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US Supreme Court rules ‘no standing’ on Proposition 8, reinstating equal marriage in California

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  1. Julian Morrison 26 Jun 2013, 3:37pm

    Well, they ducked the big question, but California gets marriage, that’s pretty damn good.

    1. Whether or not they ducked the question, the way they did it is significant and establishes an important precedent. They have said that uninvolved third parties cannot defend a law in a federal court. This means that in the future, in any state, if state isn’t willing to defend the constitutionality of a law, uninvolved people are not allowed to defend it (at least not in appeal at the federal level). Effectively they’ve told NOM and the other Prop 8 proponents to butt out because it’s none of their business, and established a precedent for that. This is a good thing.

  2. I feel like playing U2’s ‘Beautiful day’ right now! Marvelous day for our US friends. :)

    1. GingerlyColors 26 Jun 2013, 7:21pm

      How about ‘California Dreaming’ by the Mamas and Papas or ‘The Future’s So Bright I Have To Wear Shades’ by Timbukthree?

  3. george washington 26 Jun 2013, 3:50pm

    So they didn’t have the balls, guess it will be many years till all states in U.S have gay marriage.

    1. Cherry Valley 26 Jun 2013, 5:03pm

      No No NO !! look how they decided they pushed it down to the lower court, but they could of said wait “2 people of the same sex, not here” but they didn’t. They could of stopped gay marriage in california but rather they acted as if its not a problem but let the lower court deal with it. The idea is not what they are saying but what they are not saying. And what their not isn’t that same sex marriage is wrong, they are saying that same sex marriage is ok. Just let a lower court decided. This will affect others states that banned gay marriage.

      1. Not exactly. This and DOMA together mean that a state clearly can allow gay people to marry and that’s a bit of a win. They did leave it to District courts to decide in other states if gay marriage can be banned, but those lower courts will be subject to review; one day the Supremes will get a case they must decide. But this one they just ducked and dodged the bullet.

  4. Robert in S. Kensington 26 Jun 2013, 3:51pm

    Chew on that C4M, CI, Anglican Mainstream, Christian Concern, CoE, RCC and all the religious loons in the HoP. Your days are numbered. Equal Marriage will be OUR reality and your useless prayers will go unanswered. This is another huge victory for all of us on both sides of the pond.

    1. GulliverUK 26 Jun 2013, 4:00pm

      I hope they choke on it ! :D

      Is that 13 states + District of Columbia or 14 + DC ?

      Each state won now will be an even greater victory because it’ll signal it’s because the people in each state want it, rather than being done legislatively by the Federal government. It’s a huge victory for humanity.

      1. 12 states + CD have SSM. Several other states recognise some or all SSM. Not sure how many, but CA and NJ are two of them.

        I basically disagree, however. SSM should not be up to the whim of the voters. A firm SCOTUS decision is needed and will come in the next 20 years. Too bad so many people will have to suffer before then.

      2. Robert in S. Kensington 26 Jun 2013, 5:08pm

        It’s also going to make it much more difficult for these anti equal marriage hate groups to justify their existence, especially when they solicit for donations, money that thus far has been a total waste of time, that goes for our own in the UK.

        Equal marriage returns to California a month from now from what I’ve read, so the total number of states will be 13 (a baker’s dozen) plus District of Columbia. 13 for some is a lucky number it seems, at least for me too since my birthday falls on the 13th of next month.

      3. Mark Daniel Cross 27 Jun 2013, 5:56am

        13 States plus the District of Columbia. But who’s counting? :)

        Name – Pop – Date Effective
        Massachusetts – 6,587,536 – 5/17/2004
        Connecticut – 3,580,709 – 11/12/2008
        Iowa – 3,062,309 – 4/3/2009
        Vermont – 626,431 – 4/7/2009
        New Hampshire – 1,318,194 – 6/3/2009
        New York – 19,465,197 – 6/24/2011
        Maine – 1,328,188 – 11/6/2012
        Maryland – 5,828,289 – 11/6/2012
        Washington – 6,830,038 – 11/6/2012
        Delaware – 907,135 – 7/1/2013
        Rhode Island – 1,051,302 – 8/1/2013
        Minnesota – 5,379,139 – 8/1/2013
        California – 37,691,912 – Imminently
        and Washington, D.C. – 617,996 – 12/18/2009

      4. GingerlyColors 27 Jun 2013, 6:31am

        Several Native American tribes also have same-sex marriages which have to be recognised under US law.

  5. So emotional watching the coverage of the plaintiffs. These decisions are going to do so much good, not just for those seeking marriage, but for gay and lesbian youth who had to live in fear because of state sanctioned homophobia

  6. Jock S. Trap 26 Jun 2013, 4:02pm

    Absolutely Brilliant!!!

    Here’s hoping that’s the end of it but Well done California!!!

  7. This case was never about marriage equality in the SCOTUS. It was always about standing. Pink Fleet Street has been insisting that the standing issue was decided after the certified question to the California SC was answered. Many people (myself included) commented that the standing issue wasn’t over, but PFS knew better until just last week.

    This case was decided appropriately. Initiative sponsors should not have access to Federal courts to defend them once they become law.

  8. Jacob Dugan-Brause 26 Jun 2013, 4:11pm

    Well, for me, it helps with Social Security benefits (state pension), tax filings as married (with all that implicates when your lives are entwined financially) and the end of US Customs (border control) not letting us fill out one entry declaration as a family!!!

    Now, that’s the one change that will be so nice next we fly together back to the states for some reason.

    And congratulations to all those who can now get married in the great state of California!

    1. You mean because of the DOMA ruling, right? We’re not ready for SS yet, but my husband can finally get a passport in his married name and we can file our taxes as married. Now let’s hope that very soon the UK converts our CP to the marriage it has been for the last 5 years.

      1. Jacob Dugan-Brause 26 Jun 2013, 5:59pm

        Hey 1of, you’re quite right. Wrong post for Prop 8. I gave a reply to your post on DOMA on the other story.

        I am dual-national (US-UK), having left Alaska with my (Yukon-married) spouse in 2006. We have been through a bit in settling here in London and we know of several other couples who live here and other parts of the continent, each with a story to tell.

        We’re definitely planning to get our taxes sorted as a couple now and it is a real relief to estate planning given the complications of being Americans living overseas. Lots to figure out with this evolving situation. And you’re right. I can get my US passport with my married name now!

        Unfortunately, that wouldn’t square with my Alaska driver’s license, which I will NOT be able to change to my married name any time soon given Republican Party lock on politics there.

        Maybe chat again.

    2. As to DOMA you can reflie your taxes for the past 5 years as married…if you were married of course!

      1. Phillpem,

        Do you have a reference for that? Not doubting, just looking for info. We’ve been in the UK for the last 5 years, so doesn’t help us, but maybe others.

  9. Cherry Valley 26 Jun 2013, 4:58pm

    I feel like i want to scream….. again and again and again. I am so proud of the U.S. I think i see full equality up ahead.

  10. Excellent outcome. Most populous US state gets back marriage equality. Now, I have a question.
    Does the 9th District’s decission set a precedent that can be applied to the whole nation ?

    1. No, that decision has been vacated by the Supreme Court, as if it never happened. So, it creates no binding precedent.

      Nor does Judge Walker’s decision in the District Court because it is such a low level court, but its reasoning might influence other courts.

  11. For those who may be interested in a California wedding, here’s the current update on where to tie the knot from OUT Travel:

  12. GingerlyColors 26 Jun 2013, 7:18pm

    Brilliant news! California is the most populous state in the USA and home to several gay communities, most notably the Castro in San Francisco and Hillcrest in San Diego. While the ruling only applies to California it should set a precident making it difficult, if not impossible for referendums to outlaw gay marriage in other states in future.
    What we need next is a Supreme Court ruling overturning same sex marriage bans in the remaining US States. It is only 10 years since the Court made it’s landmark Lawrence v.Texas ruling striking down laws against homosexuality in the many states that still had them.

  13. Paul Brownsey 26 Jun 2013, 7:27pm

    “Some had hoped that the court would issue a broader ruling applying to all US states, however this decision only applies to California.”

    Learn to punctuate! A comma is wrong before “however” here.

    1. Beelzeebub 26 Jun 2013, 8:50pm

      Typos exist even in the most serious of documents.

      Get over it, get a life and celebrate this life affecting decision.

    2. “Oh, NoEs, TypoeS,,,,,,,,,,”, thought Paul Brownsey, as he read through an article about a historic court ruling, which could potentially change people’s lives for the better. “I better go and iron my socks, to calm myself down.”

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