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  1. dress up , walk down a street , dance a little and fingers crossed you might get a shag at the of the day.

  2. Much as I appreciate some of the comments the OP has made I believe strongly that pride is for all of us whatever political opinions we may hold. It should not be hijacked by any political party or movement to push their wider political agenda

    1. Do you think it’s OK to use pride to call for equal marriage? Because some queers are against equal marriage. I think we should embrace the political side of pride, not cower away from it.

      As an oppressed minority we should use pride not only as a way of showing each other and our oppressors that we will stand united but also use it to unite for the rights of other oppressed groups and against their oppressors. There are queer-specific challenges posed by austerity, just as there are challenges posed to other minorities and oppressed groups by austerity. We should use our platform to help give a platform to others too, bigotry is a common enemy of many groups and we stand stronger together.

      1. A queer person being against equal marriage is a mark of gross stupidity.

        When we have achieved marriage equality in the eyes of the law then the option is there to avail of it or not is for everyone.

        At the current time that is not the case.

        1. I agree, I’m not sure why you might think I don’t.

      2. I agree with lalocura, there are queer-specifc issues created by austerity and indeed issues for other oppressed groups. Austerity disproportionately affects those of us in need of representation and additional public support including public funds to help e.g. runaway teenagers and those who lose parental support and those who are discriminated against in employment and housing. Austerity hurts women harder as they make up a proportionally higher number of the part-time and casual labour force and are more likely to suffer domestic violence as well as suffering from discrimination. All of these and more are points which the Commnter could have raised in his article.

      3. The arguments for and against gay marriage are very much the issue of the moment and there are a lot of similar issues both here and abroad that need highlighting. It is just lazy politics to turn every gay political issue into a wider anti-government campaign. I know people on the left feel strongly and sincerely that gay people in this country are oppressed and desire and need liberation from an oppressive Tory regime. It is just the height of political arrogance to assume that everyone may agree with them on this issue. There are many in this country that feel continuous talking about “oppression” and “liberation” is more relevant abroad than at home. If this is a national event it should represent the totality of the gay community including those that wish to celebrate pride and not pursue party political objectives by hijacking pride. Pride should be inclusive not exclusive it is arrogance to assume otherwise.

        1. It’s not arrogant at all. It would only be arrogant if I thought only people who agree with me should make political points. I don’t think that – if people want to use pride to make an argument for why austerity is a good thing then I’m cool with that too. As long as the debate remains civil and avoids hate speech I don’t see the problem. Besides, what have political parties got to do with it? There’s a consensus amongst the three main parties in favour of austerity, it’s not just an anti-Tory point.

          It’s also a fallacy to pretend that silence on political issues is the same as being non-political. When you choose not to raise your voice on any given issue – for whatever reason you like – then *that* is a politcal choice in itself.

    2. Agreed. They should leech off someone else’s political momentum.

  3. I’d like Pride (regardless of where it is held) to have a common theme this year.

    Know Your Enemy would be the theme.

    And for people participating to hold a placard giving the name and picture of any local MP who opposed marriage equality.

    The recent House of Commons vote shows that over half the current Tory MP’s are hideous bigots who think we are 2nd class citizens.

    It would be useful to keep their names in the public eye to raise awareness of their support for apartheid. And to make sure these foul homophobes are not re-elected.

  4. What a ridiculous idea! Being LGBT has no relationship whatsoever to your beliefs about how the economy should be run, or if you are left wing or right wing. The ‘left’ leaning unions should stay clear of hi-jacking Pride for their own political ends!!! Pride is for people of ALL political persuasions!

    1. EXCEPT people who think LGBT people are 2nd class citizens deserving of less rights.

      Will LGBTory be participating this year.

      Will they be denouncing their MP’s who believe that the members of LGBTory are 2nd class citizens.

      If not then why not?

  5. Pride is theoretically redundant in a modern world of general mainstream acceptance in which most equal rights are secured and we no longer need to prove our worth.

    Still, I suppose it’s an excuse for a certain minority of exhibitionists to don their pom poms, sequins, tutus, harnesses and jock straps in order to make a right spectacle of themselves and to emphasise to the world that this is how gay people in general parade about.

    1. So long as those quisling Uncle Toms of LGBTory (who have yet to comment on the fact that more than 50% of their party’s MP’s are homophobic scum) are wedged between the Dykes of Bikes and the Drag queens then that’s A-OK with me.

    2. I would also venture to suggest that Pride marches are protest marches in all but name, and there does come a point when the mainstream public throws a collective weary sigh and utters in mass indignation:-

      “The gay community doth protest too much!”

      If some on here are genuinely concerned about the lack of rights in less forward-thinking European countries, partticularly in Eastern Europe, why not pre-book a cheap Easyjet flight and make a real difference by attending one of their marches instead?

      1. And if they’re so concerned about women’s rights in Saudi Arabia why not go there too? Maybe because they’ve got lives to lead, because they have to budget for things etc.

        For one thing take a look at bullying and the rates of suicide and mental health issues amongst queer people and get back to me about the whole “no longer needing to prove our worth” thing.

        It baffles me that so many people are hostile to the idea of public discourse. Why is it so hard to accept that in a democracy some people will want to use a platform to raise their voice? As long as they aren’t spreading hatred or intimidation or inciting violence, I can’t fathom what the problem is.

  6. People saying pride should be effectively a politics-free zone reminds me of the Olympics: “The Olympics are about inclusivity and not making political points, and these sentiments are brought to you by Adidas and McDonald’s.”

    It also reminds me of the people who say things like, “You may not agree with the war in Iraq but blame the politicians, not the troops” as though there could possibly be a war without the troops there to fight it.

    It feels like a growing number of public arenas are being tailored towards anodyne, apolitical “inclusivity”. To demand “inclusivity” – read neutrality, silence, shut-up-and-stop-making-so-much-fuss – is to by default support the status quo. The problem is in the status quo the odds are stacked against queers, women, ethnic minorities, disabled people and the poor. Pride is a tool we can use to agitate for the betterment of so many people, but by allowing it to become part of a conspiracy of silence it becomes part of the problem not the solution.

  7. It’s Pride season again. Isn’t it just the very best when people you despise are hating on one another hard and it all goes really Japanese monster movie three-way-battle? One can just sit back and watch the fur and feathers and wigs fly! The heterogays are (again) hand-wringing and pearl clutching about the party boys shaking their asses on local club sponsored/soaked floats. Apparently, the reason for their fretting is that this behaviour (captialism? dancing? stupidity?) is immature (they term it, “adolescent/too gay”). The real reason is that in their de-gayed version of gay life (meaning their life off Grindr), they wish to present an alternative spectacle: The Gay Minstrel Show! The Straight-gays answer?

    1. Instead of a once a year turning the LGBT “community” into a mindless and exploitative moving bar, we should all dress up in our Sunday best, hold hands with a bunch of lady-loving-ladies and march silently through a City Centre for more rights to marry in churches and kill other humans for our country. Mindless party boys, sanctimonious “Normals”, pinched agents of the Politically Correct Police. What a fuuuuuun crew!

  8. Pride means no disabled people in the safe space at the front

  9. Adam Thomas 19 Jun 2013, 1:30pm

    You do realise no one can understand what your saying because of your extreme lack of communication skills.

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