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US: Anger as Illinois equal marriage vote delayed, but supporters confident the fight is not over

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  1. Once again black people have thrown gay people under the bus.

    1. Midnighter 1 Jun 2013, 11:42am

      I’m genuinely unsure how you arrive at that conclusion given that there has been a lot of support from black groups and prominent individuals on the issue nationally. Is there some difference in Illinois that has influenced the black vote contrary to the national trends?

      If this is just an expression of general frustration, my observation as a UK based outsider is that antagonising potential supporters seems a poor strategy at this juncture.

      1. From the Cheicago Sun-Times: “Stubborn resistance within the House Black Caucus, a 20-member bloc of African-American lawmakers who have faced a withering lobbying blitz against the plan from black ministers, has helped keep Harris’ legislation in check, with several House members still undecided.”

        1. Midnighter 1 Jun 2013, 12:58pm

          Ah I see, another case of religion erasing all rational thought. That is utterly shameful, given that the article also cites the view of “a high level insider” that those black members have expressed apathy over the issue.

          Thanks for the link.

    2. Craig Nelson 1 Jun 2013, 9:56pm

      We need to remember a lot of black politicians have been very forthright in their support for LGBT equality both in the US (Obama, Jesse Jackson, Rev Al Sharpton – many others) and the UK (David Lammy, Diane Abbott). I cannot deny that the Illinois black caucus have not particularly caught the vision – but even there there are high profile backers of equal marriage).

      We need to look at the strange kind of campaign that took place in Illinois. A huge amount of work occured in Marylland with both faith and black groups that generated much better support there than in Illinois.

      Our movement will only move forwards if we convince people to support who are currently against or in the middle – we need a good strategy to engage with those we’re not yet engaging with. That was to some extent lacking in Illinois but worked well in Maryland. It can be done!

  2. Mark Cross 1 Jun 2013, 11:50am

    Wtf!? “Black people”?! Hello? Some African-American legislators in the IL House support equal marriage, some don’t. What about all the Catholics, evangelicals, Caucasian and Republican legislators who still do not support this bill? Part of our legacy, as MLK so remarkably demonstrated to his dying breath, was maintaining your dignity and living your convictions, even in, or especially in, defeat. This particular battle is on hiatus, but the war is ours. Our opponents know this too; all they can do is delay. “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.” Yes I’m poorly paraphrasing. Love is the most powerful force in the universe. “Right makes might; not the other way round.” So let us not cast aspersions on “black people”, especially, or any other group.

  3. Craig Nelson 1 Jun 2013, 12:13pm

    Marriage equality in Illinois will not pass without support from the Black caucus within the Legislature. That is a simple matter of maths. If politicians are leaned on by strong forces in their constituency it makes them reluctant to support.

    So it’s a matter of building on the support that is already there. This is a long war – we will not win every engagement. There are going to be defeats along the way but the direction of travel is clear. At some point the votes will be there and we will win.

    Until then we need to be building links and alliances, winning around the people whose vote and support is crucial. It will take time and work on the ground. Recriminations will not help in that process.

  4. I’m sick to my stomach over the black democrats who wouldn’t back this… more time to talk to constituents? What about interracial marriage, can we repeal that so we can find out what Jeb and Bubba thinks?

    Disgusting, you would think that people who were once considered cattle by another race would understand the fight for equality?

  5. I don’t doubt his passion or energy, but many people feel betrayed by Greg Harris. They feel he reassured them that there was no danger in waiting until the last hours of the session. They feel that he was very conservative with his vote count, checking it was a ‘yes’ over and over at moments when many undecideds were rumoured to be ready to vote ‘yes’ if he had called a sudden vote. I say sudden, but the Senate passed this measure on Valentine’s Day. These legislators have had an age to consider this.

    Various sources are suggesting that as many as 12/60 yes votes suddenly said they wanted more time. The failure of this legislation seems to rest firmly at the door of the 20-strong Black Caucus, the lack of enthusiasm of the all-powerful Speaker, and the nicey-nicey tone of Harris. Illinois politics are brutal, and this bluff didn’t pay off.

  6. I know that people are very disappointed, and that is to be expected. I’m disappointed, as well. But let’s keep two things in mind. First, the pro and anti equal marriage sides are not clearly differentiated by race. There are people of all races on both sides. Let’s remember that only one sitting president in the United States has ever supported marriage equality, and he is of mixed race background. The NAACP and many other civil rights organizations have been good allies for us. Likewise, many rightwing evangelical groups, mostly, but not exclusively, in the Republican Party–some African American, but largely white–are opposed to equal marriage. They are the main problems. But, and this is the second, and most important point, We ARE GOING TO WIN. It takes some time, but we will win.

    Finally, I love Pink News, because it’s a way for our community, across the globe to come together and support one another. Thanks, from a grateful reader in Manitou Springs, Colorado!

  7. The fight is definitely not over. Mike Madigan, Illinois House Speaker has extended the deadline until August 31st:

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