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Nick Clegg: Celebrate Pride but don’t forget the countries that discriminate against LGBT people

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  1. “In the UK”

    Please Nick, do tell us when the good people of Northern Ireland will get the same rights as those in England, Wales and Scotland…

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 27 Jun 2013, 6:52pm

      Nothing he or Westminster can do about that Gregor unfortunately. Northern IrelandI has devolved government, same as Scotland. They can pressure but the people of NI have to do their part too. Force the DUP’s hand.

  2. Large international companies should decamp from NI as soon as equal marriage becomes law in the rest of the UK. After all- then their NI employees will cease to have the same rights- and their HR departments will NOT be be able to operate their existing an Equal Opportunities policy. Furthermore-any employee being re-located to NI by their company will have a right to contest the fact that his marriage virtually becomes annulled when he moves i.e no longer recognised.

    1. Large international companies are quite happy to have offices in countries where we face far greater discrimination than in NI, places like the middle east, africa, russia etc, including places where gay people can be imprisoned or executed for the crime of existing.

      They also routinely require UK staff to work in those countries, with their career development severly limited if they don’t. This is one of the reasons for the ‘glass ceiling’ that stops gay people getting on in business.

      Companies don’t care about gay rights, or equality whatever the blurb on their website says. They only care about profit.

  3. thelostdot 27 Jun 2013, 9:38pm

    Equality as long as your wealthy! Clegg is happy for LGBT kids to be homeless. I cannot express the contempt I have for him and his bigoted supporters. Especially that MP Pugh and his staff who tried to treat me like I was mentally subnormal because I’m transsexual. That’s LIb Dems and Catholics for you!

    1. St Sebastian 28 Jun 2013, 2:25am

      Oh please, you are painting with VERY broad brush strokes. Nick Clegg’s comments and actions thus far have been good for the LGBT community. Better treatment for, and acceptance of the LGBT community needs to be an evolution – if it is revolutionary we will suffer a backlash which will take much longer to overcome.

      As a transsexual, you must realise that this can be quite confronting & confusing for some people, especially those who have had little exposure. It is like ‘coming out’, before we came out we had a lot of thinking to do & coming to terms with our minority sexuality, whereas the person who is on the receiving end of someone coming out has not had this opportunity & not been able to choose their moment. Often the reaction is negative, but given time many find it in their hearts to accept us for who and what we are. This is not right, but it is our burden & we are not the only people to carry burdens. I find that if I make it easy for people, they mostly respond positively.

      1. Colin (London) 28 Jun 2013, 9:43am

        Well put…

  4. What Deputy Prime Minister Clegg doesn’t tell you is that until Britain adds the right to freedom of expression of gender identity to the law book (as Argentina has done) it will remain amongst the countries that discriminate against LGBT people.

    1. Is there anywhere I can read more about this Katie. I’m not sure I know what you’re talking about, but would like to know more

  5. Benjamin Cohen 28 Jun 2013, 1:35am

    I’m getting very fed up with people criticising Nick Clegg. I think we should say ‘thanks’ for helping the LGBT community and taking the time to write his annual PinkNews column. Same-sex marriage is a big deal and both the DPM and the PM are the political drivers towards making it a reality…

    1. St Sebastian 28 Jun 2013, 2:38am

      I agree, we have enough people trying to put us down that we shouldn’t be bagging those that are on our side. As I wrote earlier, our equality needs to be an evolutionary process if for no other reason than a revolution may result in greater setbacks due to the counter-revolution that often follows revolutions.

      It may not be fair or just that we have to take an evolutionary approach to our goals of equality, acceptance and ultimately normalisation, but we have to the approach that is most likely to bring success for our goals, we need to be realistic and pragmatic and foster alliances with whom-so-ever is amenable. Slowly but surely – think of the success of Nelson Mandela compared to the bombastic Mugabe.

      1. Philip Breen 28 Jun 2013, 6:27am

        Benjamin, I agree with you entirely. However, there are stupid yet painful inconsistencies that the government could do something about to make the lives of gay people much better. The glaring example is the recently published list of offences that the DBS (old CRB) have decided cannot be ‘filtered’. Practically all of the old gay offences are on there. I understand that issues regarding safeguarding must be paramount, but the old crimes of cottaging/soliciting, gross indecency between consenting men are, in real terms, ‘public order’ offences & victimless. There is no reason why these crimes should not be filtered after a time. They should not be catalogued together with rapists and those guilty of underage sexual crimes. So, yes, Mr Clegg has done much and we need him to do more since there is still some way to go to remove the stigmatising hurdles many good living gay men still have to face every time they apply for a job or want to volunteer.

        1. Philip Breen 28 Jun 2013, 10:23am

          Sexual activity in public toilets is, of course, a crime and registration on the sex offenders register follows as a matter of course nowadays. It is as distasteful & as undesirable as you describe. The old victimless gay offences did not involve children or those prosecuted would have been charged under appropriate legislation, at least in the last 50 years. The old gay offences relied on agents provocateurs doing the pretty police routine. The old soliciting conviction did not even need sexual activity to be taking place when arrested. It was enough to be around an area where gay men meet other men (cruising grounds or toilets in the old days) even when they go elsewhere for sex. As for the old gross indecency offences, it is unlikely a straight couple, if arrested at all, would be charged under ‘gross indecency’. Seeking gay sex in the old laws was thought ‘an immoral purpose’ & has stigmatised gay men. These crimes should be filtered after a time. Most gay men are not pedophiles.

        2. St Sebastian 28 Jun 2013, 10:51am

          More vile bile from someone who seems more concerned than the effect oh his/her life would suggest – me thinks s/he protests too much.

          You remind me of a ‘god botherer’ that approached a friend and me asking us if we wanted to be ‘saved’ – my friend replied, “I’ve never done anything so bad that I need saving’. Perhaps you are harbouring such angst for your own sins that you need to focus on the sins of others which you perceive are worse than yours in order to assuage your own guilty conscience.

          Grow up, clean up your own act and when you have surplus time and energy try to apply it to doing something useful, something good, something that increases the happiness in the world. Something like Nick Clegg is trying to do.

  6. A shame he doesn’t actually mention religion as all the backward moves he mentions are all religion related.

    Like talking about tumours without mentioning the C word.

    Well the word is cancer, or in this case religion. Why won’t people come out and say it?

  7. Jan Bridget 28 Jun 2013, 8:21am

    Thank you Nick and David – if the bill gets through I’m sure homophobia will reduce.

    However, I’ve been fighting full time for LGBT rights, especially for young people, for over 25 years and I’m exhausted.

    If I did have anything left I’d still be fighting for the needs of vulnerable LGBTs in the UK.

    We made progress providing our own services but many have gone due to funding cuts and mainstream services do not meet our needs.

    To be honest, I have seen little REAL change over the years in services meeting our needs, especially vulnerable LGBTs. e.g. schools, health, mental health, substance misuse (alcohol), social services…

    When suicide is no longer an issue amongst LGBTs then we can relax.

  8. Jan Bridget 28 Jun 2013, 8:35am

    Thank you Nick and David – if the bill gets through I’m sure homophobia will reduce.

    However, I’ve been fighting full time for LGBT rights, especially youth, for over 25 years and I’m exhausted.

    If I did have anything left I’d still be fighting for the needs of vulnerable LGBTs in the UK.

    We made progress providing our own services but many have gone due to funding cuts and mainstream services do not meet our needs.

    To be honest, I have seen little REAL change over the years in services meeting our needs, especially vulnerable LGBTs. e.g. schools, health, mental health, substance misuse (alcohol), social services…

    When suicide is no longer an issue amongst LGBTs then we can relax.

  9. CH Brighton 28 Jun 2013, 9:16am

    It’s not just that there are countries where the Government’s introduce or maintain anti-gay prejudice in their legal systems. There are organisations deliberately targeting countries, eg Uganda, to encourage such laws. These organisations are, in reality, hate groups and some operate out of the UK. Our government should be breathing hard down their necks.

  10. Nick Clegg is the sort of twat who if he had the responsibility of handing out food to desperate, starving people at a food bank would insist on labelling foods as ‘high sugar’ or ‘high fat’.

    He’s like a well-meaning but stupid little schoolboy, isn’t he?

    What IS his obsession with f*ing rainbow flags?! Give it a rest. Rainbow flags mean NOTHING.

    When he’s on your side, you know the REAL issues will go unaddressed.

    1. St Sebastian 28 Jun 2013, 10:23am

      Sam, what have you ever done for anyone else less fortunate than yourself. Have you ever done anything significant for starving people and food banks?

      From the tone of your hissy-fit of a post, you do not sound well-meaning but very clearly you seem like a very stupid little schoolboy,

      1. Yes, I have. Many a time.

        And I just lurrve your passive-aggression.

        By the way, what EXACTLY does a rainbow flag do for the rights of lgbt people?

        I mean does nobody get offended by the claim that somehow they do anything?

        Token gesture from a token politician.

        1. St Sebastian 28 Jun 2013, 1:07pm

          ‘Yes, I have. Many a time.’

          Easy claim to make and flippantly made. Somehow I have my doubts as to the veracity of your claim. How much of what by when?

          ‘And I just lurrve your passive-aggression.’

          Your response was predictable, the easiest defence is to attack and enables you to completely avoid addressing the issue, not to us but yourself.

          By the way, what EXACTLY does a rainbow flag do for the rights of lgbt people?

          Well, flying the flag publicly acknowledges that homosexuals exist and that we are not going to be shoved back in the closet by un-accepting bigots. If bigots didn’t exist, the flying of rainbow flags wouldn’t be necessary. So, that quickest was to bring the flags down is to stop wishing that homosexuals be invisible again and for the prejudice to stop. Over to you!

  11. Mihangel apYrs 28 Jun 2013, 1:00pm

    patronising expletive-deleted.

    We KNOW and think about our “family” abroad repeatedly, as shown by the articles in PN etc.

    What are YOU going to say to Africa and the muslim realms about it. Indeed, what are you going to say to our fellow citizens concerning their primitive prejudices!?

  12. Brenda Lana Smith R. af D. 28 Jun 2013, 2:04pm

    Enough rhetoric my Liberal Democratic party leader—the Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg… it is high time that the you facilitate HM The Queen assenting to an order in council of the UK parliament amending the constitutions of all British Overseas Territories to include “sexual orientation” and “gender identity/presentation/experience” as protected classifications in their present omissive Human Rights legislation… particularly on Bermuda… where gender-variant folk (be they transgender, transsexual, cross-dressers, intersex), Gender Recognition Act 2004 certificated or not, may be abused, harassed, and discriminated against with impunity…

    Brenda Lana Smith, R.af D… 
Founder of “Stand up for Gender-Variant People’s Rights on Bermuda…”
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/83427199552/

  13. Mr Clegg, when will your party and your government cease its ongoing exclusion of intersex people from equality and human rights law reforms? Why do you persist with LGBT and “LGB&T” when the rest of the world (tragically the US continues to also exclude intersex people) is clearly LGBTI, even the Council of Europe now? Cease your intersex exclusion. Become fully intersex inclusive. Give up this nasty form of state-sponsored discrimination.

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