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Labour MP Ben Bradshaw: Exeter church ‘banned same-sex couple from worship’

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  1. Robert in S. Kensington 10 Jul 2013, 12:20pm

    I never knew that worship is considered to be a sacrament or am I missing something, according to the Dean of Exeter Cathedral?

    I’m glad Bradshaw has exposed the bigotry of right wing evangelicals. Surprised to hear Tory MP and freemason Sir Tony Baldry concur with Bradshaw.

  2. That There Other David 10 Jul 2013, 12:32pm

    Does this church also ban divorcees and their children from attending its services? If not, why not?

    1. They probably do. In Biblical terms, divorce is prohibited in almost all circumstances, and those who remarry after divorce are said to be living in adultery.

      1. That There Other David 10 Jul 2013, 1:35pm

        This needs to be clarified, especially their position regarding the children of divorcees.

        1. So, what happens when Prince Charles finally succeeds to the throne, given that he is divorced? No wonder he wants to disestablish the CoE

  3. The day the last place of “worship” is destroyed and burned to the ground and the last hatred filled preacher out of a job, then then human race can rejoice and start a new chapter.

    1. Just like when Stalin destroyed the monasteries and imprisoned and killed many religious people, and all-but banned religion in Russia? Many people have faith in God, you appear to have faith in the innate goodness of man. You might be sorely disappointed.

      1. Beelzeebub 10 Jul 2013, 2:57pm

        Churches are nothing more than deluded dens of piety and self aggrandisement prostrating themselves to an imaginary deity whilst ripping of the poor fools they manage to convince of its validity.

        Spot the key word. “Faith”.

        Reality not required,

  4. Absolutely disgusting. You can never trust any right-wing driven Evangelical – all are tarnished by this. But it’s not surprising – in the US, and even here in the UK, the Catholic church have told some they will be refused sacraments for supporting equal rights and equal marriage. They have even said that to ministers and MPs.

    These disgusting people are a blot on the whole of humanity – the government needs to remove tax-exempt status from all churches to make absolutely sure they know that tax-payers will not fund their egregious behavior.

    I mean, you don’t have to approve of their sexual orientation, but to refuse them to worship in your church is utter contempt.

    What we also need to absolute separation of church and state in law, such that there cannot be any tax exemption for churches, cannot be any element of religion in schools (ALL schools must return to the public sector), and bogus charities have their tax-except status withdrawn, especially Evangelical ones :)

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 10 Jul 2013, 12:59pm

      I agree and have advocated that for years but no MP is going to touch it. As progressive as many of them are, religion is one area that they keep their hands off. That’s why disestablishment of the CoE hasn’t taken root.

      Religion-based schools should all be private entities and not receive state aid. Let the respective denominations pay for and fund them and the parents cough up the fees.

      I resent the fact that our tax pounds prop up these hate groups which is what they really are in essence.

      1. Why are they “hate groups”? The Bible forbids (or at least cautions against) believers fellowshipping together with unbelievers. Churches have a right to enforce certain standards of behaviour among those who want to take part in church activities. It’s a church – not a social club.

        1. That There Other David 10 Jul 2013, 1:34pm

          As in my previous question, do this church group allow divorcees and their children to attend services? If the answer is yes, then the requirements of their religion is not the motivating factor in excluding this family from their group. They are simply hiding behind their religion as an excuse to display prejudice.

        2. Robert in S. Kensington 10 Jul 2013, 1:44pm

          When they spread false statements about gay people and traducing the Marriage Bill as well as our lives and relationships about which they know nothing, then yes, they deserve the hate group label. Jesus Christ didn’t turn anyone away let alone judge others which proves just how bigoted they are.

  5. Well if you are gay and wish to “worship” at a conservative evangelical church what on Earth do you expect from a fascistic organisation; I’m surprised they were not allowed in so the bigots could try out one of there so called “Gay cures” These guys should dump the religious mumbo-jumbo and just get on with their lives; being religious doesn’t make you a better person – just deluded.

    1. What a prat I am; there should be their! Too hot for me.

    2. This church is simply enforcing biblical standards of sexual morality among those who want to worship there. How does that make it a “fascistic” organisation?

      1. Beelzeebub 10 Jul 2013, 2:53pm

        I take it that this church investigates its female members bit’s to ensure that they have not had sex before marriage?

        And please remember that the default marriage in that book is polygamy.

  6. Mumbo Jumbo 10 Jul 2013, 1:13pm

    And if this couple or one like them elsewhere have children, then a failure to be able to worship at your local church could mean they were denied a place in the local state school if it was a church school and church attendance was a selection criteria.

    1. Why would they even WANT a place at the local church school? It would be a bit like a communist trying to join the conservative party!

      1. That There Other David 10 Jul 2013, 1:36pm

        Being a Christian and being in a same-sex relationship are not mutually exclusive.

        1. George Broadhead 10 Jul 2013, 3:58pm

          But it’s a bit masochistic, isn’t it?

          1. That There Other David 10 Jul 2013, 4:01pm

            Christianity most certainly is. All that guilt, sinning and repentance nonsense. Applies to all its followers that though, not just the gay ones.

        2. James Martin 10 Jul 2013, 6:50pm

          No, not for idiots who don’t think about the knock on effects of their simple-minded actions it isn’t.

  7. “Tom Cook, of the Exeter Independent Evangelical Church, which said it did not refuse the couple, told the BBC: “We believe what the Bible says and it says that lots of different things are wrong, including homosexual relationships.”

    Notice that they pick and choose which “instructions” they decide to follow? The religious are constantly stating that the “Bible says” as an excuse to attack people, but they all ignore the other aspects, such as slavery, stoning, sale of daughters, eating shellfish…

    These bigots are hypocrites, simple as that. They abuse others based on their warped opinions and excuse it with Bible quotes.

    I long for the day when all religions are eradicated from Humanity. It can’t some soon enough.

  8. They do a great nativity scene at Christmas too with a dog in the manger instead of a baby.

  9. Organisations like Evangelical Alliance make bold claims about bringing the Gospel to people in the UK but the reality is LGBT people in their churches are at best quietly ignored or at worse told to leave. I walked out of mine when I could no longer stand the anti gay rhetoric whilst other sins of greed, slander and pride were ignored. I found my Samaritans among a group of gay men. To me evangelicals are the Pharasees Jesus warned us about: pious hypocrites.

  10. While I respect the couple’s religious freedom, why they’d want to worship at a place like that, is beyond me. Again I respect their right, but it’s akin to a couple of turkeys turning up to Christmas day dinner.
    The Abrahamic god is said to hate you. The congregation are commanded to hate you, and the clergy tell them to hate you,

  11. As others have said, I fail to see why this couple should want to worship amongst these irrational and repressive bigots. Leave them to their suffocating little world and go elsewhere – preferably to a sane and spook-free future.

  12. Over here in New Zealand, the Anglican Church of New Zealand was strikingly liberal when it came to marriage equality, forming the backbone of the “Christians for Marriage Equality” group.

    Why can’t these moronic polyester wearers get out of the Church of England and drAgging it backward?

  13. Frank Boulton 13 Jul 2013, 6:32pm

    It sounds to me that Exeter Independent Evangelical Church is using the Bible as a supermarket, as many fundamentalists do. They only want the commandments that suit them. How many of them are unshaven or have forelocks? How many of them refrain from work of all kinds, including switching appliances on and off, lighting, fires and cooking on the Sabbath? The need to start living by their own holy book before they criticize others for not doing so.

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