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Comment: Marriage equality is the mark of a civilised society

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  1. I really like the point made about teaching marriage in schools and how, without marriage equality under the law, it’s presenting the idea that heterosexuality is ideal

    From what i’ve experienced, it seems to be the case, especially amongst young people, that it is these small details that alter their perception of LGB people and so by legalizing marriage between two people of the same sex it will convey that there is no difference between us

  2. The unelected House of Lords is a very sinister thing
    Until it is abolished, Britain is not a democracy.

    1. Totally agree.

      While I can see the case for a mechanism to prevent transitory governments acting in ways that are harmful, religion and birthright are not appropriate criteria in a modern democracy. Even if they were, we still see large and damaging pendulum swings between successive governments as it is (NHS, education…) , so the HoL is not fit for purpose even on that criteria in my view.

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 30 May 2013, 12:19pm

      Completely agree. This feudal, anachronistic class-ridden group of unelected people has more to do with oligarchy, an affront to the meaning of true democracy. Yet we put up with it. It’s about time Lords reform were taken seriously. I suspect the majority of Tories would oppose any changes. I don’t even want an elected chamber because it could signal the end of the Parliament Act. What is even more offensive is that they outnumber members in the Commons where the real power lies. The upper chamber has absolutely NOTHING to do with representative government. Over eight hundred unelected people playing with our lives and rights, definitely nothing democratic about that.

  3. A solid and commendable effort, thanks Adrian.

    The entrenched bigots won’t bother reading it I’m quite sure, however it does highlight the holes in the opposition’s arguments very nicely and I hope will help arm the supporters and persuade the rest.

  4. A really excellent, well-thought-out and well-written article. Thank you.

  5. A lot of people are out-of-touch with the facts – me included. I strive to gain as much information as possible but the sheer volume is difficult to keep up with, when you are reading stuff from all over the planet. However it’s been known for a long time that gay couples and individuals do raise children and have families, some from previous heterosexual relationships, some through IVF or fostering, or surrogacy. I saw this yesterday, which I think is really useful;

    http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/press-releases/metro-areas-with-highest-percentages-of-same-sex-couples-raising-children-are-in-states-with-constitutional-bans-on-marriage/

  6. Superb, and beautifully written. Thank you!

  7. Robert in S. Kensington 30 May 2013, 12:23pm

    Well written Adrian, but are the HoL going to see it? I doubt it. It would have been better had it been published in the Guardian or Times or sent directly to the Lords. Wouldn’t it have been better to have sent it to openly gay MPs to lobby the Lords?

    1. I did send this to various MPS in fact. You are also welcome to adapt this and write to peers, too, of course! Keep up the good work Robert; thanks to everyone for the comments as always.

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 30 May 2013, 1:01pm

        Adrian, very glad you sent it to various MPs, very important that you did that. Let us know if you receive any feedback from MPs. Thank you again for your excellent article.

        This is what we’re up against in the Lords, scripted by courtesy of C4M/CI. These hate-mongers will stop at nothing even if what they are saying is a pack of lies. Some in the Lords will fall for it as Lord Dear et al have done.

  8. Just loved the final para, I would pay to hear the HoL debate that argument:
    ‘The law as it stands effectively states that no gay relationship, no matter how loving, supportive, stable, faithful or committed can match the standard of a heterosexual relationship, however abusive, adulterous, deceitful, dysfunctional or short-lived. Did we even need a consultation to debate this?’

  9. Rick Patel 30 May 2013, 6:36pm

    So-called “gay marriage” is the mark of a depraved, decadent, & dissolute society in rapid decline.

  10. dale mcalpine 27 Jan, 8:01pm

    If I want to marry my pet Labrador and call that marriage equality is that “the mark of a civilised society” also ?

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