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UK: Government to decide on civil partnerships for heterosexuals by winter 2014

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  1. For mixed-sex couples, not just heterosexuals.

    Of course this was all in the original bill a decade ago before Labour decided to expunge that section…

  2. Robert in S. Kensington 17 Jun 2013, 12:59pm

    The hypocrisy of Loughton, Leslie and Wilson is so transparent. None of them would have campaigned for heterosexual CPs if there were no Marriage Bill. Loughton told me in an unpleasant email exchange that he supported it the time they were passed in 2004, yet there was no further campaigning by him or others and certainly not a sound from Leslie or Wilson prior to and immediately after the consultation for the Marriage Bill. All three are a bunch of disingenuous loons and shouldn’t even be MPs in my view.

  3. Colin (London) 17 Jun 2013, 1:36pm

    Robert you are right on this.

    I welcome this and hope it becomes law.

    The world has to move on from religion. It’s living in the past and separating communities.

    We need an inclusive diverse society so that everyone both contributes and gets the advantages of a balanced society globally.

    Most wars are about religion.

    If we put as much effort into finding common ground as we do using religious bigotry the people of this planet would not starve, would have clean water, education etc.

    Surely a policy worth thought and action…..?

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 17 Jun 2013, 2:01pm

      Yes indeed, Colin. Blair made a big mistake for legislating CPs for gays only. Had he included heteros, it would have probably taken the sting out of the opposition to Equal Marriage. In fact it would have made the case for inequality even stronger, but here we are, in the end stages of this Bill which will probably survive and get passed into law. We always do things in dribs and drabs in the UK, by slow and arduous increments.

      One other good thing which will come out of this Marriage Bill is the case for urgent Lords reform although my personal view would be to abolish it entirely, although it will probably never happen. It would be one way to get rid of the Church’s meddling in the political process though and transform the UK into a true democracy. Of course, it is the Church which has fomented all of the ugliness we’ve seen over the past year. I’m hoping that after the Marriage Bill has passed into law, renewed interest in disestablishment will get a major boost.

  4. WHY THE HELL DO THESE THINGS NEED TO TAKE THIS LONG

  5. I think there is a strong argument for Domestic Partnerships similar to the PACS in France. Domestic partnerships should be easy to get into and easy to get out of, and should give clear, basic rights in the event of illness, death etc.

    In the event of a dissolution, each individual’s property should be treated as their own, and there should be financial support for children only (not the other partner) But there should be a legal process to disentangle who owns what.

    I know many on PN disagree, and I may change my mind, but I wonder if CPs should be closed to new registrants.

    Why duplicate civil marriage? Will straight couples in a CP understand that when they go on holiday they likely have no rights? Will it be possible to introduce Domestic Partnerships while there is a risk of confusion with CPs?

    The only benefit to a CP is that it avoids what some see as the “baggage” of marriage. I’m interested to see how many people not in a CP will want one after marriage equality.

  6. Jock S. Trap 17 Jun 2013, 3:21pm

    Good, pleased to hear this.

    As Lord Fowler said, it was remarkable how many people sudden have suddenly been in favour of Civil Partnership since the Equal Marriage Bill since most didn’t vote for then because they didn’t believe in them for same sex couples.

    Wonder what differences the bigoted will want though?

    That aside I am pleased the government it showing this as it also goes against those who wish to use as a wrecking amendment.

  7. Just scrap them, they are of no use outside the UK and have an admin overhead that is costing us all.

    1. de Villiers 18 Jun 2013, 8:17am

      Choice is good for all. An entirely secular civil partnership for both gay and straight people allows everyone to choose a recognised, formal union without the historic, religious baggage carried by the word marriage.

      In France, 44% of straight couples who choose a union choose a PACS over a marriage. It is a more modern, completely secular alternative.

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