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Earl of Arran: Equal marriage could lead to a ‘decadent’ Britain that ‘flaunts’ homosexuality

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  1. Michaelandfred 4 Jun 2013, 2:26pm

    Has he not left his castle for the past 20 years?

    1. He should come visit Canada. Equal marriage has been the law for seven years. Not much has changed, and the only people living a decant lifestyle are the politicians and business leaders. The only difference is that people are free to be with those they love.

    2. de Villiers 4 Jun 2013, 6:55pm

      I can see no relevance to the repeated mention of this person’s land and castles. Would his wealth make him any better / worse if he were supporting the bill?

      1. Apart from the fact it is all derived from past corruption and toadying by his ancestors to previous monarchs which got him his unelected vote in the house of lords today, like the majority of the old hereditary peers.

        Or is he a self-made millionaire? In which case I agree with you?

        There is a big difference when the person concerned is discussing decadence while owning 45 properties.

    3. Pointing up his wealth indicates how completely and utterly out-of-touch with reality this tw*t is. He is stuck in upper-class England of the 1930’s. He epitomises why the House of Lords should be abolished. He and his ilk are a disgusting reminder of how we colonised the world … because we could, through military power and wealth. We were a nation of bullies and this man represents that bygone, shameful part of our past.

  2. Beelzeebub 4 Jun 2013, 2:27pm

    Are these so called “Masters” of ours so uneducated.

    “The Roman empire fell for three reasons. There was the worship of sporting heroes, widespread corruption and the decadence and flaunting of homosexuality. I fear that in this country we aren’t too far from being decadent.”

    The reasons for the fall of the empire include military overreach, invasion by emboldened tribes of Huns and Visigoths from northern and central Europe, inflation, corruption and political incompetence, something people like him should know about all too well.

    Sporting hero worship and Homosexuals are the cause!

    What utter made up rot.

    1. The Roman Empire also fell because of the huge quantities of harmful metal absorbed into the brains of the wealthy who drank wine from jugs made of lead. The Earl of Arran meanwhile has no excuse for his totally mad beliefs – except perhaps centuries of in-breeding between chinless wonders.

  3. It could scarcely be worse than his fellow flaunting his stupidity.

  4. I think, off the back of the equal marriage bill being passed, we should collate these ridiculous (and sometimes offensive) heridatary peer comments and use it as evidence to remove them from the House of Lords.

    Totally unacceptable to talk about gay people ‘flaunting’ their sexuality, as if it’s automatically something to be ashamed of, never mind the fact that linking it to equal marriage being legalised is completely absurd.

    These people are so ignorant they can’t even think of ways to hide their homophobia; it just bursts out of them uncontrollably.

    It’s probably been just under the surface of their consciousness all along, festering away all these years, and now they’re being asked to address an inequality for gay people, they can’t stop themselves spewing it all out.

    Whoops…got a bit carried away.

    1. Midnighter 4 Jun 2013, 5:00pm

      I actually don’t think you are too far from the mark James. Much of what has been said here has couched vile sentiment in worse language. In any truly equal society a good number of these speakers should be facing charges of hate speech, let alone be allowed to “serve” in such an influential capacity.

      If such views or use of language were expressed in this manner the workplace, we all know many of these individuals would be facing disciplinary proceedings at the very least. If it is unacceptable in the workplace, neither should it be acceptable from those ostensibly leading the country. The lack of accountability further demonstrates how this House is an impediment to true democracy.

  5. Decadent, how very dare you Lord Arran?

    Time to abolish the House of Lords and establish a democratic alternative.

  6. Robert in S. Kensington 4 Jun 2013, 2:48pm

    Oh for pity’s sake, shut up, Lord Arran, but thank you for making Equal Marriage that more relevant and passage into law.

  7. Har Davids 4 Jun 2013, 2:54pm

    Isn’t living on inherited wealth a certain sign of decadence? This man’s ancestors somehow managed to acquire land and wealth, undoubtedly in a very respectable manner, and passed it on to their descendants, who haven’t done a day’s work in all of their life. BTW, corruption and sleaze you can find in abundance in politics.

  8. onesecond 4 Jun 2013, 2:55pm

    You call yourself a democracy dear UK? Get rid of the house of lords!!! This is an insult to bright people!

  9. Why are we still governed by these hereditary peers? There are still 90 of them left, out of 700 ‘lords’ . We are suppose to live in a democracy. So wrong.

  10. bobbleobble 4 Jun 2013, 2:57pm

    And he should know about decadence living on a 5000 acre estate.

    Not that I’m linking the two events but Rome actually fell around 70 years after Christianity was adopted as the state religion for the empire.

    Perhaps reading a little history before claiming to know anything about it might be helpful.

  11. “…But at the time he said he very much hoped as a result there wouldn’t be any ‘flaunting’ of homosexuality.”

    Hey, if you’ve got it…

    What did he imagine we’ve been doing for the past 46 years?
    Discussing football, lager and ‘birds we want to shag’ in a VERY DEEP GRUFF VOICE?

    For the 2 millionth time marriage has nothing to do with having kids – they’re an optional extra like having a sunroof on your car.
    You can spawn as many kids as you like but if your spouse is a waste of space, your marriage is in trouble.

    1. Whatever you and I think about his ridiculous opinions, making irrelevant comments about his hereditary status and his ownership of 5,000 acres is bad journalism of the tabloid variety. Let his comments speak for themselves without stirring up “class warfare issues”. His appalling opinions are shared by many across all sections of society. Landownership is not a prerequisite for ignorance. We should request a better standard of journalism, aimed above feeding politico trolls.

      1. Hang about – I never mentioned his hereditary status once!
        Is this a reply to my comment above or just a general observation?
        Just seems a bit of a non-sequiteur right here…

        1. Sorry it was meant as an observation on the original article. I have not posted here before

  12. Not a decadent Britain. A more mature, honest and open Britain.

  13. This is a perfect example of why we got rid of hereditory peers. In-bred to extreme stupidity.

  14. Do these people have no shame? I’d be embarrassed to be so ignorant and downright stupid.

    Now I’m just going to practise my flaunting so that I’m ready when EM is finally passed. I may also destroy a few civilisations if I have time before dinner.

    1. Is flaunting the same thing as flouncing? I tend to get them mixed up ;)

    2. Both are good, Flapjack :D Preferably at the same time. Flaunting AND flouncing means double the power, you see. The whole world will be ours before we know it ;)

  15. Robert (Kettering) 4 Jun 2013, 3:18pm

    This parasite has absolutely no right to have a say in how the LGBT live their lives. He’s unelected and only there because his ancestors were able to keep the poor downtrodden and in there place by Royal Patronage. A real scumbag and a throw back to medieval and feudal times.

    Finally, I take great offence when he says: ‘flaunting’ of homosexuality”! How dare he. A bit like saying to a Black man that he objects to his black face or a ginger person their hair colour. Totally irrational argument from this homophobic, parasitic, bigot.

  16. Helge Vladimir Tiller 4 Jun 2013, 3:24pm

    Build a huge “Gay-Palace” on Your 5000 acre estate, with swimming pools- restaurants- cinemas- relaxing areas and so on. Donate this Palace to people who have been fighting all their lives just for the right to be themselves. YOU know who I’m aiming at-

  17. Chester66 4 Jun 2013, 3:24pm

    In my history classes zero was mentioned about homosexuality leading to Rome or any other country’s fall

  18. A hereditary peer – he’s nothing but the descendant of a successful thug!!! He’s done NOTHING to earn his place in the legislative process, he’s only there by accidently being his father’s son! That is NO qualification!!

  19. Georg Friedrich 4 Jun 2013, 3:53pm

    Very sad, that many old aristocrats (not just in Britain) still are very homophobic. Same story by us in Germany too.

  20. It’s better than “flaunting” your homophobia!

  21. Fall of the Roman empire? It had nothing to do with the hoards of Germans looting there way across the empire? Or generals/aristocrats/patrician families bringing the empire to its knees with fighting, squabbling and coup attempts? ..nope it was because of us! IDIOTS!!!!!

  22. That There Other David 4 Jun 2013, 5:03pm

    Oh dear. Looks like the Earl didn’t pay much attention in history at school doesn’t it? Mind you, with a guaranteed inheritance that size he probably believed he didn’t need to.

    1. He was probably otherwise engaged ‘fagging’ for the older boys at his expensive public school and missed the history syllabus.

  23. Robert in S. Kensington 4 Jun 2013, 6:46pm

    Flaunting our homosexuality? What does he think the Tory hetero adulterers in both Houses are doing then? Holding hands and kissing in public is just as much about flaunting and shoving their sexuality down our throats on a daily basis, arrogant, ignorant loon.

  24. As someone whose major essay this term is about the construction of homosexuality in law, I’ve read Hansard about what the 8th Lord of Arran said. He was the bill’s sponsor and in 1965 said: “We talk uninformedly about the empires which are said to have crumbled because of this appalling vice. As a classicist, I hope that no one will tell us to-day that Athens fell because of sex perversion. It is not true”.

    Pity his son didn’t learn much from him!

  25. Why isn’t flaunting heterosexuality decedent? His statements have proved his homophobia.
    I agree with comments above stating that living off inherited money in a castle on a 5000 acre estate does rather put him in a glass house. Therefore he should be wary of throwing stones.

  26. Paul Brownsey 5 Jun 2013, 9:02am

    Gibbon thought Christianity played a large part in the fall of the Roman empire, by focusing people away from this world…

    Of course, Annan presumes that the fall of the Roman empire was a bad thing. perhaps it’s a good thing that empires should fall…

  27. When in Rome… ;D

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