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  1. I hereby call for the Archbishop of Canterbury to mind his own damned business. If teachers dont want to teach then they shouldn’t become teachers.

    1. Marcwebbo3 2 Jun 2013, 9:11pm

      Wholeheartedly agree with you….the clues in the name….Teacher = Teach

    2. I completely disagree. If your a teacher and agree with same sex marriage then teach those who sign up for that class. If you do not believe in it then you shouldn’t have to teach it. Believe it or not there are still people who would prefer to hear about marriage between male and female not same sex. Solution have classes for both and let those who want to condone same sex teach it. Those teachers who do not condone it shouldn’t be forced to teach it..

      1. David Jordan 3 Jun 2013, 1:15am

        There is a difference between education and indoctrination, unless the church is admitting that the only thing that occurs in faith schools is indoctrination, then they have nothing to worry about teach students about same-sex marriage.

      2. So where would you draw the line? With a teacher who refuses to teach about the holocaust because they don’t believe it happened? A Muslim who refuses to teach about the Crusades? Personal beliefs should be that – personal. If your beliefs are that strong, you should find a different job and not expect the job to change to meet your concept of what’s appropriate.

      3. Commander Thor 3 Jun 2013, 7:44am

        How about teachers who don’t believe in interracial marriages? What if they don’t want to condone miscegenation? Afterall, if the Lord wanted the races to mix, he wouldn’t have put them in separate places in the world, would he?

      4. How about teachers who don’t believe the world is round? Should they have special “The world is flat” classes. Get a brain please.

      5. Godric Godricson 3 Jun 2013, 8:38am

        The UK is increasingly secular and contains a section of society who are increasingly angry at being lectured by a minority of homophobes who disguise hate in sweet words. Discrimination is a crime in the UK and school authorities who discriminate should be made to pay. Hit them in the bank balance where it hurts

      6. Sign up for the class???? What plant are you on dear, children don’t get any option about who teaches them.

        I call for all faith based schools to be closed and be replaced with state run schools that offer a balanced view to all, religion has no place in schools. Keep religion in places of warship, deliberate misspelling.

    3. He’s just admitted how wrong “faith” schools are. Did anyone notice? We have a system where children are taught at the whim of religious loons like Welby. What have we done?

      We haven’t just handed our schools over to them we put them in the HoL free of charge and without election. The rest of the civilised world must be laughing their socks off. Can you imagine the law in France being thrown out by a load of descendants of Louis 14th plus a few monsignors?

    4. One of th enames of jesus was “teacher” – do you think he would want same sex taught and the filth that goes with it ?

  2. Are we asking teachers to promote same sex marriage ? I think not… so what is all the fuss about?

    1. Midnighter 2 Jun 2013, 6:39pm

      The fuss is that he might not be allowed to lie to young children.

      In order to support their message of hatred of homosexuals the Church needs to emphasise that what we have isn’t ‘real’ marriage or omit to mention that we have the same rights as everyone else when discussion marriage.

      Faith schools are institutions aimed at indoctrinating the next generation in a cult which is sustained by selective facts, half truths, fantasy and lies.

      1. Midnighter 2 Jun 2013, 6:41pm

        *discussing (fingers were overcome with urge to strangle idiots, apologies)

  3. Isn’t it funny how they never call for the protection for those pro-equality teachers at risk of the sack in religious calls (the Catholic church even announced exactly what sort of public statements, support of equal marriage for instance, would get you sacked!).

    The Government has made clear they want no teachers to lose their jobs over this. Catholic church has made it clear they do want teachers to lose their jobs. And who must we specifically protect? The ones who have been told they aren’t at risk!!

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  4. How do these “faith” schools explain away civil partnerships or homosexuality ? Do kids have to look the terms up on the internet or see us on TV and in mags.

    Seems an utterly pointless argument when SSM is plastered over the media already and whatever the teachers or schools will want to promote to kids, they will alread had gotton the truth from other sources. What do they want to do ? move all the kids to an island, ban TV ….Teach them facts not a bunch of lies!

    1. I think teachers in public schools should not have the option of pretending something doesn’t exist, when a student asks about someone in their class having two mommies.

      But in a faith school, I think it is very reasonable. What you are permitted to say or not say is part of the faith’s religion and should not be interfered with. It is a small concession in return for marriage equality in England and Wales.

      1. Beelzeebub 2 Jun 2013, 6:34pm

        No. Whats next.

        Evolution never happened.

        The earth is flat and 6000 years old.

        Praying for a sick child is preferable to a doctor.

        We cannot allow faith schools to churn out such brainwashed idiots into society.

        These people become our future dangerous swivel eyed idiots.

        1. Some faith schools in America actually do teach that the universe is less than 10,000 years old and that people lived with dinosaurs. Ironic that a school that teaches that the Flinstones is a scientific documentary cry FOUL about having to teach about the existence of gay people.

      2. Midnighter 2 Jun 2013, 6:50pm

        Not only should faith schools not be exempt from telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, but they shouldn’t exist in the first place.

        Allowing children to have their minds ruined with religious nonsense offends me to a similar degree as the idea they are being sent their to be physically or sexually abused. On top of that I object to the divisive nature of separating kids out from the rest of society based on their parent’s religion and cultural values, by which they only perpetuate those differences that create frictions in society.

        1. Midnighter 2 Jun 2013, 6:52pm

          *there not their ffs.

  5. Christopher Coleman 2 Jun 2013, 5:44pm

    Can’t understand why these people believe that teaching about something (passing on knowledge, that is in itself neutral) with advocating it. Modern history classes that cover WW2 must include information on the Nazi attitude to Jews. No reasonable person would suggest that teaching about the holocaust is equivalent to teaching students to hate Jews. So why should telling children that same gender individuals can get married be seen as advocating it? Anyway, I can’t see heterosexuals getting involved in same gender marriage. Just consider how many heterosexuals remain single all their lives — whatever the reasons.

    The real problem is probably that religious leaders feel they are required to have an opinion on everything and expected to voice it whenever occasion demands. The opinion does not have to make sense; it simply need to make a noise.

    1. It is exactly as they behave in their churches. With plenty of noise. Thinking that the more words they include in a prayer the more god will hear them . Or the more times they repeat it especially if they can make it into a chant. The better their odds that their Pixie in the sky is going to some how stop everything he is doing just to listen to them. I guess when you think about it , it makes sense. Just like a child, will call continuously to it`s mother when being ignored. Mommy ,mommy ,mommy. Daddy ,daddy ,daddy. They might want to consult their rule book on that. Matthew 6.

  6. Beelzeebub 2 Jun 2013, 5:46pm

    Enshrine bigotry into law.

    Our “marriages” if we ever get them are too disgusting to mention in schools.

    Section 28 by the back door.

  7. Justin you have greater things to worry about than teachers not wanting to teach mate..when it goes through it is assumed that the royal prerogative is yes and the cannon automatically changed. Never mind you and your darlings hiding behind the Submission of the clergy act – that is the very law that will nab ya.

  8. Long past time faith schools were consigned to the waste-bin of History and ALL children were educated together!
    I have no objection to Comparative Religion being taught in schools – as an academic study – but the teaching of one particular faith ill-equips children for adult life when they will come into contact with people of all faiths and none.

  9. I’m getting a bit fed up of people whose idea of being a “Christian” consists of living in a Palace, sitting on a throne, adorning themselves in gold be-jeweled dresses, being educated at Eton, and ensuring that lgbt people don’t get equality.

    The ‘issue’ of teachers was dealt with in the Commons Bill Committee when Michael Gove was questioned about it. He explained that no teacher will be required to ‘promote’ or endorse same sex marriage – simply, if the subject arises, to explain what the law says; he stated that there will be no restriction on them explaining their personal views if it is done in a sensitive and non-dogmatic way.

    What is Welby’s problem with that?

    As for the C of E making conciliatory gestures – tell that to the other Bishops who are queuing up to vote against the Bill and still claiming they will be forced to conduc same sex marriages. As usual, the Church speak with forked tongue.

  10. The CoE “resigned” to the bill going through, don’t make me laugh, they’ll be fighting against it until the last man is standing in the Lords!

    This is the reply I had from the Bishop of Bristol

    “Just to let you know that I will be there and will be voting against the Bill. Even if I were for ‘equal marriage’ (and I’m not) I would vote against the Bill on the grounds that the way the Bill has been introduced has been a complete abuse of the democratic process. No mention of it in any Queens Speech, no mention in any manifesto or the Coalition Agreement, no white paper etc etc. “…..

    “There is some doubt as to whether the Government’s safeguards for the Church would be robust when challenged in the European Court of Human Rights”

    Sounds like a really nice, rational, “christian” fella doesn’t he! So much for that warm welcome at the church door for gays..

    1. “abuse of the democratic process” Is the irony lost on him?

      1. Midnighter 2 Jun 2013, 6:56pm

        Well said. Disingenuous hypocrite (the Bish, that is, not you Ray123!)

  11. So they want teachers to foist bigotry on kids – including gay kids – because it’s not like bullying and persecution of our kids is a thing or that we have a deplorably high youth suicide rate – right? Oh wait

    But christian hatred is more important than kids’ lives

  12. A Vatican Bishop recently said that about 100,000 thousand christians a year are killed by members of other brands of religion, added to that there is appalling suffering of various kinds taking place around the world, some man made, some natural. Yet despite this these people are pre occupied with the fear that two people of the same sex who love each other may be able to marry??? and the C of E is one of the less obsessed brands.

  13. Chester66 2 Jun 2013, 6:41pm

    I thought they had what they wanted with the stupid lock and now he wants homophobia to be legally protected due to it being religious, so much for the idea of him being progressive etc

    I never liked the lock idea

  14. Keep an eye on these snakes. They’ll claim to only want to “protect” priests and teachers in religious schools but watch out, by the time they are finished it will apply to any teacher in any school and ANYONE in ANY job or profession who can claim a religious objection. This has happened in the US. They always start out with priests, pastors and religious schools and the next thing you know they’ve sneaked in florists, car salesmen, plumbers and any other homophobic bigot who wants to hide their bigotry behind a bible.

    1. To be clear, Kentucky passed a bill that would allow that; however, if challenged it would be struck down based on its lack of constitutionality.

      Other states have not done this. Also in my home state a florist tried to refuse to service a same-sex couple because of her relationship with Jesus. That got her two lawsuits against her. One by the state and the other by the couple.

      I believe we had some marriage registrars in this country who trid to get outbid doing their job as well, because it their personal beliefs. If I recall correctly, they where told no and to deal with it.

      1. Out of, not outbid. Thank you autocorrect

      2. I am so glad I do not preform marriages. It seems to be all the rage to promote gay marriage, I will never do so. I do not hate you but I will not agree it should be taught to children. If they feel as you all seem to believe I am positive there are plenty of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender teachers out there willing to have children who wish to learn in their classes. Leave those who do not alone.

        1. I know what you mean! that gay marriage stuff, and then the blacks getting all uppity and wanting to drink from the same water fountains and sit in front of the bus… Next thing you know, someone will be trying to make us believe that Jews are human too.

          It’s so nice to see a like-minded individual

        2. Midnighter 3 Jun 2013, 10:55am

          Whenever you say “I do not hate you, but” I suggest you pause and take stock.

          If the consequences of such a premise require a “but” it is a clear indicator that you have just made a liar of yourself.

  15. Mumbo Jumbo 2 Jun 2013, 7:16pm

    If you want to tell children that they, or some of their classmates are wrong, evil, second class, come from pretend families or are going burn in searing agony for all eternity then I think teaching is probably not the right job for you.

  16. What about the rights of children? What about the gay and lesbian, bi kids? Don’t they have rights that are above and beyond their teacher’s rights?

  17. Larry & Patrick 2 Jun 2013, 7:21pm

    So we get to selectively choose who we discriminate against? i thought we had overcome the “back of the bus” issues for all peoples years ago! Apparently, our traditional faith practioneers get to expouse their hatred with reprisal.

  18. the time is way overdue for governance in the uk to break its bonds with the church of england. separation of church and state is not only essential but imperative. even certain former colonies have seen the light of days, centuries ago.

  19. The unelected,unrepresentative Bishops (inclduding Welby ) aren’t interested in amendments , they want to kill the bill. They’ll use the excuses of amendments simply as another way of killing the bill. Let’s be clear the bishops are going to vote against this bill on Tuesday whatever amendments are put in it.

    Reply from Bishop of Birmingham

    “The Bishop of Birmingham thanks you for your recent email on Marriage. He will be in the House of Lords on 3rd and 4th June and intends to vote against the proposed bill”

    I think the CoE or Welby are saying lies if we are meant to believe they have resigned to accepting this bill!

  20. Teachers have a responsibility to their students, to educate them and prepare them for adult life. This includes telling them honestly and truthfully what the law is, and what constitutes a violation of the law. If someone cannot do this for any reason, then they should not be a teacher.
    The law should never be used as an excuse for a person’s deliberate and willful misconduct. The arch-bigot’s proposal amounts to nothing more than child abuse.

  21. Robert in S. Kensington 2 Jun 2013, 8:17pm

    Stupid man, There are safeguards within the Bill to do just that. Can’t he read? He can try but he won’t succeed. This Bill is very explicit that there are more than adequate protections for people of so called ‘faith’.

  22. Should faith school be able to teach creationism instead of evolution as a fact, or perhaps justify slavery, rape, and a multitude of other heinous acts which the bible condones.

  23. Commander Thor 2 Jun 2013, 9:14pm

    Well if they are funded by the tax-payer, then they should accept a 10% pay-cut to account for the LGBTQ population that they refuse to serve…Or maybe get a job in the Church.

    1. Commander Thor 3 Jun 2013, 11:03am

      I propose a counter-ammendment:

      “(a) Any teacher that refuses to teach the existence of gay couples when teaching about marriage is allowed to lie to the children, but must take a pay cut of 10% to account for their refusal to serve the LGBTQ community.

      (b) In the case clause (a) is invoked, a non-bigoted teacher has to be appointed by the school (or sent in by the Department of Education) to read a statement that does teach about the existence of gay couples, and to make it clear that the usual teacher is actually an example of a repulsive bigoted individual that wants to impose his fantasy on the children instead of teaching them about reality.”

      That way everybody is happy…like the four locks thing.

    2. Commander Thor 3 Jun 2013, 11:04am

      I propose a counter-ammendment:

      “(a) Any teacher that refuses to teach the existence of gay couples when teaching about marriage is allowed to lie to the children, but must take a pay cut of 10% to account for their refusal to serve the LGBTQ community.

      (b) In the case clause (a) is invoked, a non-bigoted teacher has to be appointed by the school (or sent in by the Department of Education) to read a statement that does teach about the existence of gay couples, and to make it clear that the usual teacher is actually an example of a repulsive bigoted individual that wants to impose his fantasy on the children instead of teaching them about reality.”

      That way everybody is happy…like the four locks thing.

  24. What a disgraceful idea! If teachers can’t do their job without prejudice, they shouldn’t be teachers.

    What next? A Christian teacher refusing to teach about other religions? A male teacher refusing to teach about women’s rights? A white teacher refusing to teach that we’re all equal no matter what our skin colour?

    What IS this constant bloody desire by ‘christians’ to discriminate against others? Hardly loving, is it? Why don’t they stop and think about what drives them in their bizarre obsession? Why does one group of human beings have to be designated ‘lesser’ to make some religions happy?

  25. Guess what – homosexuals can never be really married no matter what anyone thinks. Call it marriage if you must but marriage it is not.

    1. bobbleobble 3 Jun 2013, 12:22am

      And the prize for dumbest comment of the thread goes to…………

    2. Look up the term “Etymological fallacy”. I’ll wait…

    3. If you really believe your absurd premise, then why are you all hot and bothered about something that is not real? Oh, I see, you get hot and bothered over unreal things all the time.

  26. So called ‘faith’ schools should NOT be funded by taxpayers.

    1. They would more appropriately be referred to as sect schools (IMO).

    2. Midnighter 3 Jun 2013, 6:00pm

      They shouldn’t even be allowed as an alternative to mainstream schooling in the first place.

      1) Removing children from society enforces cultural and religious divisions. 2) Withholding facts, discouraging critical thought and telling them lies is child abuse.

  27. Just get rid of ALL sex education in schools and let parents deal with these issues at home, as and when they wish.
    Problem solved.

  28. OK Archbigot – go ahead try to enshrine your bigotry, and try to wreck the SSM bill, with sweet words of course – we know what your about!
    Not your intention, you just want to indoctrinate kids with hate and not have any consequence – we understand that, do you think this will reflect your religion in a good light?

    Go ahead, what next, no mention of gay marriage before the 9pm “watershead”.

    You rediculous man.

  29. SKULLTAKER 2 Jun 2013, 11:26pm

    If a minister is pushing the Depravity of Homosexuality , you usually have a PEDOPHILE in hiding. No teacher should be forced to teach this Filthy Feces -Laden Lifestyle. !

    1. Are you Justin welby or just a swivel eyed loon?

      1. Commander Thor 3 Jun 2013, 7:53am

        Probably both…

      2. How would you tell the difference? (shame PN didn’t use a pic of Welby in his wizard frock and pointy hat, I could use a laugh this morning).

  30. Please disestablish this church and stop it interfering in and corrupting our political system.

  31. Justin Welby has cold dead eyes and a smile like a piranha fish, I find him repulsive on every level, physically, spiritually, mentally and morally, he has distorted scripture into an interpretation employed to support his anti-gay stance, he is beneath contempt.

  32. They have to teach this in all schools ! To not just allows ignorance and intolerance to spread to new generations and we will never have a proper society.

    Stop hiding behind the beliefs you choose to live by to try and make my life worse because of who I love.

    To tach a child selectively and not give them all the facts and allow them to use their own free will to form an opinion is tandamount to brain washing and this is only gwtting worse with the Conservative aim of more private and faith schools.

  33. Commander Thor 3 Jun 2013, 11:05am

    I propose a counter-ammendment:

    “(a) Any teacher that refuses to teach the existence of gay couples when teaching about marriage is allowed to lie to the children, but must take a pay cut of 10% to account for their refusal to serve the LGBTQ community.

    (b) In the case clause (a) is invoked, a non-bigoted teacher has to be appointed by the school (or sent in by the Department of Education) to read a statement that does teach about the existence of gay couples, and to make it clear that the usual teacher is actually an example of a repulsive bigoted individual that wants to impose his fantasy on the children instead of teaching them about reality.”

    That way everybody is happy…like the four locks thing.

  34. “Deep in my heart I do believe that we shall overcome the evil myth of heterosexual-supremacy!” ~The Rev. Timmy

  35. Eduction is not promotion !!!

  36. Teachers, faith schools and all people in public roles have to follow the law. Like The Equality Act.

    No ifs, buts or whatever. Follow. The. Law.

    So butt out Welby.

  37. NickDavisGB 3 Jun 2013, 4:34pm

    So long he adds another amendment that protects me from religious persecution and his divine right to sit on the House of Lords.

  38. Don Harrison 4 Jun 2013, 12:34am

    It is not promoting same sex marriages., but schools need to speak of in in Sex Education in a un biased way

  39. Colin (London) 7 Jun 2013, 3:07pm

    Let the mumbo jumbo lot fight among themselves while the rest of civilization move the world on… Simple really.. eh?

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