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Tory MP Matthew Offord: Equal marriage ‘is an attack on religion’

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  1. Typical christian would be martydrom – the snotbubble snivelling of the magic-boggled wailing because they are not allowed to enforce their tyranny on those who don’t believe in their invisible friend and do not wish to be subject to the bronze age drivel that created it.

    LGBT rights aside, I am not a bloody christian and will fight hard to not be subject to the facile nonsense of his bronze age eschatological hocus pocus.

    1. Well said. Couldn’t have done it better myself. Christians are a bunch of crybabies behaving like little spoiled children who got a ‘no’ for the first time. Time to once and for all end their tyrany and stop them from holding back the world from development, freedom and progress.

    2. Thank you. That first line is one of the worthiest tributes to the awsomely expressive powers of the English language that I have ever come across. I also happen to agree with it. It staggers me that there are still elected politicians in this supposedly pluralistic democracy who expect us to live under laws dictated by irrational cults.

      1. Beautiful prose – and I have learnt several new words.

        Thank you

    3. Religious people don’t get it and will never get it. It`s called indoctrination.

    4. “I think there is a genuine trend against religious practices. Those of faith are made to feel like there is something wrong with them.”

      Oh the irony. So you Matthew Offord feel that you are being marginalised, victimised and made to feel like there is something wrong with you because of your religious beliefs, something you choose…. well suck it up pretty boy, silver spoon – that is precisely what your religious lot have been doing to homosexuals (an orientation that we did not choose, something we were born with) for millennia. Your arrogance and insensitivity are absolutely astounding. How do you live with yourself, your hypocrisy. Shame, shame, shame……

  2. I never knew vegetables were allowed to stand in elections, let alone win them.

  3. Equal marriage isn’t stopping you believing any part of your particular religions fairy tales and nobody is trying to “make changes to the religious belief that marriage should be between a man and a woman.”
    Mr Offord seems to forget that not everybody shares his beliefs or wants to be ruled by them.
    After all, if I was going to live my life based on a story book then I would choose The Wizard of Oz.

    1. Exactly. They’ve (quite rightly) put very strong protections in place for religious belief, but such protection needs to go both ways or it is fundamentally broken. If I don’t share the religious beliefs of the Church of England, or the Catholics, or whoever, then how on earth can it be considered reasonable to legally prevent me marrying the hypothetical woman I love, simply because someone else’s religious belief considers lesbian weddings to be wrong?

    2. I’m beginning to see why the Romans viewed christians as ‘troublesome’. Of course, ANY zealot is potentially dangerous. ‘Religious’ belief is, by its very nature, self-delusional. There is no proof of its basis whatsoever. So, if you are a ‘believer’, you may convince yourself that sky fairies require you to follow a mission on their behalf. Personally, I don’t see any real difference between this sort of ‘belief’ and a mental illness. If an airline pilot claimed to be hearing voices …. (in his head – not over his intercom ..) well … I wouldn’t want him flying MY ‘plane!

  4. Where is LGBTory’s condemnation of this bigot’s homophobic extremism?

  5. Anything rational is an attack on religion as by it’s very nature religion is totally irrational.

  6. GulliverUK 20 Jun 2013, 5:44pm

    What purpose could saying prayers at a council meeting have? Most of the general public think it’s a stupid idea and should have no place – in fact people are deeply suspicious of driven worshipers and how they may circumvent our laws based on their religious beliefs, which is why we don’t allow religious beliefs to stop housing offers providing equal access to a gay couple, or for a register to refuse to carry out their duties, or for someone at the HMRC to process tax returns for people who’ve indicated they’re in a Civil Partnership. It’s the nutters like Offord who make people suspicious, and who damage the standing of all people who are religious believers. It’s also an affront to other faiths and atheists – because he basically means Christian prayer.

    1. Hear, hear. It is interesting to hear the views of religious people who don’t believe that their religion or its rituals should be privileged in plural democratic space. I have a French Muslim friend of Algerian origin who believes in French secular values (and gay rights!) who thinks that Islam is for the mosque and the home and that the motives of people who want to set up its activities in other, shared space should be viewed with suspicion. Ditto Christians, I say.

  7. “In a multi-cultural area like Hendon, the reading of prayers at council meetings is important to members.”

    Not all members.

    Pray at home before you come to work. No other workplace has prayers before they start work.

    Does he pray before he fills up his car, before he has a s*hit, before he sh*gs his wife, before he mows the lawn?

  8. Nobody needs to attack religion; it will completely implode because of its own lack or rational thought and a foundation built on fluid illusions. If it was so powerful and righteous as they claim, it would not be so week to need any defence. Defence is a sign of weakness.

  9. And religion poisons humanity… What’s your point?

  10. Civil liberty before religious bigotry.
    We’re not a theocracy. Keep your myths and fables at home where they belong.
    ‘Gay marriage’ isn’t an attack on religion, rationality, reason and scientific progress is an enemy to religion.

  11. “Same-sex marriage is an attack on religion. They want to make significant changes to the religious belief that marriage should be between a man and a woman.”

    You can believe whatever crap you like, you clearly do already. You may not however, impose your ridiculous beliefs on the rest of us. Keep your bigoted thoughts between your imaginary friend and yourself.

  12. Whinge, whinge, whinge … yet, for centuries, it was OK for them to persecute anyone who stood in their way. These people make me want to vomit. They simply do not like losing the power and priveledge they have enjoyed for too long. If religion vanished tomorrow – would anyone really notice – or care?

    1. Jock S. Trap 21 Jun 2013, 9:26am

      Yep and this is why they’re playing the victim where there is no victim. They’re not in control, esp over those of us who are not religious.

      They dictate but they are fighting a loosing battle. Sore Losers that they are.

  13. Robert in S. Kensington 20 Jun 2013, 6:13pm

    Oh f_ck off, Offord, delusional loon. He should stop trying to impose religion on the rest of the country and in Parliament. Not all of us are believers, christians and what not and neither are all MPs. Why should others have to be subjected to his chosen belief system. Religion has been attacking LGBT people for centuries and it hasn’t stopped. His statement that EM is an attack on religion is proof of it. Always playing the bloody victim card when things aren’t going very well for them.

    Oh how I wish the British public would rise up and demand disestablishment of the state cult, put an end to its power and influence once and for all.

  14. Which gods will the half-wit permit?
    Which planet is he living on?
    Does he get out much?

    Is he actually elected – or did he just wander in out of the rain?

    Can some one tell him that it is NOT 1913 and that there are other people than Christians about today.

  15. WrathOfGod 20 Jun 2013, 6:17pm

    Good man. He speaks sense. These homosexuals want their perversion sanctioned by society. They mustn’t be allowed to succeed.
    Homosexuals know in their hearts that what they do is wrong, which is why there is such screeching and fuming when normal people point out this blazingly obvious truth.

    1. Aguirre the teapot of Nod 20 Jun 2013, 6:21pm

      You are normal? Oh! For fuks sake you couldn’t make it up. Looney alert.

    2. It is blazingly obvious that you are a gibbering lunatic.

    3. GulliverUK 20 Jun 2013, 6:42pm

      You sound like Lord Dear !! :)

    4. Do you feel as strongly about adultery and divorce? Both widely condemned in the bible. Or is it just homosexuality that’s so emotionally charged for you?

      1. WrathOfGod 20 Jun 2013, 8:04pm

        I believe that re-marriage after divorce should be illegal, and that adultery should result in severe social opprobrium. I think it is a national disgrace that the alleged Christian Boris Johnson was elected Mayor of London despite his serial infidelity, and Prince Charles should NOT have been allowed to marry Camilla. The divorce rate in this country is disgusting. My grandparents’ generation remained married until death. Only 4% divorced in the 1950s. Labour’s mad 1969 marriage reforms should be reversed immediately. Would you gays be so keen on marrying if it was for life, and if reneging on your promise to stay together meant terrific public shaming and ostracisation?

        1. Beelzeebub 20 Jun 2013, 8:33pm

          We are indeed honoured.

          A swivel eyed loon in our very presence.

        2. Jock S. Trap 21 Jun 2013, 9:33am

          Wow, what a horrible world You live in.

    5. And yet your imaginary friend is no where to be seen. If your invisible little friend feels so strongly against gay people, why does he (I’m humoring your beliefs here) keep on creating them? Maybe he’s also in denial like all these public religious homophobes who, despite talking a lot of hate, keep getting caught with their pants down – usually in a dark alley with some rent boy-. And if he’s so powerful as you and your ilk keep claiming him to be, then let him speak for himself. But no he continues to hide behind his little fan boys like you. Of course the logical reason to this is because, wait for it…. he doesn’t exist outside your bigoted little minds.

    6. Jock S. Trap 21 Jun 2013, 9:28am

      What makes me laugh is the way that those religious who don’t agree and clearly on the losing side of this debate get nastier and nastier, and even more bitter.

      Bad losers!!

    7. Jock S. Trap 21 Jun 2013, 9:31am

      Also the fact you’re clearly are too stupid to realise is that it’s a majority of heterosexuals putting this bill through in support of the LGBT community.

      Shame you’re too blinded bu stupidity to see it.

  16. Oh dear. He has no idea what an utter fool he is. No compassion. Just superstition. Carry on banging your head against the wall, you twat.

  17. Captain Pugwash 20 Jun 2013, 6:18pm

    If I was a betting man, which I am not, the odds would be very short indeed that it is only a matter of time before “sailor boy” Offord is outed. ‘Attack on religion’ he’s seen nothing yet LOL.

  18. Sit down, shut up.

  19. The good will that David Cameron could have gained from his support of SSM is being whittled away by these clowns. It’s as if they are saying “Well we have lost the support of some of our traditional supporters, so let’s make sure we loose the support that SSM may have gained as well” It should be remembered that but for labour this legislation would not have got through. And I’m not a labour voter.

  20. Why do people of faith (of which i am one) NEED to be constantly pandered to in order to not feel attacked?

    I don’t need prayer sessions in council meetings to affirm my connection with deity. I don’t need to meddle in other people’s relationships and tell them who they may and may not love. I don’t need to break up families, I don’t need to attack people, I don’t need my faith to be law

    So why do Christians? Is their god such an insecure bully? Is their faith so weak?

  21. “Same-sex marriage is an attack on religion”.

    Well, presumably ALL civil marriages are an attack on religion as is divorce. Or the fact that we don’t allow non-virgin brides to be stoned to death on their father’s doorsteps, etc.

    No-one’s attacking your religious belief, Mr Offord. Only churches that CHOOSE to marry same sex couples will do so. People can believe what they want but we don’t all have to live our lives according to your beliefs.

  22. Chester666666 20 Jun 2013, 7:10pm

    Then why are so many religions like Quaker etc supporting it? Then why are so many religious people including Christians supporting it? He is paranoid

  23. I wonder how far his campaign to reintroduce prayers will go? I don’t imagine many people will be clamouring to support it.

  24. He’s hit the nail on the head with one point. ‘those of faith are made to feel like theres something wrong with them’. There is !

  25. ” Those of faith are made to feel like there is something wrong with them.”

    Because there really is something wrong with some of them in that they are determined to impose their religious beliefs upon other people through legislation, it’s called religious tyranny.

  26. “Those of faith are made to feel like there is something wrong with them.” – I think those of faith spend most of their life trying to make everyone, not just homosexuals, feel they are wrong and need to repent for something.

    People of faith are a little bit intellectually and emotionally immature, that’s all.

  27. John in Toronto Canada 20 Jun 2013, 8:35pm

    I can’t stand this constant argument that “polygamy is next”, “bestiality is next”… if humanity is circling the bowl in such a dire way, sexual expression is the least of our collective worries – nor will it abolish traditional marriage… EVER. People will still get married… ALWAYS. There will always be traditional heterosexual (majority) representation in the world. We all need to stop focusing on what people do with their genitalia so long as they’re not hurting anyone. Our biggest problem as a species, is the consumption of our one-and-only planet. Focus people… evolve and FOCUS!

  28. A majority of 106 at the last election. Make sure his bigotry amd attack in LGBT people is not forgotten by the time we come to the next election.

  29. GulliverUK 20 Jun 2013, 8:58pm

    He won his seat with a majority of 106, and given that the Tories haven’t exactly made themselves popular since they got in, this will be the end of his time as an MP, and thus … we don’t need to be concerned about him.

    He’s also as thick as s**t. The OLDEST recorded marriage laws come from 1772 BC, the Code of Hammurabi, almost 2000 years before the Jewish-based fringe cult called Christianity was invented. And because God hadn’t been invented back in 1772 BC, there was no mention of him in this code. Surprise, surprise the Bible ripped off some of these Babylonian laws.

    My advice to him … better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt. :)

    1. That’s true, and also the practice of marriage can be found going back much further than that too. It pre-dates all surviving religion, dare I see all religion with the exception of ‘animal gods’ worship, and gods of the elements like wind water and fire ‘gods’. Long before the Abrahamic god(s) were dreamed up.

  30. Mr Offord, our 44 year old action man -will get plenty of opportunity to finally create the family that good straight Christians should have with his newish wife – did it really help get those extra 106 votes, who knows – and the travel, particularly to those Arabian and Balkan countries he so enjoys, after the next election.
    Lets see how important procreation and prayer really are to him when he has time on his hands.

    1. A forty-four year old bridegroom? Hmmmm.

  31. lukefromcanada 20 Jun 2013, 9:21pm

    a belief is an opinion, and you have the right to have that belief BUT you have NO right to force those on others if they do not want it.

  32. ” EQUAL MARRIAGE ‘IS AN ATTACK ON RELIGION’”

    Actually no that’s untrue, however it could reasonably be seen as a challenge to religious privilege and a much needed one at that.

  33. “Religion” by default asks to be attacked.

    Its adherents use that to justify their martyrdom.

    A never ending dribble of whichever faith these people were forced into via their parents upbringing.

    Its extraordinarily boring seeing this sh!t time and again.

    Am I superior because I think religious people are thick?

    No.

    But I’m a much better human than them. because I think and have empathy.

  34. Hmmm… It seems to me that many religions are an “attack on equality”

  35. Christopher Coleman 20 Jun 2013, 10:59pm

    It’s all very sad, really. Offord must feel that religion is under attack every time an atheist or agnostic couple marry in a registry office.

    People like this help to clarify why a truly Christian country has never existed. The social requirement of Christ is that we love our neigbours as ourselves. The public comments from many Christians, even church leaders, indicates that these people do not love their neigbours. How can they? They have not even begun to respect them.

    1. And by default. Sh!t on the so called Christ they claim to follow.

      They are NOT Christians.

      Simply humans using their perceived understanding of their religion to put others down.

  36. Well duh, ofcourse its an attack on religion! This is the ONLY reason I let other men poke me up the rear and someday get married to one, to piss of christians! (and I’ve just un-autocorrected the capital c in christians, TWICE!) hahaha

  37. Oh? And what about the hundreds of attacks religion as made on equality? On women’s rights? On the rights of LGBT people? Answer me that, Offord.

  38. Religion is an attack on human rights!

  39. Helge Vladimir Tiller 21 Jun 2013, 7:56am

    Religion needs all possible attacks people can think of. Simply because all religions deserve that.

  40. Danda Panda 21 Jun 2013, 8:10am

    Saying the Earth is not a pancake carried by a turtle floating through the space is an attack on religion.

  41. Prayers should have no place in secular public administration, or any meeting or forum paid for by taxation. Hearing these people pray out loud in public is an oppressive experience for those who do not share their beliefs. Its a power trip, nothing more.

  42. Jock S. Trap 21 Jun 2013, 9:23am

    Another predictable bore.

    Not only am I sick of there this stupid non-argument but also sick of replying the same response so I won’t.

  43. OH SHUUUT UP! Offord, you fool!

  44. I question the “importance” of reading prayers, that this representative of the people insists.
    Those who believe what Offord said to be true, Will your human rights, will your day to day way of life actually be affected in any way because 2 men or 2 women somewhere else in the country, who you have never met or possible didnt even know exsisted, have got married. The religious folk dont seem to worry about gay couples in canada or france, or New Zealand or the other 12 countries in the world where same sex marriage is allowed and recognised! Surely if your so called faith is strong enough and the lord is truly omnipotent then this is not your fight, after all he looks down on people who use his name in vain. Let him do his work, you just get on with your own lives.

  45. I feel a bit sorry for the regular church going man or woman on the street. I really don’t think they have anything against gay marriage or anything gay and really would be quite happy if everyone was happy and living a rewarding life.
    The biggest crime in my mind is the few in religion who have jumped on this anti bed-hopping gay bandwagon and are making such a fuss about nothing. How sad for the majority who must now be questioning their religious values as their own religion is proving how it can be so bigoted and unfriendly towards the rest of the world.
    Any how, all this coverage about homosexuality is really great – how brilliant for all the young kids growing up today who now see that they don’t have to stay silent on their preferences and that being gay is no longer news!
    So a silver lining to every cloud – the more the bigots make a fuss the better life becomes for us. We win!! Yipeee

  46. Offord: “I think there is a genuine trend against religious practices. Those of faith are made to feel like there is something wrong with them.”

    He’s right on both counts, and quite right too. Secularism is the way forward for society. Religious belief all too often includes prejudices and interferes with reality, as in the case of people’s sexuality or the climate change debate.

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