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  1. Robert in S. Kensington 26 Jun 2013, 3:07pm

    Fantastic news! Take that, religious loons on both sides of the pond!

    1. Prop 8 is down.Only in California though

    2. Marcwebbo3 26 Jun 2013, 3:29pm

      Wholehearedly agree Robert….restored my faith in USA courts….lets hope this is the start of a quick slide in popularity of the religious nutjobs….delighted at this news

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 26 Jun 2013, 3:47pm

        Yes, it’s also going to disempower the anti equal marriage hate groups drastically and give major donors pause for thought why their millions of dollars/pounds are a waste of time. Not money well spent for sure. An historic day for everyone involved in the Equal Marriage debate. It bodes well for our own Marriage Bill passing into law. One of the most important courts in the world ruling against marriage discrimination is HUGE. It’s also very heartening to know that praying away Equal Marriage hasn’t worked in the U.S. or the U.K. Perhaps its worked against them and perhaps miracles really do happen.

  2. Victory !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  3. Mihangel apYrs 26 Jun 2013, 3:14pm

    oh frabjous day!!

    let’s hope there isn’t anything nasty in the small print.

  4. Excellent news!

  5. Cherry Valley 26 Jun 2013, 3:17pm

    I cant stop crying as im typeing, im so happy. I am proud of my country. waiting for prop 8 right now, most likely it will only be on the state of Cali alone or brought down to a lower court that already voted that in unconstitutional.

  6. Julian Morrison 26 Jun 2013, 3:20pm

    “class of persons” – oho. Could this be the nuclear option, full recognition as a “suspect class” (forcing strict scrutiny of all laws)?

    1. Sadly no, there is nothing in the opinion that even hints at heightened scrutiny. The court said since gay marriage was legal in a particular state it was unequal protection to define some marriages differently for federal law in a sweeping way without clear justification.

  7. Finally they can sing “the land of the free and home of the brave” with some modicum of legitimacy.

    Congrats America. It’s been a long time coming and it will have global repercussions.

  8. That There Other David 26 Jun 2013, 3:29pm

    Lack of standing in Prop 8 too.

    Gillard gone.
    DOMA gone.
    Prop 8 gone.

    I feel like it’s Christmas :-)

    1. A shame it was not a wider decision for Prop 8

    2. Sandgroper 26 Jun 2013, 3:38pm

      DOMA gone – great news.
      Prop 8 gone – great news.
      Gillard gone – be careful what you wish for, what difference do you think
      Rudd/Abbott are going to make for us.

      1. That There Other David 26 Jun 2013, 4:29pm

        On that front we’ve gone from an outright no to a maybe, possibly yes. How can “be careful what you wish for” apply here, when the previous PM was nothing but an obstacle? Rudd or Abbott would have to actively roll back gay rights in order to be worse than Gillard. Do you think either of them will do that?

        Anyway, enough. Today is not for arguing.

        1. Richard Gadsden 26 Jun 2013, 5:19pm

          Abbott, the mad monk, roll back gay rights? He’d try if he had a chance of succeeding.

  9. Great news from the US

  10. Awesome!!!!!

  11. GulliverUK 26 Jun 2013, 3:32pm

    Full decision here;

    for those who have trouble sleeping !

    Oh dear, white Evangelicals will be spitting and cursing at all this progressive nonsense, a Catholic leaders will be propping up the bar drinking Communion wine in large quantities. Hopefully they won’t drink and drive like that naughty San Francisco Cardinal who I won’t mention.

    What an absolutely great day for humanity.

  12. Robert in S. Kensington 26 Jun 2013, 3:42pm

    A bad day for C4M in the UK too, the CoE and all ther religious loons, cause for celebration. Now pay attention House of Lords, the writing is on the wall.

  13. Godric Godricson 26 Jun 2013, 4:10pm

    Congrats to American cousins!

    1. Our 56 year engagement is now over.
      Our marriage in Washington State will take place in a week.

      1. :)

        very best wishes – hope it’s a wonderful day

      2. Well done, and good luck.

  14. Jacob Dugan-Brause 26 Jun 2013, 4:21pm

    A good start, I’d say. Congratulations all round. On to the Lords now to settle the matter here.

  15. While I personally have a lot to gain from today’s DOMA ruling, and this is the best news to come out of the US in a long time, there is a down side. They waffled on scrutiny. And, reading the majority opinion and Scalia’s dissent, it’s difficult to understand how they could have NOT used this as an opportunity to establish intermediate scrutiny. What is “careful consideration”? Sounds as vacuous as “skim marriage.”

    1. Jacob Dugan-Brause 26 Jun 2013, 5:46pm

      Immediate blogging on SCOTUS went over this matter and the dust hasn’t even begun to settle on the questions you raise. However, there was a shaping opinion that the decision actually will have merit in lower courts in the US and could be persuasive for ssm. We shall see, just as there are things to work out in California with the Prop 8 decision. Not a clean case, there, at all.

      Still, all in all, with this court, a good day.

      1. An amazing day given the current court. I’m sure this opinion will be used in a lot of the cases to come in the inequality states. And, against section 2 of DOMA.

        Gov. Brown (back to CA) said that marriages will start immediately. Don’t know if that means today or tomorrow.

        Almost worth going back and doing it again!!!!!

        1. He can’t really say that. It has to go to the 9th circuit at least, so that they can dissolve the injunction. Then it goes t the circut court. The Gov might have the power to say “go ahead” once the 9th rules…not sure really.

          1. Yes, I was reading a commentary before the official statement from Gov. Brown came out. They do have to wait for the 9th Circuit stay to be lifted. AG Harris is pushing for a quick resolution, but the 9th Circuit is saying they will wait the normal 25 days before lifting the stay.

            I also wondered about the District Court’s stay, but that has not been mentioned by the Governor’s office.

    2. I see this as pretty much the Court dodged in every way it could. Yes they do recognize SSM as valid, but Kennedy’s opinion is excruciatingly clear they are not ruling anything more broadly than they absolutely had to.

  16. RIP marriage. You once served a purpose but you are now dead.

    People abused you, didn’t take you seriously enough, now your carcass has been thrown out into the dustbin without hope of retrieval.

    Oh well.

    1. Bahahahahaha! What a loon!

    2. Someone is rather bitter I see. How sad :P

    3. Robert in S. Kensington 26 Jun 2013, 5:12pm

      Tough titties, you’re on the losing side!

      1. Yeah Robert, you’re right: the sensible people have lost. Marriage now becomes nothing more than a love affair.

        How selfish are people like you, people who do not have children, to demand that you’re relationship is seen on the same level as their’s? Don’t you feel a bit ashamed of that?

        I’m fine with homosexuality in itself.

        1. Not that all gay people want marriage, though, it’s not a gay vs straight issue: it’s a people who understand the significance of marriage vs those that don’t issue, really.

        2. That There Other David 26 Jun 2013, 6:06pm

          You hear that? That’s the world’s saddest song played on the world’s tiniest violin.

          Marriage was never just about children. You’re being very selective with your facts if you think it ever was.

        3. Garbage and you know it. Gay and lesbian couples have children and lots of heterosexual couples don’t. Basically you think genital asymmetry trumps commitment and you dare to say others don’t take marriage seriously. You are a bigot and a hypocrite.

        4. “How selfish are people like you, people who do not have children, to demand that you’re relationship is seen on the same level as their’s? Don’t you feel a bit ashamed of that?”

          Gay people have children too. I don’t see you complaining about the opposite sex marriages of couples who can’t have or don’t want children.

          You’re lying – it’s nothing to do with children, is it? You just don’t want LGBT people to be able to marry because you consider us inferior to you.

          It’s YOU who should feel ashamed.

        5. Oh sorry Sal.
          I have to admit I hadn’t taken “The Coalition of People Who’s Lives are Ruined When Others are Treated Equally” into account.
          Go figure:

    4. I think that clearly the ones that soon will be thrown to the dustbin are the religious nutters like you. Your nasty comment denotes your frustration at being defeated by modernity and the impossibility of imposing your antiquated point of view.

      1. Actually, Carl, I’m an atheist.

        1. Even less excuse for it then.
          Perhaps you’d like to explain how someone else getting marriage affects yours? Are we exceeding the marriage quota?
          Maybe you’ll be forced to divorce or give up the kids? Maybe the sky falls?
          I’m struggling to see anything like a convincing argument about how it affects you personally, other than “The gays have marriage too now, there goes the neighbourhood!” and some halfassed etymological fallacy about the ‘definition of marriage’.

  17. If my interpretation is correct it goes like this: it sucks even more for sexual minorities living in those hateful states; and yet ten times more fantastic to be legal residents in twelve other states and DC. So reading between the lines, the Supreme Court justices did NOT recognize marriage as an inalienable right since states could still choose to “opt out.”

    1. These are EXTREMELY limited rulings, both of them. The Court pretty much dodged the question of gay marriage though it DID recognize that gay marriage is allowable state by state.

  18. Long overdue!

    This is a wonderful day to our gay brothers and sisters over there in America!

    While here in down under (Australia, New Holland or Convict Land) NOTHING happens – the same ACL in control and calling the shots here as usual!

    I predict that marriage equality will come to Australia in 2017!

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