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  1. Still, a referendum is offensive. Let’s vote on the rights of Christians to wear a crucifix. Let’s see how they like having their rights put up to a popular vote.

    1. Who knows? maybe one day.

    2. Not only offensive but dangerous. If it does go against us , what is next? Will other parts of our right be up for the vote.

    3. Robert in S. Kensington 24 Jun 2013, 8:34pm

      Because marriage is defined in the Irish Constitution to mean a man and a woman, such a change to allow gays access to marriage would have to be done through a referendum, but of course the UKIP and Tory right wing religious nutters are very ignorant about what happens outside of the UK at the best of times and will exploit it. Its the best way to get equal marriage in Ireland. Even if we had one in the UK which isn’t going to happen anyway, the opposition still wouldn’t be satisfied if it passed. They’d find something else to traduce it.

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 24 Jun 2013, 8:36pm

        The UK opposition are eager to have a referendum too, but I bet if one were called to disestablish the CoE, the same hatemongers would be the first to say no to it.

        1. Thank you someone who knows what they’re talking about.

    4. de Villiers 24 Jun 2013, 8:58pm

      THere is no right to wear a crucifix. The right is not to be assaulted – that right protects people when choosing to wear whatever jewellery they wish.

      The action of wearing a crucifix is not a right of itself but is free action protected by other rights.

    5. GingerlyColors 25 Jun 2013, 6:53am

      Perhaps we should have a referendum on whether or not Muslim women should be banned from wearing full-face veils and burkas. If such a referendum took place a ban would be passed by a 2/3 majority. Then where do we go from there? Do we ban hoodies next because of their bad press? By the way how many of the correspondents here would vote for a burka ban if there was such a referendum? If we oppose putting gay marriage to a referendum then surely we should also oppose putting the rights of people to dress accordingly to their religion to one. After all both gay rights and the right to practice religion come under human rights. We must not have double standards here.

      1. I would vote for banning the burka. Is wearing a burka required by islam or just a radical choice ? if wearing the burka, as you suggest is dressing according with islam, then you imply islam to be a religion of coercive misogyny , so yes it appears you do have double standards. To compare a referendum on both is stupid. Religion is a choice .

  2. Mihangel apYrs 24 Jun 2013, 6:55pm

    human rights shouldn’t be voted on. It’s called “tyranny of the majority”

  3. Its BAD NEWS! The Roman Catholic Church will be spending hundreds of thousands on homophobic propaganda.
    ComRes will be producing stacks of biased poll results- homophobic incidents will rise and of course the so called “referendum” will be overwhelmingly lost.

    Its callous and uncalled-for. Thank god it didn’t happen here!!! (yet?????)

    1. The catholics in Ireland will fight dirty and viciously , they are a nasty bunch.

      1. That There Other David 24 Jun 2013, 8:44pm

        Also a completely discredited bunch. If you have no idea of the size of backlash the Vatican’s agents are currently experiencing in the Republic thanks to numerous abuse scandals then you really haven’t been paying attention. The Irish are seething about it. The Vatican being vocally against same-sex marriage would probably increase the numbers who vote for it.

        1. .....Paddyswurds 25 Jun 2013, 12:24am

          …That plus the last poll that indicated that some 27% of the Irish electorate approved of marriage Equality some months ago. The Roman Catholic paedophilia cult daren’t raise objections. Rome is treading on some very shaky ground here in Ireland since they were found out to be a paedo cult…..

          1. .....Paddyswurds 25 Jun 2013, 7:19am

            Oops That should read 72% of the Irish electorate…..**

  4. Ireland would be the first nation ever to legalize gay marriage through a referendum. I don’t like the idea of the majority voting on the rights of a minority, but it would be historic nonetheless.

    1. That’s if they do vote in favour, the divorce referendum was barely won although polls previously showed majority support but the evil , catholic church in Ireland still have a lot of slaves in Ireland.

      1. From what I know about Ireland, the country changed a lot from the 90’s. It’s far more progressive now.
        Bat then again, that’s what we all thought about California in 2008…
        We’ll see.

        1. And it was the Hispanic Catholics that f’ed things up there (California) too. I say Hispanic Catholics not for a racial reason, but with the fact that the majority of those living in California are Hispanic, and Catholic.

        2. They are still really backward there, they still don’t have termination when pregnant womans life is at risk, and they had a referendum on that over 20 years ago after a child was raped and forced to stay in Ireland and not even have the right to leave the country for a termination. They are still debating today about very limited reproductive health, the country and people are so primitive ,it’s a joke.

          1. Irish people are primitive, really?

            Of course this is coming from yourself, an ardent and outspoken EDL supporter.

            Well, we might be primitive in your eyes, but we’re not racist and we don’t have an Irish Defence League and we don’t have political parties who sole mantra is to end immigration, despite Ireland pro-rata having more immigrants than the UK.

            But, don’t let facts clouds your racist prejudices.

            Incidentally, Ireland is amongst the top most educated nations in Europe with a far higher level of Irish school leavers attending University (pro-rata) with the UK.

            If you’re looking for primitive people, take a look around you and witness the many native English people of all ages who can’t even grasp their own native language but berate those who come to the UK who are both more hard working and better educated than they’re ever likely to be.

          2. “the country and people are so primitive ,it’s a joke.”

            Shut up your sad little bigot.

          3. @paul ap, Yawn! another cliché about me supporting the EDL(in a clumsy bully attempt to silence) which I never stated, but am not terrified of loony left fascists to give objective view, “we’re not not racist?” that’s a subjective test and that’s not the testimony I’ve heard from Nigerian migrants to Ireland. mass immigration to Ireland only occurred from 90s on and Ireland has a relatively much smaller muslim population than other western European states and does not appear to have the same difficulties with radicalised islam.
            As for racist prejudices , you espouse them clearly against the English and England, a country which provides refuge to over 5,000 irish women fleeing Ireland every year to seek a termination , not allowed in their own homeland, which cannot guarantee a safe pregnancy or termination if even in the most extreme circumstances a woman’s life is at risk. Not to mention the number of your fellow country men/women seeking economic refuge from a debt ridden country.

    2. .....Paddyswurds 25 Jun 2013, 12:29am

      ……while it will be a de facto referendum on Marriage Equality, Ireland’s Constitution requires that ANY changes made to the constitution requires a referendum. In this case a change is required as the current version says that a marriage is between a man and woman and the change will remove the reference to gender as far as marriage is concerned. It is just about guaranteed to pass if recent polls on marriage equality are anything to go by……….

      1. .....Paddyswurds 25 Jun 2013, 12:32am

        ps… as will the coming abortion bill… Ireland isn’t the backward priest ridden country it once was. We are educated now and have cast aside superstition!

        1. JackAlison 26 Jun 2013, 6:21pm

          “We are educated now and have cast aside superstition!”
          oh really? …lol…and u would be a shining example of that?

  5. To the people arguing that they shouldn’t have a referendum: the courts have in the past interpreted the Irish Constitution as requiring that marriage is between a man and a woman, and the Constitution can only be amended via a referendum. The government could try and introduce SSM without one, but the courts might just strike it down.

  6. I very much doubt a referendum in Ireland would favor same sex marriage. It’s possible the most religious nation in the west. I could be wrong (and hopefully I will be), but unlikely on this one.

    1. Isn’t that Poland and Italy, at least Eire has Civil Unions and gay rights protections!
      The relationship between the Church and the people has changed rapidly over recent years, especially amongst younger people, according to my Auntie at any rate, who lives in Ireland.
      I dont envy the Irish however for the vitreoilic propaganda that they are most likely in for from the Catholic Church, stirring up hatred.

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 24 Jun 2013, 8:40pm

      The Roman Catholic cult isn’t the state cult in Ireland as some seem to think it is. It dominates though but its influence is rapidly waning. Enda Kenny cut off diplomatic relations with the Vatican, the only western country to do so. The Baltic states, Greece, Italy and 31 states in the U.S. are far more religious than Ireland.

      1. I am Irish and I am telling you now Ireland has transformed from a Catholic country to one of the most liberal states in the world. Nearly all polls show that over 70% of people approve gay marriage in Ireland compared to 58% in the UK.

    3. .....Paddyswurds 25 Jun 2013, 12:40am

      here have you been for the last 4 or 5 years. Ireland is no longer in thrtell to the roman pqaedo cult. Grant it there are a few old people who cling to the past but Ireland is now one of the worlds leading secular countries. Hoe many “catholic” countries do you know who kicked out the Vatican Ambassador (papal nuncio) and closed the embassy to the Vatican and Ratzi the Nazi was told in no uncertain terms 3 years ago to stay the phuc away because he would be arrested for crimes against children if he dared set foot here . You should try reading some newspapers now and again and i don’t mean the Sun or Mirror….proper newspapers of the type literate people read…..

      1. .....Paddyswurds 25 Jun 2013, 12:41am


  7. As an Irishman living abroad, a few thoughts:

    1 When I left in the mid 1980s, the idea that on introducing SSM would have been bizarre. When I left, homosexuality was a criminal offence, punishable by a prison sentence. We lagged over 20 years behind the UK.

    2.The idea that a Referendum is needed is certainly offensive. However, to understand the Irish Constitution is to understand that it was largely written by the Catholic bishops at the time. Eamon Develera had enjoyed their support from the pulpits, and therefore it was unsurprising that the Catholic Church had so much influence in the writing of the new constitution.

    3. Contrary to popular media myths, today’s Irish person is capable of freethinking whether they are Catholic or not.

    4. All of my Catholic family, friends and relatives support SSM and I believe that the majority of Irish men and women will vote in favour of it.

    5. Better Irish people decide. Politicans are still hugely influenced by the Church.

    1. Yes Paul- but after many months of homophobic propaganda by the Catholic Church-they certainly WON’T!! Look at the Prop 8 Referenda in the States.

      1. Believe me no one wants the church on their side in a referendum in Ireland. In recent legislation to bring in circumstantial abortion in Ireland the church has damaged the pro-life. People see the the church as been fundamental and extremely outdated.

    2. Equal civil rights are not dependent on the will of the majority.

  8. Do not feed the troll

  9. That There Other David 24 Jun 2013, 8:47pm

    We’re bored with you now. Toddle off.

  10. de Villiers 24 Jun 2013, 8:59pm

    Does this have to be decided by a referendum because it would require a change to the Constitution of Ireland?

    1. That There Other David 24 Jun 2013, 9:14pm

      Yes. The Irish Constitution was written under the heavy influence of the Catholic Church. It’s full of all sorts of references towards how The Vatican wishes the human race behaved rather than how people actually are, stuff like the Government having a duty to promote the role of women in the home and other archaic social attitudes. The Irish people want to update it, formed a Constitutional Commission to identify which bits they want to change, and will then have referenda next year on the changes the Commission recommended. The rights of same-sex couples to marry is one of many updates under consideration.

      1. There is nothing in the Irish constitution which says that a marriage is solely between a man and a woman.

        This is the Irish government throwing our equality to the wind, Let the people decide.

        Ireland is a backward dump if this referendum happens – irrespective of the outcome.

        1. For a backwards dump Ireland is still ahead of most of Europe when it comes to civil rights. Only about one year behind the UK. Polls have shown that over 70% of people approve of gay marriage in Ireland compared to 53% in the UK.

        2. .....Paddyswurds 25 Jun 2013, 12:53am

          SteveC….It is not what is in the constitution but the current wording is very ambiguous and the courts have been interpreting it as a man and woman thing. The referendum is required to remove that ambiguity and will pass. Ireland will almost certainly have Marriage Equality before the UK or the US…. The referendum is NOT on marriage equality. It is require to change the Constitution…. do a little research and you will find that Ireland is now one of the worlds most secular countries. Do any of you people read earlier posts before posting inane drivel. Several have pointed out what I just did but still we get this “Ireland’s backward religious” sort of crap. How did so many of you miss what practically destroyed the RCC in the last 10 years? READ peeps,read!…

        3. “Ireland is a backward dump if this referendum happens”

          And you are a mindless racist bigot. Did mommy not breast feed you?

    2. Yes.

      In the same way as introducing divorce in Ireland also required a Referendum.

      The first divorce referendum, I think was circa 1996 and it failed. The second was in 1995 and it succeed, but only just. At the time of both referendums the Catholic Church visited every nursing home and hospital in the Republic or Ireland and quite literally wheeled out the near-dead, demented and just about everyone else they could find to vote NO. However, they failed.

      I’m confident that attitudes have changed so much, not just about gay people and their relationships, but also a feeling of having been previously dictated for years by the Catholic church, who ultimately betrayed their parishioners trust that they won’t be told what to do again.

      I know some Irish people who would go against their own life-long held principles just to defy the instruction from the pulpit.

      1. What type of place is Ireland?

        Are minority rights dependent on popular will there?

        Grotesque, Unusual, Bizarre, Unprecedented. GUBU.

        1. Are you particularly illiterate or do you have a learning difficulty that prevents you understanding the basics of the legal position of the Irish Constitution even when you have been repeatedly told the situation? Please tell us if you have diminished capacity.

  11. To “dirty filth”, owner of the the brave anonymous comment:-

    Your way of ignorance is offensive to God and decency.

    Why do you think billions frown on stupidity whilst nobody frowns on education (the preference of the vast majority) which everyone knows is what nature/God intended.

    You may prefer ignorant beliefs to erudite practices just as some prefer reading or learning. However, the latter are disgusting and preference for them does not make it right any more than it would be right for consenting adult twins to dumb themselves down just because they love learning and are not born mentally deficient.

    Do you think learned adult twins should be allowed to talk stupid and be ignorant?

    1. Who cares what you think, you’re obviously mad.

      That will do, pig. That will do.

    2. Helen in Ireland 25 Jun 2013, 10:56pm

      Marriage creates a family relationship between two consenting non-related adults. Siblings are already related and therefore cannot marry.

      Do check the legislation regarding the relations be close family members. It’s illegal.

  12. Shocking and appalling.

    What kind of dump is Ireland that civil rights for a minority be subject to a popular vote?

    1. In Ireland the constitution can not be change without a referendum. The Irish Constitution currently says marriage is between a man and women and therefore to change this the government must hold a referendum.

      1. The Irish constitution does NOT say that marriage is between a man and a woman.

        That is the current homophobic government’s interpretation.

        Legislation is sufficient to introduce equality.

        1. No government wants to hold referendums. When it comes to a referendum both parties in government will side with the yes. It is not in there interest to hold a referendum.

        2. .....Paddyswurds 25 Jun 2013, 12:59am

          It is NOT the interpretation of the Government. It is how the Courts interpret it and a an amendment is required to remove that interpretation. Ireland’s courts are fiercely independent and this Constitutional change is required to remove ambiguity

  13. Shame on Ireland.

    Equal civil right in Ireland depends on mob rule.

    Utterly disgusting.

    1. You have no idea what your even talking about. In Ireland the constitution can not be change without a referendum. The Irish Constitution currently says marriage is between a man and women and therefore to change this the government must hold a referendum.

      1. The Irish constitution does NOT say that marriage is between a man and a woman.

        Do some research for heaven’s sake.

        1. I suggest you do yours. You sound like a fool. Start by googling the opinion of the Attorney General in this matter…. if you can read, that is.

    2. .....Paddyswurds 25 Jun 2013, 1:03am

      Marriage equality is just about the only right not currently enjoyed in Ireland apart from the right to kill the unborn and that is also about to change. As has been said above, several times, were you to take the time to read and stop ranting drivel, you would know Ireland is one of the Worlds most liberal and secular countries and has been for the last 20 years or so…..

  14. If this referendum fails (and it’s possible) then Ireland will be an Apartheid state for the next 20 years.

    1. SteveC you clearly get a kick out of slagging of Ireland. Go to the Wikipedia page and have fun there.

    2. “If this referendum fails (and it’s possible) then Ireland will be an Apartheid state for the next 20 years.”

      A very stupid and histrionic comment. Is reality a problem for you?

      1. JackAlison 26 Jun 2013, 6:27pm

        NO…..BUT IT IS 4 U

        1. Oh, bless, did you have a little tantrum? Hush now. Try reading a book, your poor mentally deficient child,

  15. In Ireland the constitution can not be change without a referendum. The Irish Constitution currently says marriage is between a man and women and therefore to change this the government must hold a referendum.

    1. Stop lying.

      The Irish constitution does NOT say that marriage is between a man and a woman.

      Ireland has declared that the civil rights of a minority should be subject to a popular vote.

      That is utterly disgraceful.

      1. He’s not lying, you are simply showing your ignorance of the legal frame work of the Irish constitution.

        The “spirit” of the constitution at the time it was written is deemed by the Republic’s Attorney General and the Referendum Commission as to imply marriage is between a man and a woman. Any laws passed to allow same sex marriage would be challenged and more then likely won, according to most legal opinion. A referendum is needed as the Irish Constitution can *only* be changed by the people.

        I have educated you. You’re welcome.

        So less silly remarks attacking someone smarter then you.

        1. .....Paddyswurds 25 Jun 2013, 1:05am

          Being an Englishman and subject to an unelected head of state he has no idea what a constitution is or how it works …clearly

          1. JackAlison 25 Jun 2013, 2:22pm

            Oh and your unelected head of state was the corruption of the catholic church that kept ur people in shakles of ignorance for centuries. Id much prefer QEII than a pope that goes around saying condoms are useless in the fight against HIV. UR unofficial HEAD OF STATE LIVES FAR AWAY IN THE VATICAN-CAN

          2. JackAlison, please (1) grow up or (2) seek help for your silly ignorance.

            Either works for me.

  16. Disgusting. People’s rights should not be up for the popular vote. People’s rights need to be protected IN SPITE of the popular vote. Otherwise we all know how that can turn out.

  17. I do enjoy the stupid and histrionic of comments of SteveC. He is proof that a racist fool will always choose to remain ignorant to preserve their position of prejudice rather then learn the truth of reality. Even when told by those more learned than he is.

    I do hope he’s not gay. Racist and uneducated gay peopeople are the pinnacle of what is uncivilised and hypocritical.

    1. JackAlison 26 Jun 2013, 6:26pm

      “Even when told by those more learned than he is.”
      cringe cringe…ur comments ARE SO EMBARASSING

      1. Really? Have your read your illiterate bollox you are writing? Your lack of education and idiocy are an acute embarrassment. Try not to stick that crayon up your nose.

        1. JackAlison 1 Jul 2013, 6:03am

          Oh my I lost my crayons
          Now where could they be
          did u sit on the again?

  18. The Church and Conservatives will preach ‘hate’ and that could be the key to getting the referendum passed in favour, A positive campaign showing ‘real’ same-sex couples, their families and friends can be a winner!

  19. JackAlison 25 Jun 2013, 5:14am

    mmmm after the Cloyne Inquiry into police govt and church collusion with child sexual abuse cover ups ud think the penny would have dropped?
    u dont hang urself out to dry and ask for crumbs at the table with ur rights
    if u ask
    this is the result
    A feel good for hetero refferendum that is “democratic”

    1. .....Paddyswurds 25 Jun 2013, 7:37am

      Are you also a moron who didn’t read the previous comments. There is no choice. There MUST be a referendum in order to change any article of the Irish Constitution; it has nothing to do with church state collusion. BTW if you read the Cloyne report then you have a serious problem with cognition The Cloyne report was nothing like what you seem to think it was. Are you SteveC under another name?

      1. JackAlison 25 Jun 2013, 2:06pm

        If you read the article carefully ul note that Irish Bishops had a large part to do with the Irish constitution and therefore it is legally flawed and skewed..the real problem here is a litmus test for a disconnect between church and state just as we saw when a very ill patient was allowed to die and suffer in an irish hospital because of the illegality of abortion
        U will also realise that the Cloyne inquiry brought so much that had never been said to a head where the Irish president openly said that there would be a virtual dissolution of the monastries to pay for all damage that had been perpetrated by the collusion of law enforcement the church and apathy of previous govts.
        and yes you can change the constitution without a referrendum
        and just for the record here is an irish advert calling for what I had initially said

        1. JackAlison 25 Jun 2013, 2:12pm

          @PAddyswurds Maybe you should get some anger management councelling or ask ur doctor to give some new meds or up the dosage……and QUICK!

          1. A dosage of your own medicine, JackAlison is in order.

            And an education.

            Lets begin.

            “and yes you can change the constitution without a referendum – ITS CALLED AN AMMENDMENT.”

            This shows the staggering ignorance you posses in this area. No amendment can be entered to the Irish constitution without a plebiscite/referendum. What you have just said is incredibly stupid.

            Lets continue your education, shall we?

            One of the most important Articles of the Constitution is Article 15.4, which states that the Oireachtas must not enact any law that is repugnant to the Constitution and that any such law is invalid. This means that the Constitution is superior to all other law. If a proposed new law is repugnant to the Constitution, it cannot be enacted without first changing the Constitution by a constitutional referendum. The Constitution consists of two main parts. It describes (1) The main institutions of the State and (2) The fundamental rights of the citizen

        2. .....Paddyswurds 25 Jun 2013, 4:47pm

          No you cannot change the Irish constitution. Even an amendment, which is a de facto change, MUST be approved by the electorate by referendum….. btw since when did the BBC become an Irish advertising agency. Northern Ireland has nothing to do with the Irish Constitution. Northern Ireland is still a British (illegally) occupied province…. Veritas.. Thank you for your comments I had this written but not posted before i read your piece below. Well put!

          1. JackAlison 26 Jun 2013, 6:51am

            paddy i rekon uve been eatin 2 many potatos
            uve flippd ur lid
            N LIKI SAID
            “anger management issues”
            and c that councellor
            n the doc

          2. The illiteracy and vile racist comments of JackAlison only proves your dealing with a basket case, Paddy.

  20. GingerlyColors 25 Jun 2013, 6:46am

    If the proposed referendum goes against gay marriage, would the Irish government hold another one in the hope that people will vote in favour? It won’t be the first time this sort of thing happened.
    A few years ago a referendum was held on the Lisbon Treaty and people voted ‘no’ to it, with the ‘No’ campaign being spearheaded by Sinn Féin who incidently support gay marriages. Unhappy with the ‘no’ result a subsequent referendum was held and the Lisbon Treaty was approved by a small majority. This shows that referendums can be a farce.
    While most people oppose having their human rights voted on in referendums, direct democracy as it is sometimes called would bypass lengthy debates and stages that bills have to go through during their passage through Parliament with the risk of being sabotaged by technicalities and time-limits. Human rights issues should be handled by Parliament or in the case of Ireland, the Dáil and not be put to a vote of the people.

    1. .....Paddyswurds 25 Jun 2013, 7:48am

      Oh for phuck sake, not you too Did you not read ANY of the above comments?. The referendum is not on Marriage Equality per se; It is about changing ambiguities in the Irish Constitution whereby any law for Marriage Equality can be interpreted by Ireland’s fiercely independent courts and Judges as being between a man and woman and as such could be interpreted unconstitutional. The referendum will remove any gender inference. A referendum is required to change even one word in our Constitution. That is why democracies have a strong constitution so that the Government cannot ride rough shod over the people as in Britains government for example…..

      1. And if the Irish public vote AGAINST removing gender reference there will notbe marriage equality for another generation.

        Irrespective of what their constitution says minority civil rights should not be subject to mob rule.

        1. That There Other David 25 Jun 2013, 1:33pm

          The Irish Government would not even be pushing this forward unless they were absolutely certain it would pass. By following the method imposed by the Constitution they ensure that nobody can challenge the law change afterwards. It’s rubbing salt into the wounds of the RCC after the kicking the Irish people have been recently giving them. Using the very method the Church placed upon Ireland to prevent social change instead to bring about massive social change in a very short time.

          The people playing for our team there are very clever. They know what they are doing.

  21. Colin (London) 25 Jun 2013, 8:49am

    This is wrong. Minority right need to be dealt with differently.

    Pandering to the churches I see.. Sad and a waste of time and money

    The hate lot will preach their control agenda.

  22. Equal Marriage should never be decided by a referendum.

    The Irish Government needs to grow some and just get on with it and tell the RC Church that they are no longer in control.

    1. Read comments above on the need to change the constitution and why. It’ll help you make sense of it all and see it has nothing to do with the RC, but democracy.

      1. JackAlison 1 Jul 2013, 6:07am

        @veritas oh god
        a judge
        a daniel has come among us

  23. There are too many stupid comments here.

    Lets clarify for you all.

    One of the most important Articles of the Constitution is Article 15.4, which states that the Oireachtas must not enact any law that is repugnant to the Constitution and that any such law is invalid. This means that the Constitution is superior to all other law. If a proposed new law is repugnant to the Constitution, it cannot be enacted without first changing the Constitution by a constitutional referendum.

    In November 2004 lesbian couple Ms. Justice Dunne found that the Irish constitution had always meant for marriage to be between a man and a woman and the definitions used in the Civil Registration Act of 2004.

    The AG has advised the government that a referendum is needed. Ergo, the referendum is next year

    There is no further histrionic comments needed. This is the legal position. It’s called reality.

    1. Would’nt it be wiser to have a referendum to include an article/law in constitution which would mean that the oireachtas could enact any future law without needing costly referendum for civil rights of Gay people and for any future referenda regarding change to constitution. Surely this is just common sense , unless the irish government enjoy wasting money at the expense of the people.

      1. No. The constitution is drafted so no government can introduce a law that circumvents the constitutions. Such a law could also be used to by pas the constitution and remove rights. The constitution is there so the will of the people supersede the will of the government. Is better democracy,. Otherwise we end up like the USA where the government can change the constitution at will.

        Its a stupid statement to make to say that a referendum is a waste of money. It’s like saying any election is a waste of money. Democracy is never a waste of money, people fought and dies for this freedom and right.

        1. It’s stupid of you to believe a referendum is left to the whim of the majority to determine the rights of a minority.

          1. Hmmmm. A true fool is one that is told the truth, and yet still refuses to see it.

            You, sir, are a buffoon.

          2. @veritas, You are a self righteous , egotistical, pompous idiot to be so deluded in your own importance to believe others must accept your “truth” on the matter.

          3. LOL! O, oh, I’m sooooo offended by one who can’t understand the basics of Irish constitutional law and then has a little boo hoo hissy fit when no one accepts what they say as true.

            How pathetic you are. Laughable.

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