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  1. Beelzeebub 1 Jul 2013, 11:40am

    “he was motivated by “convictions as a God-fearing man”

    A word sir.

    By coming out as bisexual your church and your god now hates you.


    1. theotherone 1 Jul 2013, 12:22pm

      did you actually read what he said? his religious convictions where what made him vote in favour of queer marriage.

      and how do you know his church (ie the one he goes to) hate him? have you surveyed them or are you just as intolerant as the worst religious nutter?

      1. Use some common sense. He’s a Polish-born Catholic. His church doesn’t approve. Not too difficult, is it?

        And I supported him until I realised what a disgusting hypocrite he is.

        The only reason he’s done an about-face is because he’s found that HE PERSONALLY prefers c**k.

        1. theotherhalf 1 Jul 2013, 2:29pm

          i ask again: do you know the church he attends? do you know the heart of his own vision of god? that of his family, friends and fellow worshipers?

          no you don’t so shut your mouth until you know how to speak

        2. theotherhalf 1 Jul 2013, 2:33pm

          what right do you have to determine his relationship with god? what right do you have to dictate his spiritual life?

          people like you are damn hypocrites of the highest order – screaming about the evils of religious excess and then damning any religious people who stand against it

          i refer you to matthew 7.3

          oh and your biphobia is showing

          1. Mad as an upside-down Christmas tree.

    2. There is no evidence that his god hates him, even if his church is run by hateful little to$$Ers.

      Religious gay people get it in the neck from all the religious bigots and the virulent atheists. As long as he doesn’t financially support a religious organisation that campaigns against gay rights, leave him be.

      1. Religion is self-serving. It creates jobs for it’s administrators. It’s a business. There is no evidence for the existence of ‘god’ – let alone one which hates or otherwise. I think it is unbelivably sad that someone who identifies as ‘gay’ would EVER want to defend organised religion, which has consistently demonised gay people. It has done so because, in the main, gay people don’t produce more little religious followers – of whatever persuasion. We should stop defending the infensible. Religion is divisive (‘My god is better than your god’), it has a scandalous record of oppression, murder and persecution all in the name of ‘god’. Religion is for the ignorant. Most of the world is better educated now. We should consign religion to history, where it belongs.

    3. God doesn’t hate us. If you say that, you agree with the westboro cult and the homophobic religious leaders – they’re the ones who hate us, not the gods they say they represent. God loves us.

      1. theotherone 1 Jul 2013, 8:52pm

        if god exists then they would obviously not create or suffer somehting they hated therefore god would not hate queers.

        simple really.

  2. That There Other David 1 Jul 2013, 12:00pm

    Not really that surprising. Some of those who vote against us do so out of self-loathing. I’m just glad he’s found himself.

  3. So another MP who votes against equality and protections for gay people, comes out as gay himself. Why vote for such a hypocrite? I understand why coming out is hard, impossible, even dangerous for some people; but this guys actions just mae things harder for the rest of us.

    Kids are killing themselves in schools whilst this guy votes against equality whilst being bisexual himself.


    1. theotherone 1 Jul 2013, 12:23pm

      self-loathing and fear do strange things to a person.

      i’d have voted against the equality act myself – it’s an awful piece of legislation.

      1. Self loathing and fear may do strange things. However, he is in a position of responsibility and should not allow those to cloud judgments which affect so many others.

        If he couldn’t handle the politics at the time he should have stood down.

        I can’t bear to hear those kinds of reasons as to why he voted against something, which now actually protects him!

        1. theotherhalf 1 Jul 2013, 2:21pm

          it may protect him but it removed all protection i had as a gender variant person but it’s ok, you can view the world solely through your eyes if you so wish

  4. Robert in S. Kensington 1 Jul 2013, 12:27pm

    It’s deplorable to vote against our rights but I do believe some can evolve. I’m prepared to forgive and move on. I’d rather have a former self-loather on my side than against. Pragmatism sometimes has its advantages. Now let’s hope that some of the self-loathers in the Lords do the same.

    1. I agree. If human beings weren’t capable of change then progress would be much slower than it has been. It’s not just a generational thing, with the younger members of society usurping the views of their elders, there are also many people who have lifelong preconceptions that are changed because ordinary people like us engaging in discourse with them.

      As a gay man I’ve been on a bit of a journey with the gay marriage thing myself. Several years ago I wasn’t opposed to it, but I wasn’t exactly a supporter either. But the more I spoke to my peers the more I realised my ignorance of what the whole debate represented and I changed my mind, writing numerous letters to MP’s and encouraging my friends and family to do the same.

      It’s more important to judge someone on where they are now than where they’ve been.

  5. Brett Gibson 1 Jul 2013, 12:29pm

    It’s not his fault that society is the way it is (was). It’s not his fault he was self loathing, it’s a stage many people go through. What counts is that he found bravery in the end to live openly and honestly about his sexuality, good on him.

    This is why the number of ‘in the closets’ is probably a lot higher than everyone thinks.

    1. Yes Brett-and those in denial. I mean the men who have sex with men-but regard themselves as straight because they have a wife and kids at home. in fact-I firmly believe theres more of them than us.

    2. theotherone 1 Jul 2013, 12:33pm

      you think people who’ve gone through the process of coming out would be a little more open and forgiving that is shown on this page :-(

  6. All the people criticizing him… you’re the hypocrites, not him. Have you ever thought he might have been going through a self loathing phase, like so many of us did before we came out? And did you not notice that this was in 2006/2007, and he only separated from his wife/started dating a man in 2011/2012? You should be ashamed of yourselves.

    1. Dan Filson 1 Jul 2013, 1:37pm

      I agree – a lot of Pharisees throwing stones here.

      1. If people dealt with their own self-loathing without using it to limit the rights of others, it is hardly fair to call them Pharisees.

    2. A person can be self loathing without going out of their way to make things difficult for others. You are just making excuses for a rather unpleasant and deeply selfish person.

      1. theotherhalf 1 Jul 2013, 2:37pm

        yes some do and some do not but we should not hang him for what he has done but for what he will do

    3. Agentprovokatur 1 Jul 2013, 2:46pm

      Did the self loathing people you admire for evolving use their positions of power to directly harm their fellow LGBT citizens and their families?

      With power comes responsibility and accountability.

      Make them devote their lives to righting their wrongs, starting with a public apology.

      If they cannot or will not deny them a position to do further harm (which you may not discover due to the inherent “closed door” nature of political dealings) and vote them out of office!

    4. Dan Filson 1 Jul 2013, 5:08pm

      I agree, a lot of stoning by Pharisees here.

  7. If you condemn a man like this now, it’s only going to make more closeted politicians scared to come out and thus more inclined to vote against gay rights.

    The past is the past, he can’t go back in time.

    However, if he ever votes against LGBT right in the future, feel free to vent your spleen as loudly as possible.

  8. Reading all the comments on here, i am shocked at the lack of sympathy and understanding. He’s not the hypocrite, you are. You should be ashamed. This man was going through a self loathing phase, which he went through while married to his wife. This year, he supported it, if any of you bother to read that. Try having some understanding, rather than automatically jumping into attack

    1. This man was going through a self loathing phase, which he went through while married to his wife.

      In the first place, unless you know him personally, that is a supposition, not fact. And second, we are not obliged to be tolerant of people who use their power to limit the rights of others just because they’re uncomfortable with themselves.

  9. The man is a consummate politician that acts out of self interest only. He hides behind a woman to cover up his sexuality and votes for or against legislation to the detriment of the LGBT community. He also belongs to the conservative Cornerstone Group along with the likes of David Burrowes. One of the main tenets of this Group is the belief in “traditional marriage”.
    He votes for marriage equality only because he finally had the balls to come out and is with a man and it is now to his benefit to do so.
    Just because a man is or was married to a woman does not make him bisexual it just makes him a liar and a coward. Men like that are only concerned with themselves and no-one else.
    He is a hypocrite and doesn’t deserve any sympathy or applause.

    1. Well done, Jake. Excellently put.

  10. theotherhalf 1 Jul 2013, 2:27pm

    the blind hate an hypocrisy on display here disgusts me.

    And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

    (to quote one of the more juicy biblical texts)

    1. Agentprovokatur 1 Jul 2013, 2:38pm

      Forgive, if you like, but do not FORGET.

      Do not suffer wolf in sheep’s clothing hypocrites, who do you more harm than more visible enemies, by acting from the shadows to hurt you and deny you rights their power and position afford them.

    2. then sod off and go and read the daily mail

      1. theotherhalf 1 Jul 2013, 2:42pm

        wow, i don’t agree with you so i am the enemy?

        thanks but i don’t want to live in your utopia/ dictatorship

        1. Fantastic, would you like a list of other actual dictatorships you could go and live in? I’d highly recommend North Korea, what they lack in human rights they more than make up for in community spirit.

  11. Agentprovokatur 1 Jul 2013, 2:32pm

    To our cousins across the pond, good luck with the Marriage Equality struggle. Our Supreme Court just moved us here in the United States one giant leap forward and laid out the roadmap to full equality nationwide within a few years. There will be battles to come, but the end result is certain.

    As for this schmuck, we have endured politicians like this, from self loathing hypocrites like “Tap tap, in the bathroom stall” Larry Craig, who to this day still denies his orientation, to others who acknowledge the harm they have done and devote themselves to making amends for the incalculable harm they have caused LGBT Citizens and their families.

    The former we target and boot their pathetic, typically religious and almost always corporatist sponsored asses out of office. The latter, we hound and ensure they spend their time and often I’ll gotten money and power righting their wrongs (or joining their unrepentant fellows in the social and political wilderness).

  12. You appear to have an obsession. Perhaps you have a point – who knows-but you can’t keep on making it in this anonymous and intemperate fashion. If you have a complaint, why not make it formally to the Charities Commission? If there has been any wrongdoing, it will eventually be uncovered. But repetitive sniping here isnt really achieving anything at all. And it is very tedious.

  13. Sad. Another mixed-up, brain-washed self-loathing, religious believer. I was lucky. I rejected religion when I was nine and had liberally-minded parents. So I was able to lead my life without all the conditioning religion imposes on people. This poor sop has obviously struggled with his sexuality for YEARS because of his conservative (in all senses of the word) upbringing. The sooner religion is consigned to history, the better and the world can become a happier, less aggressive, more contented, peaceful place.

  14. He came out but perhaps he could have done so earlier. Why now I wonder?
    I would have some serious concerns if I were him about his political future both as an MP and as a paid politician after the next election. If he thinks you can trust the narrow minded and religious nutters he needs to reread some of those letters he received to remind himself what they really thought of him and us.
    But I’m sure, considering his past, he’ll already be working on his plan B he seems to want to have a cake and eat it at any cost.

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