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Former British Army Head Lord Dannatt: The equal marriage bill goes against what I fought 40 years for

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  1. May I remind this homophobic idiot that he is not an elected member.

    As a member of the armed forces, you are there to uphold the rights of EVERY citizen of this country. There are no exceptions to this.

    If you don’t like something that is making its way through the parliamentary process, then I suggest that you leave the Lords immediately.

    1. Good point – it’d be interesting to know just how Dannatt reconciles his appointment with his zeal for democracy.

    2. this homophobic idiot has been fighting for queen and country when most of PN readership were in nappies. As for speaking against things you don’t like that is what our parliamentary democracy is meant to allow for yet sadly with reference to Lord Dannatt’s remarks is being abused by those in power.

      1. He is not a member of our “parliamentary democracy”, that is in the House of Commons. He is appointed not elected to our undemocratic upper house.

        So for him to talk of an abuse of process is laughable.

        He is making this an issue of democracy, mentioning all the democratic freedoms he fought for in the rest of the world while fighting against his own democratically elected government here at home. None of that is logical or makes any sense so what is his real reason for opposing the measure? Could it just simply be that he is a bigot?

        If he is so concerned about democracy shouldn’t he be campaigning for an elected upper house? When he starts that campaign I will take him seriously.

    3. John Clark 4 Jun 2013, 10:12pm

      Why is it that whenever anyone takes a contrary view to the gay lobby they are denigrated as “homophobic”. It is possible to hold Lord Dannet’s views without being homophobic. I’m all for “equality” but not for “sameness”. By all mean afford gay people equal rights but don’t force us all to be the same. The imposition of “sameness” will create more intolerance not less.

      1. because they are……………..simples

  2. Beelzeebub 4 Jun 2013, 2:19pm

    This “debate” really is dragging the sh!t out of the mire.

    Hang there heads in shame.

  3. Awww boo hoo, grow up Dannatt.

  4. onesecond 4 Jun 2013, 2:38pm

    So it was wrong to fight the nazis then? Or what does he say? Such a tool. Goebbels would be proud of him.

  5. Paula Thomas 4 Jun 2013, 2:39pm

    Then General, you faught for the wrong thing.

  6. Wasn’t this man in charge of the army during Blair’s time? Blair ordered him to invade Iraq which broke international law, & he did so.

  7. Hitler and the Nazis slaughtered 55,000 homosexuals in the most cruel manner imaginable.
    Lord Dannatt should take another look at what he thinks HE was fighting for.

  8. Robert in S. Kensington 4 Jun 2013, 2:51pm

    Oh yes, he was fighting for bigotry.

  9. “Lord Dannatt said: “I believe that the process of this Bill to date has been tantamount to an abuse of process”

    So what is this ‘abuse of process’? Did you not fight for the freedom for British people to be free to be who/what they are?

    Sounds suspiciously like homophobia.

    1. Don Harrison 4 Jun 2013, 6:09pm

      Well said. The freedom that the country has mean that we are not restricted by twits like you

  10. What about it is an abuse?

    As for being rushed through – how long has marriage been around and how long have gay couples existed.

    We’ve waited 1000s of years. You’ve had that long to think about it.

    Well over a year has passed since they they announced that the bill would be put to parliament, so how much longer should it take?

    Idiot.

  11. “The equal marriage bill goes against what I fought for 40 years ago”

    Such as freedom and equality? These are the values that we are told the British army fights for? Has it all been lies then?

    1. Stephen Mole 5 Jun 2013, 10:49am

      What more to add.

  12. Keith Evans 4 Jun 2013, 2:55pm

    Stupid old fart! So he spent 40 years of his life making sure that gay men and women couldn’t have recognition or get married. Well I’m ex Army and I’m pretty sure that there are a lot of men and women in the forces who will be more than pleased if the marriage Equality Bill goes through, because there are more gay men and lesbians in the forces than he thinks there is and were. Grow up you stupid bigot and move on. You’re not elected to where you are now and damn well should have been. It’s not YOUR personal beliefs that are required here it is EQUALITY BEFORE THE LAW!

  13. Will Nelson 4 Jun 2013, 2:56pm

    The opposition keeps using the word ‘democratic’ an awful lot. I don’t think it means what they think it means.

  14. Alex McKenna 4 Jun 2013, 2:58pm

    I assume he was fighting for the other side and Adolf Hitler, with the Nazi Army. Amazing how he got to join our side after the War though..

  15. Robert Cuthbertson 4 Jun 2013, 2:59pm

    Guess bigotry and hatred were worth fighting for in your world..eh?

  16. Jock S. Trap 4 Jun 2013, 2:59pm

    Really… I thought he spent 40 defending our freedoms…. Freedoms Lord Dannatt.

    But I guess you mean Freedoms to certain people. Why to insult all LGBT people both serving or not. Considering most wars are religion motivated I think this is a bit of a cheek.

    Stop using this debate to show you discrimination and stick to the issue.

  17. Helge Vladimir Tiller 4 Jun 2013, 3:03pm

    A COMMON mind makes many mistakes.

  18. Robert (Kettering) 4 Jun 2013, 3:08pm

    Cheek of the man to say: “…I am asked to accept an abuse of the democratic process…”!?

    Excuse me Mr Dannatt but YOU are an ABUSE of the democratic process you UNELECTED homophobic bigot. How dare you talk about democracy when ELECTED MPs, in a free vote, overwhelmingly backed the Bill. You, on the other-hand, are totally UNELECTED and your role in the HoL is to revise Bills that have been passed by the elected House of Commons.

    This makes my blood boil with rage and proves it’s time we abolished these appointed Lords and had a totally elected Second Chamber.

    End of hissy fit!

  19. I didn’t realise the armed forces were trained to defend bigotry and inequality overseas.

    This guy needs to look again at what the army is actually for. It’s certainly not to lobby parliament for the right to keep some people second class citizens.

  20. UglyGeezer 4 Jun 2013, 3:13pm

    Ahhhh yes. The Great war against the gays.

  21. I also own a coat with shiny brass buttons, but somehow that doesn’t give me the right to tell other people how to live….strange that.

  22. Nutjobsareeverywhere 4 Jun 2013, 3:19pm

    What? Freedom and eqaulity ?

  23. I didn’t know he fought for Nazis?

  24. Amazing the number of stupid people who are appointed to the House of Lords.

  25. Not surprised considering the man once said the British Armed Forces were, and ought to be a Judeo-Christian organisation.

  26. Liam the God 4 Jun 2013, 3:41pm

    Really? 40 years? I thought the Cold War was about FIGHTING AGAINST OPPRESSION! NOT about allowing some senile bigot to preach about how being gay is evil, immoral, depraved, or whatever!

  27. That There Other David 4 Jun 2013, 3:42pm

    I’ve yet to meet a single member of our armed forces who signed up to fight for Parliamentary process.

  28. The dear Lord has spent 40 years of his professional life upholding denying being in the closet, perhaps …

  29. So, Mr. Dannatt, we gays and lesbians equate in your mind to Irish terrorists, to Argentinian invaders, and to eastern-block communists.

    Thank you.

    You have made your position clear.

    We are your ENEMY.

    I think YOU should be ours.

    1. That There Other David 4 Jun 2013, 5:51pm

      It’s quite clear everyone who doesn’t think and act exactly like Lord Dannatt are enemies in Lord Dannatt’s mind. Not a particularly pleasant person all in all.

  30. What a load of TRIPE!!!! And a load of TRIPE from a silly ignorant old duffer – if he doesn’t know by now what he fought for he’s a disgrace to himself and to the uniform and his fellow soldiers!!!

  31. The Halcyon 4 Jun 2013, 3:49pm

    I’d have thought he fought because he was extremely well paid and wasn’t put out to pasture by the OBN.

  32. Democracy !! the man doesn`t know the meaning of the word. The HoL is the one part of the British parliamentary system which is not democratic. Since he was appointed, not elected. Since he holds position from some ancient feudal system, which should have been abolished along time ago. Replaced with an elected house. Some people should keep their mouths shut and just appear stupid, rather than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

  33. Robert in S. Kensington 4 Jun 2013, 4:01pm

    It’s a two-way street Lord Dannatt. Gay men and women serve in our military and sometimes die in action defending your right to be as bigoted as you wish and yet are still not fully equal in their own country, you vile hypocritical bigot.

  34. Georg Friedrich 4 Jun 2013, 4:05pm

    Sad: very handsome men, once. However, its very sad indeed, that most generals, officers and another members of the army (or police) still are more or less homophobic. Same situation by us in Germany too. on the paper gay people can serve as professional members of the armed forces (because all young men must serve one year in the year until abolition of this duty 2010, Germany never had its own “Don’t ask”, even when gay sex still was crime under Prussian paragraph 175, until 1994) and even live together as a couple (since 2002; since 2010 gay couples in the civil partnership became same rights and benefits under internal rules of the army and Defence Ministery), but reality is a bit another: secret discrimination, mobbing and climate of not total acceptance.

  35. .....Paddyswurds 4 Jun 2013, 4:11pm

    This homophobic bigots time in the North of Ireland will go down in history as the most anti democratic racist and violent in the entire history of Englands involvement in Ireland. more people were jailed illegally and held without trial during his term than at any other time in the entire 35 years. During his time his forces colluded with loyalist death squads who murederd lawyers and others in their beds in the middle of the night. I myself was informed by his men thaat my brother and i would be charged with the killing of British soldiers even though we were being held at a checkpoint at the time of the bomb as we were for 2 hours before and three hours after. If they weren’t able to fit anyone else up for the killing we would be next in line. Fortunately they caught the culprits. This homophobic racist bigot should be spending retirement in prison, not dictating political policy to a democratic government!!

  36. RedDevil9 4 Jun 2013, 4:44pm

    Seeing the old farts in the House of Lords debating this reminded me of that old film of a party political broadcast for the National Front, the old man with the handlebar moustache, ‘I fought in the war for my country…’ Blah blah blah.

    Yeah, so did many others who didn’t grow up to big bigots.

    When archaeologists dig up these idiots’ bones in a few thousand years time, they’ll name the species the Toryignosaurus

  37. Funny my grandmother fought in WW2 as did many other members of my family and I can say unequivocally that this is exactly the sought of thing they were fighting for.

  38. Maybe someone needs to remind Lord Dannet of a] the Constitution and b] his Oath ‘I-S-that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty,Her heirs and successors and that I will as in duty bound, honestly and faithfully defend Her Majesty,Her Heirs and Successors in Person,Crow and Dignity against all enemies and will observe and obey all orders of Her Majesty,Her Heirs and Successors and of the Generals and Officers set over me’. That includes the Government of the day and the decision of Parliament

    1. sorry ‘Crown’, not crow

  39. George Broadhead 4 Jun 2013, 5:28pm

    It should come as no suprise that Dannatt is a devout Christian

    To quote from Wikipedia: “Dannatt, a devout Christian, was pointed to two Bible verses, which prompted him to believe that his commitment to his faith had thus far been “half-hearted” and inspired him to make a greater commitment which, according to his autobiography, ‘helped define who I then became, both as a person and as a soldier’. Dannatt later attributed surviving his stroke and several other near-death experiences—including the incident for which he was awarded the Military Cross—to a challenge from God to “devote his life to Christ”.

  40. Art Pearson 4 Jun 2013, 5:29pm

    I would have thought he spent 40 years of his life upholding freedom, not bigotry Soldiers fight for everyone, not just a select few..

    1. Well said and some were gay men too. X

  41. Don Harrison 4 Jun 2013, 6:03pm

    Lord Dannatt: The equal marriage bill goes against what I fought 40 years for.
    He is wrong, he fought for freedom against people like people with your views.

  42. Yet another f’ing prick who thinks he’ God. Sod off.

  43. This twat Dannatt stated that “God” had saved him 3 times:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1532803/God-saved-me-from-death-three-times-says-Army-chief.html

    Note carefully, he was “saved” when men around him were killed. Wonder what he said to their widows afterwards? “Oh I ‘m all right Jack, “god” looked after ME. As far as your man goes, god must have thought “f*ck him”.

    Absolutely outrageous that someone whose head is full of superstitious BS should be in a position responsible for peoples lives in combat.

  44. From across the pond from one who truly admired Churchill’s use of empire during WWII, I can only opine that it is daft lifelong dementia like this that has crashed the British Empire.

  45. Dispicable comments from a dispicable man! What a kick in the teeth for those serving gay members of our armed forces to hear this sort of homophobic war era comment!

  46. I see pink news has cherry picked his statement. He seems to attack the process witch same sex marrige gas gone through and not about the morality of this bill. HOWEVER he is a twat for his statements context.

    Typical commisioned officer upper class hot head.

  47. James Campbell 6 Jun 2013, 12:05am

    Baron Dannatt never fought against the third Reich – he was born in1950 and began his army career in 1971 as a platoon commander in Belfast . He later served as a a commander of the 4th Armoured Brigade. He has also commanded British forces in Kosovo. & Bosnia. Most recently he has served in Iraq and Afghanistan. and became Chief of the General Staff in 2006.
    He is now the honorary Constable of the Tower of London.

    When he talks about what he fought for 40 years ago, I would have thought that his experiences of warfare would have impressed on him the value of ALL men irrespective of issues such as sexuality. He has been active in the charity “Help for Heroes” – may I remind him that many heroes throughout history were gay?

    1. Jonathon Brackenbury 10 Jul 2013, 10:18am

      Dannatt is also a senior figure in the Royal British Legion and other Service Charities…LGBT Rights are not on their agendas.

  48. Lord Dannatt simply doesn’t like gay people and thus in his own mind he cannot deal rationally with the equal marriage bill. He rakes up his career as a reason to justify, in his opinion, why the bill should not proceed. By doing so, he is displaying extreme self-importance. What he’s really saying, between the lines, is: “Don’t you know who I am? How dare this bill proceed against my [bigoted] beliefs”!

    The only way to bring this bigot down a peg or two is to abolish the House of Lords – an establishment which enables him to publicly spout his ignorant and self-important beliefs for the rest of his life. If there were no House of Lords, Dannatt would disappear into obscurity where he belongs.

  49. PeterinSydney 6 Jun 2013, 1:24pm

    In that case you have just wasted the last 40 years you old homophobe. Go back to your medieval cave.

  50. Christopher Hobe Morrison 8 Jun 2013, 1:40am

    I hereby dub him LORD DAMMIT!
    Well it turned out okay didn’t it?

  51. David Skinner 28 Jun 2013, 10:07pm

    Respect Respect Respect please for a a real man; whist you are able to do it willingly. For sure as as anything one day you will be forced to bend the knee to righteousness, purity and justice and then it will too late.

    I tremble for you all. The Lord is coming back and you had better be ready.

  52. J Brackenbury 10 Jul 2013, 10:13am

    Lord Dannatt is also a senior figure in not only the Royal British Legion but many other Service Charities….LGBT Equal Rights do not figure highly in the world of Veterans Support !!http://armedforcesabusecampaign.weebly.com/

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