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National Secular Society welcomes Court of Appeal ruling against anti-gay Christian B&B owner

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  1. Jock S. Trap 9 Jul 2013, 3:47pm

    I just wish they’d stop wasting money and stop pandering to them (the B&B couple).

    They clear won’t except they’re in the wrong but why do they have to do it so publically with permission from the courts.

    It’s discrimination… how many times do they need to be told?

    1. I bet they want to be told as much as possible so they can claim they’re being dreadfully persecuted. The arrogance of people like this astounds me. But I guess they have to be allowed to appeal so that they don’t claim they’re not being given a fair chance and then sit there in self-righteous martyrdom, whining on about LGBT people getting special rights blah blah.

      They won’t accept what they’re told anyway. It’s almost sad that they’re so obsessed and so blind to common sense.

      1. “I bet they want to be told as much as possible so they can claim they’re being dreadfully persecuted.”

        Yes indeed, they will be enjoying the martyrdom- Look at us suffering for Jesus.- In fact their only suffering is the withdrawal of the legal right to discriminate against others.

      2. bobbleobble 9 Jul 2013, 4:59pm

        Of course, they don’t have to suffer any persecution in this country so they’ve got to manufacture some where they can. I think that’s a troubling thing about some religions, they don’t feel fulfilled unless they feel they’re being got at in some way.

        1. Yes, persecute me, but not too hard, not like they do in Nigeria or the middle east though:-)

  2. I am constantly astonished that the tender feelings of religious people are actually considered by some to be as (or more) important than equal rights for GLBT people. How can anyone really believe this?! And it’s not just ignorant thugs. It’s Shirley bloody Williams! The mind boggles.

  3. Robert in S. Kensington 9 Jul 2013, 5:00pm

    It’s exactly the same analogy to be drawn from alllowing registrars to opt out of performing civil marriages for gay couples. It opens up a can of worms for others to discriminate. The NSS is absolutely right.

    I’d like to see the NSS become more proactive in disestablishment of the CoE, get religion out of government once and for all and out of our secular lives.

    1. For such a small organisation with limited funds the NSS consistently punch above their weight so must I think concentrate on what is achievable. But the disestablishment of CofE is something they would dearly like to see. I joined up last year and am very impressed by them.

  4. Robert in S. Kensington 9 Jul 2013, 5:04pm

    Nobody is persecuting religious nutters. They are free to believe and worship as they see fit or say anything the want, but they cross the line when they try to circumvent the law of the land in the area of employment and delivery of goods and services in contravention of the Equalities Act. The Supreme Court will or should throw this case out.

  5. I wonder how the religious people who bang on about having the right to refuse to serve LGBT people would react if someone refused to serve them on account of their religion? They’d be up to the ECHR in a flash, whingeing about how they were being persecuted and how early 21st century Britain was worse than the USSR in the 1970s etc. As it is now, after much nagging, they are treated preferentially in employment law which now allows them to flout workplace and school dress codes by being allowed to wear crosses to work, whilst transgender people without a GRC or medical note approved by a doctor are still forced to adopt the appearance of the gender they do not identify as – or else, lose their jobs or get expelled from school. Such hypocrites! Don’t they realise how lucky they are by living under a government that is seemingly so terrified of getting on the wrong side of religious extremists that it spends most of its time constantly appeasing them.

    1. Tehse bad peopel are always claiming they are persecuted,

      We know who the real persecuters are – them

  6. these people (B&B) make me vomit -the courts should tell them this is the law loves now go away.

    I hope it bankrupts the hotel owners they deserve to loose everything with their nasty from top to bottom – whoops maybe bottom will offend them.

    As reported they allowed unmarried couple to share a room so all this Christian blah blah i don’t buy from them

    1. de Villiers 10 Jul 2013, 8:29am

      Yes, well – the court did not tell them that and it gave them a support to go to the Supreme Court. See below.

  7. Teh reason there are so many of these anti christ christians is simple

    They are told lies often enough and outrageous enough that they believe the lies are truth.

  8. de Villiers 10 Jul 2013, 8:27am

    Has anyone read this judgment? It is far less favourable then people here consider.

    First, the Court of Appeal decided that the previous case, involving Preddy, was wrong. That case decided that this type of behaviour was direct discrimination which could not be justified. Here, the Court of Appeal said it had reached the wrong decision earlier and that such behaviour could be justified.

    It then said that the gay rights would have to be balanced against the religious rights and that the gay rights would not always be successful. At paragraph 72:

    “Accordingly, even though the defence of justification has to be approached in the context of the Regulations, and on the basis that the regulations are Convention- compliant, it would be wrong to conclude that there are no circumstances where the defence of justification might not apply in the context of reliance on manifestation of religious beliefs.”

    The judgment is here:

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