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  1. anti_fascist 23 Jun 2013, 1:22pm

    Why the phuck is Bulgaria in the EU ??!! With such hatred and non-action by the police against bigots, they shouldn’t be in the EU !!

    1. Hi from Bulgaria. :) It is real luck that we are in EU since otherways we wouldn’t even have anti-discrimination law.

      1. Simone Mason 23 Jun 2013, 1:38pm

        If you have anti-discrimination law how did the football hooligans managed to discriminate against lgbt people & get away with it?

        1. Ahmmm… For example the same way that all other people who commit crimes run and get away with it…? :) Is this a serious question? How old are you, 13?

          1. but whats the point of this law if it is not upheld by law enforcement officers. here we have bulgarian police telling lgbt members to stop provoking hooligans with the banners on the display, its like telling women they should stop wearing mini skirts because they provoke sexual abuse

          2. Ah, you mean the policemen. Yeah, they won’t get away with it but complaint takes time.

  2. Bulgaria should be barred from joining the EU until they can clearly demonstrate that they treat their LGBT citizens with respect. If they are unable to do that, they can’t join the club and take all it’s benefits.

    1. Actually Bulgaria is already in EU.

  3. alwaysniceman 23 Jun 2013, 9:25pm

    I really cannot believe what people write here. You question Stalik’s comment which is a Bulgarian citizen and has little impact whatsoever on the legislative process. You harass him anonymously, people, instead of sending letters to Bulgarian politicians.

    Besides, Britain a generation ago was one of the worst countries in Europe for gay people, not to mention ban on “promotion of homosexuality”, so I really think that PEOPLE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULDN’T THROW STONES.

    Bulgaria is in the EU because it shares common values and vision. Not all European countries are as progressive as Sweden, but we are all geing there, we are all advancing and going forward – this all defines us as Europeans.

    If anyone is to leave the EU, it is not Bulgaria, but Britain, because British people who should use their role as role models and leaders, not forum trolls and bullies. Stop living in ivory towers, and get over yourself. Advocate for gay rights, but don’t bully Stalik.

    1. Thank you so much! I don’t believe that they had bad intentions. It is understandable that they got mad. I am mad too. But winning over prejudices takes time and in poor countries like Bulgaria it is very, very, very hard. People are concerned about how to pay their bills, not about human rights.

      1. alwaysniceman 26 Jun 2013, 4:37am

        Bulgaria, like most SOUTHERN European (I’m correcting British geography now) countries, has been a part of the Roman Empire and the culture there remains masculine, therefore gay rights may encounter a bit more of a challenge, but eventually love will win ❤❤❤

        It is just a matter of time, and for the British people or anyone offending whole Bulgaria, I have one message, and I think you should repeat it – “People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones”. It is Britain where homosexual “propaganda” was banned in… 1980s! and it is Britain which devastated many people, including but not limited to the person who inspires me – Alan Turning.

        Please do not blame it on poverty: Brazil and South Africa have gay marriage. If there is a will, there will be a way. Colombia and Ecuador have CPs. I think LGBT in Bulgaria should be more open and out, and talk to fellow citizens.

        On the other side, there is this famous British phrase: KEEP CALM AND…

        I could add: …and FIGHT FOR EQUALITY!

  4. Orthodoxy, whatever its national identity (Bulgarian, Russian, Serbian, Georgian, Ukrainian, or Greek) has declared a kind of holy war against LGBTs. John Chrysostom, a 4th century prelate (whose Divine Liturgy is still used in Eastern Orthodox churches today) was the first bishop who compared the homosexuals of his day with murderers, declaring them to be worse, “The murderer dissevers the soul from the body, but (the sodomite) ruins the soul with the body.” Practically speaking, this is official church dicta. Russian law combined with the fervor of Orthodoxy is setting the role model-or attempting to- for everywhere in Eastern Europe and the Balkans, including Bulgaria. The influence of the EU has so far been powerless to bring about change. LGBTs appear as a fringe group to most Bulgarians, whose everyday struggles overshadow a movement they see as frivolous and condemned by church dogma.

  5. In Greece, as in Bulgaria, there is a long way to go between voting a law and applying it. Especially when it comes to laws imposed by EU directives, with local authorities hostile. Governing Right Party New Democracy, which has little in common with ordinary European Right Parties, concerning human rights, has recently denied to support an anti-hate speech law proposed by Democratic Left, which recently withdrew from the government. The main reason was that tey did not want to include sexual orientation, something that would annoy the Church. Democratic Left insisted because there is a related EU directive, when members of New Democracy, closely related to Golden Dawn Nazis replied with the provoking argument that EU directive apply to countries that do not have anti hate speech laws at all! Greece has a very narrow and never-applied law since 1979 and does not need a new one.
    We live in the chit Stalik, thankfully happy when we can breathe.

    1. You live in perilous times in Greece, as a substantial number of Greeks have given their support to the neo-fascist Golden Dawn. And the Greek
      Orthodox Church, in the most shameless manner, has given its tacit support to Golden Dawn, including allowing priests to bless their rallies:

      1. Dimitris T 25 Jun 2013, 6:33pm

        Thank you Joseph for your concern. In Greece Chrurch has a long history of co-operation with the far-right. In recent history, this was very strong during and after the civil war 1945-1949, when the communists wanted Greece to join the Eastern Block, dispite the Yalta’ s treaty. People were devided 50-50 at this time. This is similar to Catholic Chrurch as well, in Spain, Portugal, Italy, but with no overt dictatorships there and South America. Interestingly Greece, Spain and Portugal have a similar history of fascist dictatorships, the latter two of many decades and religious oppression. But something has gone so wrong and so different in Greece, don’t you think? In Spain there were psychologists arguing in favor of “disease” in the 2000’s… The biggest difference, to my mind is that those countries have definately seen their future within the EU, rather than Greece, where there are strong forces, but not majotity in society or power who have different thoughts concerning our future.

      2. Dimitris T 25 Jun 2013, 6:38pm

        (2) Ideas different than common, concerning gay rights, do not reach the large majority. Eg we cannot see Euronews in Greek and this was before the national tv shut down. It is very wrong, for EU to invest so much money and not demand this to be transmitted. It is its voice. Then it is very wrong that European Right Wing is not lets say committed to human rights, and is concerned only how to privatise etc, only for economy. Probably this is what they think in general

  6. I am Bulgarian too, and over the recent years I’ve read about some extremely brutal gay-bashing incidents in countries which have been members of the EU much longer than Bulgaria, such as France or Britain for example. So please, don’t be quick to pass judgement!

    1. Dimitris T 25 Jun 2013, 3:13pm

      I am from Greece. I do share with you the same sentiments, when a nation is condemned as a whole. But the thing is that there is not and there will never be a society without crime. The difference is in the action taken by the authorities.

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