, they were compelled to comply by the German Supreme Court.
    As Lord Ali said the actuarys do not consider or considered same sex unions before or since 2005 they considered marriage and their liabilities in that regard, and gay individuals did not get a discount then or now. so they they paid the same contributions then and now so should get equal benifits all the rest is discrimination _ nothing else!
    Come on Cameron, do the right thing and stop your Ministers making lame excuses, plus it doesnt make you look good, just as it didn’t for Angela Merkel.

    1. Equality Network 11 Jul 2013, 9:07am

      There is already a legal case in progress on this issue: Walker v Innospec. Mr Walker is claiming that he should have equal pension rights (for a civil partnership) as if he were married. He won at the Employment Tribunal. Innospec are now appealing. Appeals could go all the way to the UK Supreme Court and then to the European Court of Justice (the EU court – not to be confused with the European Court of Human Rights).

  8. Robert in S. Kensington 10 Jul 2013, 8:44pm

    I know it’s disappointing but at least the government will take another look at it. Just get this bill passed first.

  9. I believe a similar amendment was moved to the Pensions Bill – how did that fare?

  10. Kerry Hollowell 11 Jul 2013, 9:21am

    this really sickens me, apart from the name “marriage” this was the main difference and inequality between civil partnerships and civl marraige. There needs to be an urgent petition to get this inequality sorted. Civil partners/same sex married couples need to be entitled to the same survivor pension benefits as married couples.

    1. I think the best way to fix this will be to take this matter through the courts and ultimately to the ECHR, who will rule against the government – courts have already done so. Their arguments against are fallacious and don’t actually hold up to scrutiny, and there will be a very real cost to the government, both in defending itself in court, and lost reputation – it is absolutely disgusting to be opposing equality – this is not equal marriage, but almost-equal marriage — and it’s not what I spent the last 5 years posting about, trying to explain to opponents across dozens of forums and news-paper comment sections. It has to be equal, if it’s not then it just won’t do, the issue won’t be put to bed, the government and those working in favor of the bill aren’t going to get the full credit they deserve, and it will be brought up as a red mark against the government at the next election.

      Basically, flipping sort it out!

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