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Gay Dean again tipped to be first openly gay Church of England bishop

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  1. Christopher Coleman 10 Jun 2013, 3:23am

    Let’s hope the tip is accurate.

  2. Kudos to Dr Jeffrey John if this eluded to appointment becomes a reality and this fulfills one of his career ambitions.

    If he becomes a bishop in the CofE will his voice or sexuality influence change, will he be able to open minds of such a heartless church to societies progressive evolution?

    Any career opportunity that required Dr Jeffrey John be celibate would surely violate the United Kingdom employment equality law. Such a requirement should be highlighted as an example of discrimination by law. Government should be accountable for enforcing it’s legislation to demonstrate as an example the CofE as an employer is not above the law!

    1. As the CoE does not allow for the possibility of women being appointed bishops, surely they’re exempt from many of the UK’s equality laws?

      1. @ Rehan. The following paragraph does not appear to support that theory.

        Bishop opposition
        Although the Act was never going to change the law from its existing position, or binding European Union law which covers many more Catholics than in the UK, and this position was spelled out in the High Court in R (Amicus) v Secretary of State for Trade and Industry[18] a small number of Roman Catholic Bishops of England and Wales made claims that they could be prosecuted under the Equality Act 2010 for refusing to allow married men, women, transsexual people and gay people into the priesthood.[19][20][21] The legislation has also attracted criticism from local Anglican clergy.[22] This claim has been rejected by the government. A spokesperson has said an exemption “covers ministers of religion such as Catholic priests”[19] and a document released by the Government Equalities Office states that that “the Equality Bill will not change the existing legal position regarding churches andemployment

        1. @ Rehan. sorry on a second review… the quote “the Equality Bill will not change the existing legal position regarding churches and employment” may be key to supporting your comment.

      2. Religious organisations have several broad exemptions in the Equality Act, allowing them to discriminate on the basis of sex, gender, sexual orientation, marriage/civil partnership, and religious beliefs, in a lot of circumstances where other organisations and individuals would not be allowed to.

    2. That should be alluded to. Eluded in this context means almost the opposite

  3. Enrique Esteban 10 Jun 2013, 7:42am

    PLS, SIGN TO SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE IN ROMANIA:
    http://www.petitieonline.com/vrem_parteneriat_civil_in_romania
    Help to sign: prenume=first name; nume=family name; oras=city; tara=country.
    You’ll receive a mail and have to click on 2nd link to confirm.

  4. Monmouth is not in the Church of England. It is a diocese in the disestablished Church in Wales. Does nobody check titles before publishing?

    1. The article is also incorrect to say that he “would be the first openly-gay Anglican bishop” as there have already been several in other countries, most famously Gene Robinson.

  5. Godric Godricson 10 Jun 2013, 10:32am

    Well spotted Degs! Church in Wales different kettle of fish entirely. Moving on a little…… I’m sure that The Very Rev Jeffrey John is a nice guy so why would he want to put himself in the firing line for this post? The poisonous creatures of the Church of England are still out there, ready to bite and just over the border. If appointment is what Jeffrey wants then I send him every best wish for his Episcopate.

  6. Robert in S. Kensington 10 Jun 2013, 12:52pm

    In a celibate CP? Who really believes that?

    Dr. Jon is echoing what is common practice among the Anglican branch of the Episcopalians in America, allowing individual bishops and clergy to perform same-sex marriages. The only way the CoE is going to evolve is if the Episcopalians threaten a schism. I only wish they would.

  7. Please note that Dr John would not be the first openly gay Anglican bishop. Gene Robertson of the Episcopal Church, every bit a part of the Anglican Communion, was the first to be so consecrated.

    1. Godric Godricson 11 Jun 2013, 10:21pm

      and we may ask what change happened in the Anglican Communion as a result ? Bishop Gene was effectively segregated from events and was ‘persona non grata’ (s/p?) around the world. Bishop Gene is a courageous man although the outcome of his Episcopacy is marginal.

  8. I assume that John’s celibacy is not his desire or his natural inclination, and is maintained out of “respect” for the church’s view on the matter.

    To each his own in that regard, but it seems to me that John cheapens gay sexuality, and its expression, by agreeing to discard it. And so I find myself mostly annoyed by him, and annoyed to be in any sense represented by him.

    I do agree, however, that his celibacy brings to the fore, and confirms, the pure bigotry of the church’s response to him: to pass up an otherwise perfectly qualified candidate due simply to his sexual orientation makes a fairly obvious statement.

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