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  1. Robert (Kettering) 3 Jun 2013, 4:33pm

    What a vile, homophobic old bigot! It’s total rubbish about kids in class acting out Gay weddings!? As if they act out straight ones at the moment, total rubbish and a smoke screen.

    Then the rubbish about not being in the manifesto. Another red herring because neither were the NHS Reforms in the bl**dy manifesto yet they still enthusiastically approved it didn’t they!

    Just get lost Mr Dear. He must have been a really vile Chief Constable to work for.

    1. An unelected parasite says the Parliamentary process is “flawed”. How right he is, let’s get rid of the lords first.

    2. Actually they do in RE lessons sometimes, but not the whole wedding and it’s usually a Hindu or Jewish one. But what is wrong with it being a gay wedding they act out? The lesson is about wedding customs, not who you should marry.

  2. what a wanker !

  3. What an A hole this vile man is – another so called Lord who is probably as corrupt as all the others who take bribes for lobbying

    1. Christopher Coleman 3 Jun 2013, 6:11pm

      The A hole allows a useful function without which we would die. The man is useless. Please call him something else.

  4. Christopher Kay 3 Jun 2013, 4:40pm

    Yeah, ‘cos that’s exactly what happened at my school. Every day at 9am sharp we were forced to enact a straight wedding. awww those were the days…

    1. I know! What school did he go to?

      First lesson: maths
      Second lesson: PE
      Third lesson: you are cordially invited to enact a heterosexual marriage between Amy and Sanjay from class F3
      Fourth lesson: geography.

      Did they make the wedding cake in home-economics??

      1. Midnighter 3 Jun 2013, 5:52pm

        Thank you for that Gareth :)

        1. Yes, except it now has to be called homoeconomics. It will be the law.

  5. Robert in S. Kensington 3 Jun 2013, 4:43pm

    Drop dead and soon, Lord Dear, vile bigot!

  6. Beelzeebub 3 Jun 2013, 4:43pm

    FFS. Is that the best he can come up with….

    1. Midnighter 3 Jun 2013, 5:35pm

      My thoughts exactly.

      Terrifying that these people are essentially paid to “think” on issues – I’ve heard considerably better arguments from school children in debates who at least know they should attempt to use some factual basis and logic.

      1. Apparently they are not paid at all they just get £300 expenses per day for turning up. Nice “work” if you can get it.

        1. Midnighter 3 Jun 2013, 7:12pm

          I believe its £300 PLUS travel expenses – an equivalent £60,000 a year salary. The criticisms are that the expenses element can spiral and that the “attendance allowance” as it is called is the tip of the iceberg as there are other opportunities to supplement this as we are hearing about in the media currently.

  7. I was made to act out straight weddings, and pretend to a straight marriage as part of household management class. Did absolutely nothing to make me straight. Even in the highly unlikely event teachers start pairing off boys and girls for this sort of activity it will not change their sexuality. No man is going to marry another man simply because he did a pretend same-sex wedding as a child.

    1. What on earth is ‘Household management’? I used to be an RE teacher in secondary schools and we sometimes acted out, to an extent, a Hindu or Jewish wedding, but I’ve never even heard of that subject.

  8. essexgirlbecky 3 Jun 2013, 4:46pm

    Lord Dear argues against equal marriage because it will lead to civil disorder of the type seen in France.

    So the former Chief Constable of the West Midlands is saying that the Lords should not pass this bill because the Police may not be able to fulfil their important role of preserving public order.

    It makes you wonder what kind of champion of ‘the extension and protection of minority rights, including homosexual rights and equality’ he actually was!

    What a chinless wonder.

    1. Chester666666 3 Jun 2013, 5:18pm

      The civil disorder which was the homophobes being upse that they lost

  9. essexgirlbecky 3 Jun 2013, 4:50pm

    “Two sisters living together, or an elderly parent and unmarried daughter”, are unable to “enjoy the benefits as same-sex couples”, he said.

    There would be a reason for that; and it’s probably because the nature of the relationship is entirely different; they are not seeking to enter into a marriage.

    Stop me if I’m going a little too fast for you My Lord!

    1. Quite. Also, heterosexual couples already enjoy benefits not available to single pe people, or to siblings of parents & children living together. This may be an argument for reviewing the tax breaks available to couples, but it isn’t an argument for discriminating between gay and straight couples.

  10. Oh Dear, Oh Lordy. Oh verbal Lord diahorrea .What a bigot.

    Kids enacting gay marriage in schools- and why not ? Same time as acting out a straight marriage aswell? all good educational fun Lord Dear-ie

  11. So this bigot wants to classify gay couples as being no different from siblings who live together!

    He just doesn’t want to recognise the value of our loving commitments, our whole relationships, involving intense love, both personal and sexual.

    No, for this old bigot only two heterosexuals can experience an intense personal and sexual relationship and only heterosexuals can commit to each other for life.

    He’s a bigot! He’s a homophobe! Lord Dear has HATRED of homosexual people engraved on his heart.

    Every word he utters proves it.

    He hates me? Well, I LOATHE him!

  12. “children acting out gay weddings in class”

    Oh Dear Lord Dear, what an insane fantasist

  13. bobbleobble 3 Jun 2013, 5:06pm

    So Lord Voldemort has been spouting his nonsense again. How he can say these things and then have the gall to state that he’s not homophobic I’ll never know and the hypocrisy of someone who faced no election to obtain his position in the legislature decrying a democratic deficit in anything is disgusting.

  14. ““Two sisters living together, or an elderly parent and unmarried daughter”, are unable to “enjoy the benefits as same-sex couples”, he said.”

    Two sisters living together already have a familial relationship, they are sisters they do not need marriage to form a familial relationship.
    Similarly a mother and daughter already have a familial relationship as mother and daughter, they do not require marriage to form a familial relationship.

  15. Well yeah that’s exactly the first thing that comes to mind when discussing equal marriage… not love and commitment .. but whether school kids will be made to act out gay weddings… they’ll also have to wear pink and study the history of drag queens … get a grip!

  16. David Jordan 3 Jun 2013, 5:30pm

    You would think a police chief constable would know that you need evidence before making a wild claim like that, but then again he was head of one of the most corrupt, brutal and incompetent police forces in the UK.
    I wonder how many gay men where hounded by Lord Dear’s men? Of course he can talk about laws like they have in Uganda but he enforced the same thing in England.

  17. JackAlison 3 Jun 2013, 5:32pm

    Its so crazy I think it will be lord dear acting out a gay wedding. You couldnt make it up its so mad…but that iust the level of deep seated bigotry of ppl. like this who of course are ‘champions’ of gay rights…lol

  18. Midnighter 3 Jun 2013, 5:41pm

    “Parents will not have a legal right to withdraw children from classes which endorse same-sex marriage in the curriculum.”

    And why the hell should they? What next, the right to exclude themselves from the discussion of evolution?

    Selective education and religious indoctrination are principles in common with the Taliban; listen to the likes of this man and you can kiss democracy goodbye.

  19. He’s reading from the script handed to him by courtesy of Sharon James and Colin Hart of C4M, Andrea Minichiello Williams of Christian Concern, Anglican Mainstream and SPUC.

    We heard the same nonsense in the Commons, he’s going nowhere with this. The Tory party certainly has a more of the share of buffoons and bigots than all three combined. Delusional loons.

  20. Dear Lord (pun intended), what a vile old windbag.

  21. This is the man who was charged with investigating the Police cover-up at Hilsborough – and failed to find anything (!). Of course it later emerged that there had been massive altering of police accounts, etc. So is he stupid or incompetent or corrupt? Just that failure alone should disqualify him from being in an unelected position to decide on my freedoms and my rights.

    And what utter nonsense about Uganda – if that’s the nature of his logical thinking he shouldn’t be put in charge of anything – or even near sharp objects.

  22. dear? is that his name? reminds me of a running joke from blackadder.

  23. That There Other David 3 Jun 2013, 6:23pm

    I love it. He’s made such a tit of himself he’s probably swung a few more Lords our way :-)

  24. Why?

    When i went to school we never acted out a wedding? Why would we do such a thing? What is this complete red herring about schools?! Since when do schools spend so much time teaching about marriage anyway?!

  25. I’m sorry My Lord (I can’t say that with a straight face), why do you care what school children do, your generation has had it’s time, don’t try and speak for the younger generations!

  26. “Lord Dear, said that moves towards equal marriage meant the rights of gay people were “outstripping” the rights of families”
    Because ‘families’ never include any gay people. Or any people who support equality.
    Children being told that they & their parents aren’t a family because they have 2 parents of the same gender is presumably far less damaging than being told that marriage is between 2 people who love one another, regardless of their genders…

  27. michaelandfred 3 Jun 2013, 6:44pm

    Lord Dear? Seriously? Is he a real person or a plant from Little Britain? He can be taken about as seriously. I’d write more but I’m off to watch todays heterosexual wedding performance at my local elementary school. They win prizes!

  28. Is this the same Lord Dear that championed gay rights by supporting the infamous Waddington amendment that denoted virulent anti gay speech by some religious persons as acceptable in a way that anti religious hate speech is not? See: Lords Hansard 11 Nov 2009 : Column 853-55

  29. Helge Vladimir Tiller 3 Jun 2013, 7:16pm

    He is taking part in a world wide competition : Who is most ignorant about matters related to Human Rights ? First Price will be: Guest of honour when The first Gay Wedding is celebrated in Great Britain-

  30. floridahank 3 Jun 2013, 9:15pm

    Regarding the possibility of foisting the carrying out of of gay weddings is not far fetched. Next it could be polygamous weddings — because there are many homosexuals who would like to abolise husband/wife, man/woman associations with marriage.
    Youngesters are easily confused and their immature social foundations can be disturbed in our public eductational system.
    The homosexual agenda wants to make drastic changes, as seen in this situation:
    CBN NEWS – Parents of children attending a Red Hook, New York middle school are outraged after a recent anti-bullying presentation at Linden Avenue Middle School.

    The workshop was for 13 and 14-year-old girls and focused on homosexuality and gender identity. They were also taught words such as “pansexual” and “genderqueer.”

    Parents say their daughters were told to ask one another for a kiss and they say two girls were told to stand in front of the class and pretend they were lesbians on a date.

    Parent, Mandy Coon, spoke with reporters sa

    1. Midnighter 3 Jun 2013, 10:18pm

      Yeah it is. What you have right there is a slippery slope fallacy predicated on some factually incorrect statements about paediatrics (i.e. outright lies). Not really an argument but rather a brainless rant.

      Teaching children words – whatever next. They’ll be trying to teach them we are related to apes next.

      1. floridahank 3 Jun 2013, 11:36pm

        “Parents say their daughters were told to ask one another for a kiss and they say two girls were told to stand in front of the class and pretend they were lesbians on a date.”

        What has this to do with public education? The kids need more education on reading, writing, mathematics, etc. — not such stupid
        questionable antics.

        1. A lesson in empathy perhaps.

          1. floridahank 4 Jun 2013, 1:35am

            Trying to force empathy is hypocritical — if it’s not genuine and spontaneous — you’re putting forth an agenda.

          2. Midnighter 4 Jun 2013, 1:50am

            Its called a curriculum, not an agenda. You need to learn some new words.

            You don’t appear to have an iota of knowledge about child rearing. If you did, you’d know children do not come out all chock full of empathy by themselves. It is in large measure considered to be an acquired skill.

            Here’s one of the first examples spat out by google, suggest you take a read:

            If you want to talk about sinister and abusive agendas, lets talk religion.

    2. Oh, dear…..trotting out this ‘homosexual agenda’ BS again. What agenda might that be then? Ah, yes….to have the same rights as ANYONE else, to live in peace and safety and not be bullied and reviled for who you are, and not be terrified to tell others that you’re gay. That’s the bloody agenda, you moron!!
      And it sickens me that gay men and women have to fight for the rights which others had given to them as a matter of course.

  31. What was that about ‘chilling’ internal developments in law in Argentina? Their arguments are getting increasingly desperate and obscure.

  32. phil armond 4 Jun 2013, 7:19am

    Does he not know kids act out McBeth with murder etc all the time..murder is apparently OK but not anything to do with affection & love. What a dinosaur.

  33. So many MPs banging on about how this wasn’t on the Conservative’s manifesto and how ‘unfair’ it is not getting what you voted for. HA that’s politics! Yet they only complain when the changes don’t suit them. Typical.

  34. Absolute bollo-ks!!
    Silly, bigoted prat.
    And to think he is one of the the decision makers in our fair isle!

  35. “Equal marriage will lead to ‘children acting out gay weddings in class’”


  36. You know what, I am bisexual and female. I have only dated 1 girl but for the simple reason that there are not many girls who are gay at high school…..and well, thats where i am. Sucks to be me :/. Anyway, i am really passionate about gay marriage because if i end up falling in love with a girl in ten years time and we finally decide we want to be married but cannot be……’s just mean :(.

    Why should we be deprived of what some married couples descirbe as the biggest day of their life?

    The lack of acceptance is irritating *_*.

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