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Scotland: 89 MSPs support equal marriage

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  1. That There Other David 1 Jul 2013, 3:47pm

    Excellent news. Looks like this will sail through in Scotland and three of the Home Nations will be able to hold their heads up high when talking about equality and respect for all.

    Shame about the fourth though.

    1. Scotland wants independence, lets give Northern Ireland independence too!

  2. Does anybody know when the vote will take place?

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 1 Jul 2013, 4:14pm

      I think it goes through three stages, three votes. September maybe the first vote. Perhaps someone from Scotland could clarify. The nice thing is they don’t have a House of Lords to go through or state cult interfering.

      1. They said summer I think. September is autumn so hopefully it would be before then, late July/August. Is that still possible?

        1. Robert in S. Kensington 1 Jul 2013, 5:27pm

          I think summer officially ends around September 20th or 21st so it’s still possible it could be September.

          1. Oh that seems so late when in real terms a Scottish/British summer is about two weeks ;)

  3. Robert in S. Kensington 1 Jul 2013, 4:16pm

    The opposition south of the border won’t like the news. First the Supreme Court in American striking down part of DOMA, Prop. 8 and now this. Interesting that all of the Scottish Cabinet support it, ours didn’t as well as all Liberal Democrats, again ours didn’t. Not a good week for the opposition north and south of the border and I daresay there will be more not so good weeks ahead as both bills advance.

  4. Looks like Scotland is more progressive than her sister, England.
    Good on Scotland.

    1. Well its going to be approved by the Lords! Its really only Northern Ireland you have to be worried about

  5. Lady Thatcher 1 Jul 2013, 6:33pm

    No surprises there then. Scotland is a despondent, apathetic nation drowning in a sea of heroin and special brew. Nobody cares about the sanctity of marriage north of the border.

    1. Aren’t you supposed to be rusting in peace?

  6. Equality Network 1 Jul 2013, 7:15pm

    It’s not possible to predict the timetable with certainty, because most of it is up to the Parliament, but it could as follows. It’s a slow process, and the Parliament is in recess for the next 2 months.

    Committee takes oral evidence on the bill in Sept & Oct, and then writes stage 1 report.

    Parliament has first vote (stage 1 vote) in November.

    Committee considers amendments (stage 2) in Dec & Jan.

    Parliament considers amendments and has final vote (stage 3) in Feb or March.

    Royal Assent a month later.

    Comes into effect at least 6 months later after secondary legislation is done.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 1 Jul 2013, 8:04pm

      Thanks for explaining the process. Very similar to the system in Westminster except we have an upper chamber.

    2. @Equality Network

      Can I ask what the secondary legislation is? Thanks.

  7. I am certain that opponents will cry out that this is a “hijacking of the democratic process”.

    1. Equality Network 1 Jul 2013, 7:21pm

      It’s exactly not that of course. One reason it’s taking so frustratingly long in Scotland (our campaign started in 2008, and equal marriage was first considered by a Parliamentary committee in 2009) is that the Scottish Govt have played it by the democratic book and have consulted very thoroughly (twice!).

      1. Common sense 1 Jul 2013, 10:31pm

        The timing has also been somewhat not of their choosing since they had to wait until the UK legislation was passed before introducing their own bill because there are matters in the qual marriage bill dependent on non reserved powers.

        1. Equality Network 2 Jul 2013, 1:34am

          That’s not quite the case. There is a well established mechanism for dealing with reserved issues relating to a Scottish Parliament bill, by UK Govt statutory instrument. It’s called a section 104 order. However it is the case that doing same- sex marriage in Scotland in the face of UK Govt opposition to the principle would have been problematic because of reserved matters.

          1. Common sense 2 Jul 2013, 5:12am

            yes, that is what I mean. As I understand it the UK government can delay scottish legislation through the section 104 and there would be an incentive to do that so that the scottish legislation did not steal the wind of the UK bill.

  8. Equality Network 1 Jul 2013, 7:17pm

    If anyone’s interested in who the 89 MSPs are (or the 11 who’ve said they’ll vote against) see here:

  9. Come on Scotland ! Keep the momentum going !
    Hopefully with Rudd now in charge, Australia might pass it too !

  10. Colin (London) 2 Jul 2013, 11:51am

    As a Scot living in London this is pretty life affirming to me.

    Do what’s right Scotland. Lift all your people up to an inclusive society.

    I hope the churches and the media can listen to the “world” as it marches on in fairness, equality and inclusiveness.

    Go Scotland go…good luck.

  11. Paul Brownsey 2 Jul 2013, 2:03pm

    Good to see that all the LibDems are supporting it. Had one of their candidates at the last election, Gordon MacDonald, been elected, then it would have been all bar one, since he works for CARE, an evangelical Christian organization devoted to influencing legislation and public policy, and appeared on TV last week as spokesperson for the antis.

    Why do the LibDems keep putting this man up as a candidate?

    When a councillor for my area he tried to prevent the council from providing civil partnership ceremonies.

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