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Labour MSP Elaine Smith: ‘I’m against equal marriage but don’t call me homophobic’

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  1. That There Other David 18 Jun 2013, 12:24pm

    They all see themselves as such victims about it don’t they? Bloody martyr complex.

    1. Presumably she is a christian?

      1. And presumably catholic -

        1. John Slack 18 Jun 2013, 2:36pm

          Why can’t these pious hypocrites accept that their religious convictions mean absolutley nothing to the vast majority of the rest of the population?

      2. For certain values of Christian. That Jesus chappie wouldn’t recognise her moral code…

        1. She will revel in the feeling of easy martyrdom, (not quite being thrown to the lions is it) But now that everyone knows where her true loyalty lies when it comes to the crunch she is best ignored.

          All people like this succeed in doing is vindicating the “new atheists” who claim that religion makes use of people like this to influence civil law.

  2. Stupid is as stupid does.

  3. bobbleobble 18 Jun 2013, 12:32pm

    If you don’t like being called homophobic then don’t act in a way which denigrates the LGBT community. Also, you believe you’re in tune with the wishes of your constituents. So that means you might no be right? So do your constituents matter or just what you hope your constituents believe?

    These poor politicos with these incredibly thin skins make me think they should be in a different career. If you are receiving genuine threats then go to the police otherwise accept the consequences of your actions and move on.

  4. Anyone who votes against gay equality is a homophobe. Simples.
    Although, having said that, I don’t believe Baronness Williams is a homophobe. Just deluded. I find her position on the “union”/”marriage” issue heartbreaking.

  5. I don’t agree that black people should have the same rights as white people, but I’m not racist.

    I believe that jews should not have the same rights as christians or muslims, but I’m not anti-semitic.

    And women should be not be treated equally to men, but I’m not a mysoginist.

    It worries me that some of these MP’s actually have power – she’s obviously stupid to not be able to see her own bigotry.

    1. Stupid almost certainly, but also so many of these bigots truly consider us lesser people. Depressing but true.

    2. Took me a moment then to realise you were giving similar examples, not stating your own ideas DOOYY lol Well i agree this is similar to these examples and people seem to find homophobia the acceptable form of discrimination when it comes to politics but not in public. This is the opposite of democracy!

  6. She’s a homophobe obviously, she’s akin to Klue Klux clan member , playing the victim, asking not to be called racist because of their views.

  7. Sister Mary Clarence 18 Jun 2013, 12:45pm

    “It is astonishing that a politician cannot represent the views of their constituents without being vilified and subjected to personal attacks.”

    No luvvie what is astonishing is that blinkered and bigoted politicians like you seriously believe that the electorate is stupid enough to believe what you are telling us.

    Fair enough if you want to stand up and say that because of long held religious beliefs you are voting against equal marriage, although you acknowledge that public opinion as a whole is in favour.

    Its honest. Stupid but honest.

    Every single randomly selected opinion poll is showing majority public support for marriage equality. I would like he to prove that she is in tune with the majority of her constituents.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 18 Jun 2013, 2:13pm

      Totally agree. Lord Anderson of Swansea and Lord Dear last night were reading the C4M script that the majority in the UK do not support equal marriage depending on which poll one is using. Anderson daringly said that few gay couples will take advantage of the marriage law once enacted. It’s truly astonishing where they get these figures and information from. He’s a nasty individual too. Elaine Smith is cut from the same cloth.

    2. John Slack 18 Jun 2013, 3:32pm

      She is representing the views of her church – not her constituents.

  8. If the cap fits love!

  9. So by predicting she will be accused of homophobia by being one makes her what exactly ? Oh yeah a homophobe.

  10. “I will be made to suffer for my views”

    How does she think she will “suffer”? Does she think she won’t be safe in her own home or walking home at night? Does she think she may be bullied at work? Spat at in the street? Thrown off a tall building? Stoned to death?

    She isn’t gay then.

  11. She is homophobic and we will be calling them that.

    She doesn’t believe she’s homophobic? Most bigots don’t – but it’s their victims that label them.

    And poor baby is going to “suffer” for her views? Yeah, if by suffer she means the people she’s trying to deny basic human rights are going to regard her as the bigot she is

  12. She is a practising Catholic.

    Enough said.

    See her comments here.

    http://www.equalmarriage.org.uk/support

    Nowt to do with her “constituents”.

  13. Poppy Rose 18 Jun 2013, 1:00pm

    Elaine Smith is in my opinion is using what she claims her constitutions want as a thinly veiled attempt at bringing her own personal view into the equal marriage debate and not those of whom she was elected to represent

  14. She clearly is a homophobe as her reasons for bieng against equal marriage are just the same tired old excuses – it’s redifing marriage, civil partnerships are good enough etc.

    She’s also just a coward who’d afraid of losing her seat, if it’s indeed true that a majority of her constiuents are against it – which I doubt.

    I think the fact the Scotland for Marriage meeting was held in her constituency has clearly rattled her, so she’s not taking any chances with her big fat salary.

    Disgusting woman.

    1. Strange how both the MSP and MP for this constituency oppose equal marriage. I totally agree. I think they both have been threatened with de-selection by the local constituency Labour Party. They are both ‘clinging’ onto their jobs rather than stand up for what is right. Coatbridge has the second highest percentage of Roman Catholics in any part of Scotland (60%) only beaten by Barra (which is Scots Catholic as opposed to Irish Catholic). The town has long been embroiled in accusations (often proven) of sectarianism including North Lanarkshire Council. I would like to see the Scottish Labour leadership take a really good look at the local ‘goings on’ here as questions must be asked.

      1. It would be good if questions were asked of Elaine Smith. She’s not only an MSP but a Deputy Presiding Officer, so it is fair to ask if her bigoted views affect how she can do her job. The Presiding Officer, Tricia Marwick, is also a catholic (although I admit I don’t know what her views on equal marriage or gay rights in general are), so it’s vital that we know that LGBT people are being properly represented in the Scottish Parliament.

        But I think there’s an atmosphere in Scotland at the moment in which anyone who questions anything remotely connected to the catholic church (opposition to equal marriage, catholic schools etc) is branded an anti-catholic bigot, so people are scared to speak out.

        She’s not the only bigoted catholic in Scottish politics, and this is what worries me. Look at Roseanna Cunningham, another homophobic bigot who’s in government in Scotland. These bigots get away with homophobia in Scotland under the guise of their religion and nobody questions it.

  15. Btw, I’ve just e-mailed the 3 Labour MSPs who represent me to let them know how disgusted I am with their colleague.

    1. I got a snippy reply from one saying “Elaine Smith is entitled to hold that view on equal marriage, that’s what a democracy is” and “I think you’ll find a majority of MSPs support marriage equality.”

      Of course the point in my e-mail comparing Elaine Smith’s homophobia to racism or anti-semitism and asking if she’d be allowed to hold such views was ignored.

      It seems that homophobia is still allowed to a certain extent in society today.

  16. Another vile homophobe who cannot bear to be called the thing she so definitely is.
    MSP Elaine Smith thinks she is covering all her bases by accusing people of attacking her for her prejudiced views before it has even had a chance to happen…what a sow.
    Yes, as you predicted you have now been labelled homophobic, now please do go ahead and do your suffering act like the faux martyr you truly are .

  17. li'l ol' me... 18 Jun 2013, 1:08pm

    Still not understanding that equality isn’t subject to the whim / vote of the majority then, Elaine? Tut tut! Back to Humanity 101 class for you then!! Must do better.

  18. Also, if someone is challenged because of their opposition to marriage equality, can it really be called a hate crime like it says in this article?

    Surely a hate crime is a crime committed against someone because of who or what they are – gay, black, disabled, catholic etc.

    If opposing bigots is considered a hate crime, then how are we ever meant to challenge them?

  19. JackAlison 18 Jun 2013, 1:14pm

    “I will be made to suffer for my views”
    Oh PLU-EEEEEZE
    walk a day in a gay persons shoes and you’ll know what it is to suffer.
    You might be spat upon, beaten up, have abuse hurled at you, be denied housing, be turfed out by your parents and freinds, suffer bullying at school and work, be drawn to self harm, contemplate suicide, have religious call ur whole existance a “disorder of nature” and the list goes on and on
    Yah baby you really will suffer!!!
    you pathetic piece of rag.
    If your a PUBLIC figure…guess what?you and your toxic views are up for scrutinty
    thats why you hold PUBLIC OFFICE
    dah!!!

  20. I’ve noticed the PN article doesn’t mention the fact Elaine Smith is a Deputy Presiding Officer of the Scottish Parliament, which the original Herald article mentions.

    I’m really not happy that a homophobe holds such a senior position in the Scottish Parliament. Would someone who’s openly racist be allowed to hold such a position?

    How can LGBT people have any faith in her objectivity knowing that she thinks we don’t deserve equality?

  21. “I would undoubtedly be verbally attacked and labelled homophobic. That prediction seems to be coming depressingly true”

    What does she expect? To be labelled “peacemaker of the year” for thinking LGBT people deserve to be second class citizens? You get what you give lady (also known as karma), and yes, she IS a homophobe – no doubt a conservative Christian too… It’s usually the case with homophobes.

  22. Jock S. Trap 18 Jun 2013, 1:32pm

    Prehaps she should see that opinion just doesn’t go in her corner. Just as she feels the right to keep people unequal in her opinion we have the right to label her a homophobe.

    She wishes us to be unequal therefore she is against our rights. They does mean you’re a bigot and quite possibly a homophobe. My opinion.

  23. How about asking the constituents.you are supposed to be representing – don’t just ‘believe’ find out what the majority want!

    I am against jumped up bigoted women who pose as contemporary and forward thinking and then go against the natural progression to vote against a proposal that could bring us closer to an equal society something all grass roots Labour voters strive for – Spineless Bitch!

  24. Back in the day Labour MSP Elaine Smith might equally have said :
    ‘I’m against interracial marriage but don’t call me racist”
    … and she would have equally believable.

  25. Robert (Kettering) 18 Jun 2013, 1:59pm

    Call yourself what you like Ms Smith but as they say; “if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it’s a duck”!

    You Ms Smith are a homophobe and a bigot so you better get used to the label. You’re no better than a racist.

  26. Robert in S. Kensington 18 Jun 2013, 2:06pm

    So by her deduction, the majority of constituents supporting a ban on divorce or registrars refusing to marry a divorced or even an interracial couple should also be supported by her vote for such a ban? Why aren’t such questions posited to her, in fact any MP or MSP for that matter?

    If she thinks CPs are about equality, then why isn’t she supporting heterosexual access to them?

  27. It is fairly simple – if you are not voting for equality you must be voting for discrimination.

  28. Does she even know what ‘homophobic’ means? Doubtless racist people don’t want to be called racist, either. As to answering for the views of her constituents and voters; yes, of course; so does the UKIP and the BNP. Elaine, you’re being homophobic.You are homophobic. If you don’t like it, don’t do it.

  29. Ms Smith

    1. Being ‘attacked’ on twitter is meaningless. Being beaten up and attacked because people like you continue to give bigots a respectable peg on which to attach their bigotry is what being attacked means.

    2. You have surely been in politics long enough to know that democracy is not dictatorship by the majority.

  30. David Walsh 18 Jun 2013, 3:17pm

    Elaine Smith, read my lips: you ARE homophobic. Opposition to equal marriage is a reflection of irrational bigotry.

    If it doesn’t feel very good to be a stigmatized social minority at risk of public ridicule, well, just imagine how bullied teenagers in your district of Coatbridge and Chryston feel when they find out that their MSP supports legal discrimination against them.

    1. Good comment – but she’s so self absorbed in her faith and in the knowledge that when she loses her seat – and lose she will – she’ll need to go back to teaching in a catholic school and the kudos of hate will be a plus on her CV.
      There are over a million people in the UK she’s denying equality because of her own selfish desires. Pray away it doesn’t make it right to hate.

  31. Ridiculous. Just saying ‘I’m not homophobic’ isn’t enough to prove that you are not. Show us in your ACTIONS, Ms Smith. Until you do that, I think we are all quite justified in calling a homophobe a homophobe, and the onus of proof lies with you.

    1. D/isgusting practices 18 Jun 2013, 4:26pm

      Would you call a politician who was against consensual adult incest incestophobic and expect them to prove they weren’t incestophobic by legalizing consensual adult incest?

      1. Incest is illegal for practical, medical, and psychological reasons. If you are to try that line, be smarter.

      2. any more stupid questions?

  32. Elaine, sweetie, you know just because you SAY something, it doesn’t follow that it’s TRUE.

    You can declaim and pronounce that you are not homophobic till you are blue in da face, but that doesn’t mean it’s true.

    It’s not what you SAY, it’s what you DO that matters.

    If you’re not homophobic, demonstrate it! Give homosexual people full equality, dignity, and respect under the law!

  33. D/isgusting practices 18 Jun 2013, 4:22pm

    Will the ho/mo brigade please stop misapplying the word homophobia.
    Homophobia is an irrational fear/hatred of homosexuality or homosexuals?
    Most that are disgusted by homosexuality don’t have a fear of homosexuality and they are not afraid of homosexuals?
    You really must stop confusing disgust with fear. You must also stop confusing hatred of the act with hatred of the person.
    Many people would be disgusted by /s/c@/t or consensual adult in/cest which, like ho/mos are victimless. Does this mean they have a phobia just because they are repulsed by what they find disgusting?
    In truth, there is a disproportioante amount of heterophobia on here since as soon as anybody condemns homosexuality, the ‘comments’ are aimed at the commentator and full o0f personal insult, abuse and expletive.
    You can’t accept that people have the right to be disgusted by homosexuality which unlike heterosexuality, is frowned on by many, is illegal in many lands, is contrary to human biological design.

    1. Yeah, I’m heterophobic – whatever that means?

      I would call murder, child abuse and war contradictory to human design, but it still doesn’t stop a huge number of people doing so, of which most, I’ll add, are straight.

      You’re wasting your on here posting your pathetic, twisted ramblings. Equal marriage will pass and the icing on the cake will be for me to stick two fingers up at the very people, like yourselves who have tried in vain to halt the progress of our rights.

      Victory WILL be ours – read it and weep.

  34. If she wants to have a debate then she needs to be a lot more forth coming than to site an indeterminate constituent response with no reasoning as to her views as to why she has come to a decision.
    It is her right not to engage in any such discussion and we can then only speculate as to whether this has anything to do with Catholic ideology or a homophobic or prejudiced viewpoint, misinformation or bigotry.
    Perhaps she could be a bit more open as to her thought processes on the matter – she is after-all paid out of public funds to maintain her position, and taking decisions on our rights and civil liberties.
    She is against equal rights for all our citizens and contrary to her assertion, civil partnerships are not equal, not least in pension provision for partners or portability beyond these shores and separate being inherently – not equal.
    I abhor personal abuse, but describing a position as homophobic or bigoted is NOT abuse.

  35. From her reported remarks so far, she is advancing a homophobic view point.
    As she has stated she is not homophobic, she has the opportunity to dissuade her detractors of this viewpoint and to explain. I’m sure the press will be delighted to distribute her discussion points. Just saying you are not a homophobe when to all appearances you are, will not make the cut Elaine.

  36. jonnielondon 18 Jun 2013, 4:41pm

    Yep, you’re homophobic alright!

  37. “It is astonishing that a politician cannot represent the views of their constituents without being vilified and subjected to personal attacks.”

    Yes, this is extremely surprising. This is probably the first time in history that a politician has been vilified or verbally attacked by people who disagree with them. I think we need legislation to make sure it doesn’t happen again.

  38. PennyPittstop 18 Jun 2013, 6:21pm

    Although Ms Smith states that she is voting against equal marriage in line with the wishes of the majority of her constituents she has in fact confirmed that she is voting in accordance with her own personal views based on her faith.
    She has tried to argue this point using an example of religious persecution i.e. Rev Brian Ross losing his job. She fails to see how inappropriate this example is when compared with a homophobic attack.
    It seems that she is lacking any form of analytical ability or a sense of the ironic.

    1. PennyPittstop 19 Jun 2013, 1:28pm

      UPDATE: I have just been reliably informed that the Rev Brian Ross was dismissed from his voluntary role as chaplain from Strathclyde Police not for his views on equal marriage but for his inappropriate behaviour. It seems he got a bit carried away with his own self importance i.e. turning up at police incidents without authorisation and wearing a fake police uniform that he had constructed himself!
      Elaine Smith is spreading mis-information and should be taken to task on this issue.

  39. Keith Elston 18 Jun 2013, 6:27pm

    Maybe she isn’t homophobic personally. But the only reason to vote against marriage equality is bigotry, so if she is not personally homophobic, she is, at the very least, serving as a mouthpiece for homophobes. Which is worse?

  40. She’s so self absorbed in her faith and in the knowledge that when she loses her seat – and lose she will – she’ll need to go back to teaching in a catholic school and the kudos of hate will be a plus on her CV – especially with the priest on the selection panel.
    There are over a million people in the UK she’s denying equality to because of her own selfish desires.
    Pray away, it doesn’t make it right to hate because of your given right to chose a deity.

  41. Colin (London) 18 Jun 2013, 9:56pm

    Elaine Smith….move the discussion and education on please. Do not give us It wasn’t my fault….mmm

  42. Widdershins 18 Jun 2013, 10:55pm

    Ahh, the good old ‘equal but separate’ arguement!

  43. floridahank 19 Jun 2013, 12:52am

    Being homophobic and being anti-homosexuality are two different concepts. They contain different psychological beliefs and not necessarily anything religious if you look at it in a rational, tolerant fashion.
    I’m not homophobic but am anti-homosexuality in much of the ways your pushing your agenda onto many spheres of our society. There has never been a medical/scientific that’s been accepted widely that says homosexuality is inborn and can never be changed. To this time, there have not been successful methods to reintroduce heterosexuality into homosexuality, but that doesn’t mean that in the future it will be worked out. I would hate to think a homosexual who wants to lead a heterosexual life is forever linked with ” you’re born that way and you can never change. It’s a psychological death sentence with no hope — that’s wrong!
    Progress is always being made in all avenues of human understanding

    1. floridahank 19 Jun 2013, 12:59am

      The above should read, ” but that doesn’t mean that in the future it will not be worked out.” And I believe there will be a major change within 10 yrs. in giving hope to many unhappy homosexuals who definitely don’t like their
      sexual thinking and behavior.

    2. JackAlison 19 Jun 2013, 3:35am

      “onto many spheres of our society.”
      XCUSE ME!!!!!
      same excuses used by anti semites and racists
      “our society”
      taka long look in the mirror
      and repeat after me
      I AM IN DENIAL

    3. “Progress is always being made in all avenues of human understanding”

      Judging by your other comments, progress has taken the bypass right around you and simply left you behind.

  44. I’m calling you homophobic, so there… blows raspberry.

  45. “I certainly don’t believe that I’m homophobic. However, I have no doubt that I will be made to suffer for my views on this issue and by voting against I will undoubtedly be labelled homophobic.”

    The evidence suggests Elaine Smith is playing the martyr, she was asking for what she later got from those she had already accused before they had taken any action, talk about a self-fulfilling prophecy

    Elaine Smith, you do not support equality you therefore do support inequality and discrimination, now please stop playing the martyr, you are fooling nobody.

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