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Committee says UK Government did not consult adequately with the Church in Wales on equal marriage bill

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  1. yeah right , as though any church in the UK have been too shy or too timid to come out with comments on the bill…They have a direct line with govt, it’s not hard to pick up the phone!

    The govt have spent most of their time consulting with churches on the bill, I suspect they’ve spent far more time consulting with them than gay people.

    1. Bloody right John – (good name BTW same as me) – and beyond phoning – surely they have direct line to Dog err God – can’t tehy take their objection to him or her or it???

  2. Godric Godricson 14 Jun 2013, 12:14pm

    I agree with john on this one. Govt and the Churches don’t ignore each other. I would suggest that it is LGBTI people that are usually ignored. Remember, The former Archbishop of Canterbury,Rowan Williams, was the former Bishop of Monmouth (1992-2002). It seems laughable to imagine that the Church in Wales didn’t have friends at the top table?

    The problem encapsulated in this article seems to be that the Churches are having to fight to be heard rather than being the natural centres of power. I have no symapthy for the unelected, unaccountable theocrats!

  3. This sounds to me like frantic damage limitation. Perhaps the Welsh church fears it will be marginalised along with the C of E by being banned from conducting same-sex marriages and now seeks to avoid being ‘tarred with the same brush’ as its retrogressive neighbour. Personally, I wish they’d all just hand-wring themselves into oblivion. If organised religion vanished tomorrow, who’d really notice …. or care?

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 14 Jun 2013, 12:27pm

      I agree and whoever in the Welsh Assembly mentioned ‘incompletely disestablished’, may well be the catalyst in getting disestablishment on the radar in England too. It’s long overdue and needs to be discussed at the national level. We’re one of a very small handful of western countries on the planet with an established church. The Equal Marriage Bill has only made it that much more irrelevant when you listen to or read the ongoing spurious comments coming from the right wing religious loons.

  4. Robert in S. Kensington 14 Jun 2013, 12:22pm

    A very disingenuous statement. I remember quite clearly when Maria Miller addressed the issue and told the House that there had been detailed consultation with the Church in England and Wales throughout the consultation and after.

    This entire matter could have been avoided had disestablishment existed in the first place and passage of the Bill would have been a lot faster. Religion is what is holding up everything. I’m sick and tired of Government having to bend over backwards to accommodate these loons, a minority of unelected people who think they have a right to dictate who is entitled to a specific right to marry in a civil ceremony.

    http://www.LobbyALord.org

    1. Absolutely correct. It is an affront to democracy to have unelected landed gentry, bishops and government cronies blocking legitimate legislation proposed by our ELECTED representatives. They collect £150 a day just for showing up and another £150 for staying there for part of the day. They also get £45,000 a year in housing and travel expenses. There are 818 voting members of the House of Lords, of which about 701 are life peers, 92 are hereditary peers who sit in the House due to being elected by their fellows and 25 are bishops. A complete and disgraceful waste of OUR money. Democracy? Pah!!!

  5. GulliverUK 14 Jun 2013, 1:05pm

    Hang on, the Church of Wales said they were opposed to same-sex marriages, AND that they considered themselves to share some of the legislative characteristics of the CofE, and that THEY wanted the same legislative protections the government was going to give the CofE – so they asked for it. As it is, they, and the CofE, have only to ask Parliament for the right to conduct marriages for gay couples and Parliament will be able to make that change in law without any long drawn out process.

    The bill today takes in to account all their wishes.

  6. I can no longer read PN because of moving vertical adverts to left and right.

    Can they be immobilised as they kmake me dizzy and unable to reqad om.

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