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Australia: Bill will stop faith schools from expelling students based on sexual orientation

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  1. Religious freedom does NOT include the right to harm or abuse others.
    There are many restrictions on religious belief – you are not allowed to stone your child if she does not obey you or your wife if she is unfaithful or to keep slaves inspite of the regulations set out in your holy book.
    Abusing gay people may be santioned like wise but I see no reason why anyone should be allowed to avoid legal sanction for doing so, because its “against their religion”.

    It is child abuse – pure and simple to instill in children (and young people) a sense of inferiority for who they are – sexuality is not a choice it is something you discover and is as innate as the colour of your eyes or skin or whether you are left handed. ……
    If religious schools cannot or wont follow current knowledge and standards they should not recieve public funds.
    Surprised Austrailian law allows this at present.

  2. Sandgroper 7 Jul 2013, 1:27am

    Can’t believe this has been possible in modern day Australia. I would like to know the statistics of how many kids have been expelled from religious schools because of their sexual orientation, I’d like to know which school and I would like to see a campaign to get the government funding of these private schools suspended. The children suspended should be offered counselling at the school’s expense and compensation be paid to the victimised child. Religions simply cannot be exempted from this human rights outrage.

  3. Sadly, I do not believe the bill will get through. The conservative party is in power in NSW and they are beholden to extreme rightwing independents who will not support this bill. It is not only students who are frightened of being expelled but gay teachers who fear the sack, There are no positive messages for gay students in the growing number of fundamentalist (publically funded) schools.

    1. Your information is a bit outdated. The conservative Premier of New South Wales actually supports marriage equality for example. The bill has a great chance of passing and ending discrimination against students once and for all in Australia’s most populous state.

  4. That_Matt 7 Jul 2013, 3:09am

    Now you only need to stop faith schools and we’ll be in a much better place.

    1. Colin (London) 7 Jul 2013, 9:33am

      To me this is the crux of the matter. Religious schools should not receive any state funding. State first, religion is a personal choice.

  5. As long as faith-based schools get funding from the government, they have to abide by laws everyone else adheres to. Period.

  6. Colin (London) 7 Jul 2013, 9:30am

    To me and I applaud Mr Greenwich, this is fast becoming human rights versus religious freedoms.

    To me any right thinking human being who wants to live in a free democracy has to accept the state first and religion second.

    Or (and I know how ridiculous this sounds) maybe all the catholics etc, go live in rome etc and leave the rest of us to an open free society.

    They have their freedom and we get ours. Then no state money, they buy their land in there religious countries, no parliamentary influence etc and we see how long it is until they want freedom from oppression….

    I so hope everyone gets it with Mr Greenwich and the media highlights this issus and free Australians rise up and make their feelings very public indeed.

    Good luch good Australia.

  7. This is a proposed law I hope will not be enacted.

    Although many traditional religions that consider gay sex to be sin do not consider orientation alone to be a sin, some of them do consider it a sin. Some of them consider just saying the words “I am gay” to be sinful.

    Even for those that are in the category of orientation not a sin, sex a sin, this law would mean they must allow gay-straight type meetings where views about how gay sex is not wrong are very likely to come up.

    This puts the religious organization in the position of allowing teachings against their views.

    It destroys the groups existence.

    Gay people around the world have an interest in not forcing churches to tolerate them against their will. Otherwise forcing gay people to conform will be seen as justifiable.

    1. Schools funded by public money should not be able to expel children just because they are gay.

      Welcome to the 21st century.

      1. Colin (London) 8 Jul 2013, 4:38pm

        Well put.

  8. It’s a disgrace that publicly-funded schools ever HAD the right. Religious ‘belief’ must never be a licence to peddle hatred. Have whatever ‘belief’ you want but keep it where it should be – in the home – and not forced on to an ever-increasingly secular world.

  9. Just imagine if their faith required them to discriminate against black people like Mormonism use to, would they expect the state to go along with that.

    I’ve always had issues with people using their imaginary, arbitrary beliefs as an excuse to get with crap. Why should they be allowed to discriminate against pregnant, unwed women and LGBT people because their faith said so if we wouldn’t allow them to murder if their faith said so (which many faiths do allow for non-self-defense reasons).

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