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  1. That There Other David 10 Jun 2013, 3:23pm

    Here we go again. Banging our heads against the brick wall of dogma.

    1. Don’t miss excellent 2012 documentary tonight on BBC4 from 10pm to 11.30, called:

      “Mea Maxima Culpa: Silence in the House of God”

      Documentary about a campaign to bring Milwaukee-based Catholic priest Fr Lawrence Murphy to justice for molesting more than 200 deaf children in his school. The film reveals how the case brought to light secret documents within the Vatican relating to child abuse, and examines similar cases in Ireland and Italy. Featuring accounts of four of Lawrence’s victims who led the fight to expose the truth, with voiceovers by actors

  2. CH Brighton 10 Jun 2013, 3:25pm

    And where is their evidence for these claims? What they are doing is attempting to make the world fit with their prejudices. There is probably more evidence about the psychological damage done to children adopted by heavy-handed religious bigots than there is about any child brought up by a single sex couple.

  3. Does the same apply to straights bring up gay men and women then (sorry mum and dad)

  4. Michaelandfred 10 Jun 2013, 3:31pm

    Think of it this way. Every war, genocide, crime, inquisition, slave purchase, rape or murder throughout history; ever person sitting in prison or has sat in prison, all of these people were the children of heterosexual parents.

    What the hell can we do worse?

  5. I have a right to believe something without facts to back it up. I have a right to deny children as many loving homes as may be available. I have a right to ignore science. I have a right to ignore all leading medical and pediatric organisations. I have a right to ignore the law. I have the right to have this all respected and act as I please while continuing to receive funds from a society I refuse to serve as a whole.

    Wait. What? I don’t have that right?

    I sue you!

  6. ChrisMorley 10 Jun 2013, 3:40pm

    Published last week – the scholarly proof that this priest is wrong. Children raised by same-sex parents do at least as well or thrive compared with those raised by opposite sex parents. The “Australian Study of Child Health in Same-Sex Families”.

    1. It would be interesting if this research also mentioned the religious persuasion – or lack thereof – of the families in question, as well as their gender…It’s about time some decent research on the toxic effects of religion on society was done, starting at the level of the ‘family’ the bigots are always saying they’re trying to protect….

  7. Peter Robertson 10 Jun 2013, 3:41pm

    ‘Father White called upon supporters to take on the legal fight, describing the legal costs as “frightening”’.

    So, spending some infinitessimal part of the Catholic church’s disgusting wealth (on a case they’re bound to lose) frightens them so much that they try to con yet more money out of the sheep that follow them, rather than use their existing riches actually to help children.

  8. F*CK OFF!!

  9. Helge Vladimir Tiller 10 Jun 2013, 3:53pm

    I’m so tired of religious stupidity. I do think I’ll go and have a drink. Sun is shining in Oslo. Cheerio to The Lovely Gay Community in Britain ! We are victorious-

  10. It is the broken homes of heterosexual couples that these children come from!

    Stupid, stupid man!

    You’ve lost once already, and I am sure that you will again and I applaud the Scottish Charity Regulator has said that they could loose their charitable status. It is a shame that the English counterpart has not threatened the same.

    1. Didn’t the English charity regulator refuse to let Catholic Care (an adoption agency in Leeds) discriminate against gay people which led to their never ending series of unsuccessful appeals?

      1. I think so. If I recall correctly they were also told that they are not above the law of the land and it appears that Catholic Care have given up, for now.

        It will be interesting to see if this Scottish case is successful (which I doubt) will Catholic Care start trying again?

  11. Let’s hope common sense prevails and these appeals get nowhere. I also hope the Scottish Government won’t continue to support St. Margaret’s like it has done right up until now. Even when the charity regulator made their judgement in January and upheld it in March, the SG said they were disappointed. The Scottish Government need to firmly state whether they support religious bigotry or equality.

  12. “a terrible social experiment with children, treating them as commodities that people have a right to”…….


    It’s OK for them to be brought up by nuns and priests? It’s OK to spend charity money raised for kids on dogma and politics instead?

    If they do challenge this they have clearly stated where their priorities lie and it isn’t with the children.

  13. Jock S. Trap 10 Jun 2013, 4:09pm

    What a way to insult every same sex person… parent or not AND children of same sex couples… “a terrible social experiment”? Seriously?

    Such ignorance is surely what is not worthy to influence a child.

    Strip away the charity status, they do not deserve it.

    1. Never mind the rest of the world, they will still be calling it a “terrible social experiment” when Saudi Arabia and Iran legislate for gay marriages.

  14. The catholic church is the largest ever failed human experiment in history.

    It destroys everything it touches. Just touch the hem of it’s gown and you are soiled.

  15. David Jordan 10 Jun 2013, 4:19pm

    These are centers for Catholic indoctrination, nothing more.
    It makes me sick that a cult that treats its women as brood mares and who’s policies on reproduction are aimed at breeding herds of believes dare claim that we’re turning children into comodities.

  16. Because the catholic church is so short of cash, eh?
    If this place loses it’s charity status, which I hope it does, the church would sooner shut them down than pay what they owe. Which is such a tragedy.
    I hope some real charities are available and ready to fix the mess.
    Maybe if the church stopped turning the nation’s court system into a martyr factory, and actually displayed some of their alleged “christian virtues”. Like helping the poor and needy, and “giving to Caesar what belongs to Caesar”, as it were. Then they might get a little bit of sympathy.
    But as it is, the church desperately needs to learn that charity only counts when it is for the sake of charity, not when you’re threatening the futures of so many children in a pathetic and obvious attempt to score political points.

  17. Hit them in the pocket…charity my a**e

  18. Julian Morrison 10 Jun 2013, 5:10pm

    They’ll lose. I’m sure they know it. But they just want to kick the can down the road for as long as they can.

  19. Robert in S. Kensington 10 Jun 2013, 5:11pm

    Hmmm, a bit rich Father White, society embarking on a terrible experiment with children indeed. You should know more than most of us what your church has been doing with children for centuries.

  20. Those deluded Catholic cultists appear to be at it again. They went very very quiet after their Cardinal was disgraced for having forced himself on men in his care throughout his career as priest, bishop, and cardinal.

    But, true to form, they’ve shoved all chastening and remorse aside and once again are on their high moral horses, telling the rest of the world how things must be.

    Hopefully Catholics and others in Scotland will just laugh openly in their faces. As I do.

    Don’t miss the excellent documentary to be shown this evening on BBC4 about clerical sexual abuse within the Catholic Church. Starts at 10pm. Has been shown in cinemas in the USA and Canada.

    Urge all Catholics you know in Scotland to watch it. It might silence them again, for a month or so.

  21. There used to be two Catholic adoption agencies like this in Scotland: St Andrew’s and St Margaret’s. In 2008 St Andrew’s ditched its President (a certain Keith O’Brien – have you heard of him?), moved at arm’s length from the church and rewrote its constitution to allow same-sex couple adoption.
    St Margaret’s however worked with O’Brien (and collusion with the Scottish Gvt) to fight the perceived discrimination against their prejudice.—who-puts-their-best-interests-first

    1. You’re quite correct, rubisco. I’ve been following this story for 4 years, writing to MSPs and getting nowhere as the Scottish Government assisted St. Margaret’s in exploiting a loophole so they could continue to turn away gay people despite equality laws. The Scot Gov still supported St. Margaret’s as recently as March this year. We need to know their position on this.

      And well done to the NSS for forcing this issue.

  22. If it’s a social experiment, why has he decided the outcome from the outset? He’s full of hyperbole and no substance, the bigotry pours out of him and that’s the problem you face when your brain’s full of religion, you can’t tell which way is up.

  23. that these loveless bigots would rather see these poor, underprivileged children suffer the psychological damage of being passed from pillar to post at such a vulnerable and formative stage of their lives, than help them to find a loving home where they are wanted, cherished and nurtured makes me sick to my stomach.

  24. Christopher Coleman 10 Jun 2013, 8:18pm

    Just cancel their charity status and let them stick with their opinions. No need even to discuss the issue with them.

  25. GulliverUK 10 Jun 2013, 8:22pm

    If they can’t abide by the law and cater for everybody then shut down, simples. Other charities without the wingnuttyness are available and do a better job.

    Most Catholic charities in England + Wales just dropped their association with the Catholic church, who provided a tiny, tiny amount of funding, and carried on, putting the children first. The funds the Catholic church were giving to each charity was just a few thousand whilst the public funding provided is in the hundreds of thousands to millions.

  26. Really, the gall and hypocrisy of this particular denomination disgusts me. It’s a little late to be mouthing platitudes about LGBT parenting capabilities given the reprehensible, monstrous history of Catholic clergy pedophilia over the last century or so.

    1. No mention of Jamie Rennie the LGBT activist who campaigned against so-called ‘homophobia’ and for homosexuals to adopt children .

      Not to mention the first ‘gay’ couple to adopt in Yorkshire :

      Most clerical abuse cases involved adolescents – which makes it a problem with homosexuality , not with pedophilia.Anyone remember Tatchell’s letter to the Guardian 1997 ? (google it and see) :
      ‘Several of my friends – gay and straight, male and female – had sex with adults from the ages of nine to 13. None feel they were abused. All say it was their conscious choice and gave them great joy.
      ‘While it may be impossible to condone paedophilia, it is time society acknowledged the truth that not all sex involving children is unwanted, abusive and harmful.’ – cover-up ? Did he tell the police the names of the kids ?

  27. I have noticed in other articles relating to children some derogatory comments have been made by some in our community about parents and children. I certainly hope that these same people have not or will not have the audacity to comment on the RCC’s stand in this article. If you have or are going to perhaps you should think about joining a certain Scottish Cardinal in his retirement. I believe he is living on the Isle of Hypocrisy in the Casa di Shame.

  28. I really dont understand why churches are running adoption agencies ? should it not be the state and religiously neutral organizations that help find parents for abandoned or orphaned kids?

  29. Equality Network 11 Jun 2013, 9:31am

    You can read our response to this, in today’s Herald, here:

    1. It’s very good that the Equality Network are criticising St. Margaret’s publicly on this, although I also wish that the Scottish Government were criticised in the same way. The Scottish Government has helped and encouraged St. Margaret’s all along, and still support them as far as we know. No wonder St. Margaret’s are so gung-ho about it when they have the backing of the Scottish Government. The Scottish Government need to be made to realise that it’s wrong to support St. Margaret’s over this, by organisations like the Equality Network making it clear to them. I’ve been writing to all my MSPs about this for 4 years, but an individual is easy to ignore.

  30. On the other hand 11 Jun 2013, 10:25am

    Initially it’s possible to feel sympathetic to them, then you realise they are posing as victims because of their inability to continue to persecute gay people, and to consider that people who make excellent parents should be able to adopt regardless of whether they are gay or straight.

    1. yeah look what we say about you (take of the LGBT label blinkers for a second ) :

      They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

      Persecution eh ?

  31. Australian report cited by Chris Morley draws distinction between children brought up in lesbian households and those in male gay households and says you cannot extrapolate from one to the other. It says “To date there is no substantial research looking at the health and wellbeing of children residing from birth with gay male parents and conclusions cannot therefore be drawn about their health and wellbeing in this setting”. The report suggests that absence of a mother-figure might be more significant than absence of a father-figure. Sadly, too, children of same sex couples are more likely to be bullied and socially stigmatised. Those who say that we are carrying out a social experiment with children are therefore right. I support gay emancipation in all respects other than this one, and I am not religious – I just feel that children need a mother-figure and would need to see evidence that they are not harmed by not having one.

  32. Catholic adoption charity declares “Scotland on the brink of declaring illegal, the right of every child to have a mother and father”
    Don’t make me sick you hypocritical self righteous bastards. Tell that to the children of single catholic mothers, forced to give up their children in the 60’s ,in catholic run mother and baby homes, or the kids shipped off to Australia ,told their parents where dead when they weren’t. (Read the book entitled empty cradles) only to be abused and raped in Catholic run orphanages. Lets not forget about the thousands of kids that passed through the laundry schools run by catholic nuns…abused and raped by priests and nuns and sometimes never made it out of mental institutions because it completely destroyed them. What happened to their right to a mum or a dad or any decent human being that would have loved,protected and nurtured them. As a gay man, ex Catholic, who went through some of the above. The gay community need take take no lectures on parenting.

  33. In reality, I think these doctrinaire bigots need to be given something serious to complain about. You know – something more serious than not being allowed to disobey laws binding on everyone else. It is this – that NO organisation avowedly based on religious belief should be legally allowed to arrange adoptions. The welfare of adopted children is so overwhelmingly a matter of public interest that it should rest strictly on empirical considerations and not the lies and drivel inspired by supernatural belief. ANY supernatural belief.

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