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Bishop of Salisbury: Opponents of equal marriage similar to supporters of ‘slavery and apartheid’

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  1. if only all other super religious people could see this…

  2. This was also reported in today’s Times under the title “Gay marriage is a just cause, says Bishop”, I was pleased to see. Hopefully his view is getting heard by some erstwhile fence-sitters.

    The Times also reports on The Church Society “an evangelical group” lobbying the House of Lords, contrasting it nicely with the Bishop’s comments and explanation. The result is that it does help pain such groups as the extremists they are.

    1. *paint

    2. The Times has been praiseworthily (if slightly surprisingly) firm and consistent in its support of equal marriage.

  3. If only he had could teach those other old relics this too.

    Good on him for speaking out and it is also great to see that his own opinions have changed over time.

  4. Robert in S. Kensington 30 May 2013, 11:59am

    Well done, Bishop Holtam, a rose amongst the thorns. Let’s hope Lord Alli gets the good Bishop’s message read aloud. About time we heard some positive coverage from religious leaders.

    I do wish all of those who voted for the bill could have lobbied the Lords en masse to counter the opposition who’ve been uber active in this respect.

    The link below will give you an idea of the gross misinformation and spurious statements that the Lords are being fed.

  5. Helge Vladimir Tiller 30 May 2013, 11:59am

    Bishop of Salisbury- I can assure You : Hundreds of millions around The World just LOVE YOU !

  6. The Dail Mail have covered it as well, The hate filled comments from some readers show that the bigots can’t cope with his fair and balanced view.

    I had the highest negative ticks against my comment. What a result :-) Its like poking a hornets nest. Have a go :-)

    1. It gets worse later in the day as the evangelicals kick in:-).

      It’s apparently very unimportant, yet at the same time has them frothing at the mouth?????

    2. Yes it’s worth having a go, but there is a good chance pro equality comments won’t appear. A token few appear, just to show how balanced they are :-)

    3. Marcwebbo3 30 May 2013, 4:30pm

      I registered yesterday just to stir them up….I posted a congrats msg to the french guys who got married and got so many negative ticks….I laughed as I knew it would happen….going to carry on….I do it on the Sun page too although its not quite as bad there

  7. I believe those who are religious that use the bible/koran to justify their bigotry to marriage equality should be made to live their lives in full accordance with their scripture.

    They should be banned from using the internet, and other modern technology that is derived from scientific progress that is in opposition to their religious texts. And of course, no modern medicine, they should just pray for their health or use natural god made therapies.

    And of course no clothing of mixed fibres, and importantly no shellfish.

    1. According to the ‘bible’ we’re all f**cked but my favourite has always been – Deuteronomy 23:1
      you take a punch in the nuts your f**cked – sex change f**cked – you’re born out of wedlock f**cked for 10 generations – born in wrong place f**cked. There really can’t be many who meet the full requirements. I sure as hell don’t/wouldn’t want to but my sisters kids families won’t until 2313 AD even with Catholic schooling hahahahaha

      He that is wounded in the stones, or has his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD. 2A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD. 3An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever: …

  8. Well done, Bishop! You’re absolutely right, of course. I wonder how many anti-equal marriage people will be able to leave their outdated views behind and take on board what you’ve said.

    I hope this is widely publicised.

  9. Robert (Kettering) 30 May 2013, 1:39pm

    I am in awe of this Bishop and totally agree with him. Indeed, I have been saying much the same now for ages but it falls on deaf ears as far as the die hard bigots are concerned.

    The best comment he made, and you’d be hard pressed to argue with it, is when he says: “The Biblical texts have not changed; our interpretation has.” Indeed, and that’s precisely why we don’t stone adulterers, burn heretics, circumcise for religious reasons in Christianity and a whole lot of other “Biblically allowed” abuses in the “name” of religion.

  10. I wonder will david burrowes mp sling the race card jibe at this Christian bishop as he did to David Lammy mp.

  11. I was raised in Southern Africa. Even as a child I couldn’t take religion seriously when I heard the Dutch Reformed Church claimed that a passage in the bible that blacks were sent to be the slaves for whites. Thank ‘heaven’ for an enlightened Bishop. It is all in the interpretation….

  12. “Well said, Bishop! Have yourself a sherry!”

  13. Εκηβόλος 30 May 2013, 7:32pm

    It is not only slavery …Church canceled a clear and absolute thesis of Jesus Christ {Matthew 19:23-24} that the rich persons can not enter the kingdom of heaven !
    The rich persons {what a miracle !} are not sinners anymore and they can enter the paradise without any problem!
    Contrary to the homophobic , hypocritical and bigoted theater of the christian Church , Jesus Christ never said a word against the homosexuals ! But {what a miracle !} for the Church the homosexuals are …sinners !
    Greetings from Greece .

    1. Greece, we love you! Always.

    2. Exactly Eddy. The great land that in the past has given the world reason, rationality and philosophy now gave us another enlightened mind, Ekibolos (sorry about the free translation, it was the best I could do :-D).

      1. Εκηβόλος 1 Jun 2013, 12:23am

        Thanks a lot my friends. Ekivolos Apollon was the god of the Light and the Logos -Reason .Also he had passionate homosexuals relations with mortal men …

  14. David Shepherd 30 May 2013, 9:11pm

    The State may choose to legislate in support of same-sex marriage, but the church has no mandate to follow suit.

    The church marriage ceremony is an act of representative affirmation based on scripture. it is not apartheid, to assign greater privilege and duties on society to recognise a behaviour that is more crucial than others to the development of society. Same-sex marriage imposes a duty on others to recognise homosexual acts as equivalent in importance to society as unions that have the potential to provide children who need parents to survive. Such a duty is undeserved.

    Race is not behavioural, homosexual acts are. Homosexual acts are not equivalent in societal importance to heterosexual acts as the latter can normatively result in children. It is of considerable benefit to society to privilege those who pair with each other with a readiness for the potential impact of this important natural outcome. Therefore, by the apartheid comparison, he is mere piggy-backing a duty.

    1. what a twat !

    2. Jesus wept… “Race is not behavioural, homosexual acts are” – What point are you making? That’s akin to claiming its OK to drink orange juice because its natural but you mustn’t run with scissors. They might both be true but bear no resemblance to each other. Race is not behavioural, you are born into it. All acts are behavioural as is everything you choose to do. By your own logic heterosexual acts are behavioural too, and yet you place greater importance on them?

      Surely the correct way to say what I think you are trying to say is that sexual congress is a chosen activity which in a heterosexual couple may result in a child. Sexual congress between homosexuals cannot result in a child. Who you are attracted to is as out of your control as breathing and therefore cannot be deemed as behavioural, whether you choose to sleep with them or not.

  15. Comparing the metropolitan’s elite desire for same-sex ‘marriage’ with the black civil rights movement is a massive insult .The C of E has not got a good track record about marriage – it was founded by Henry VIII after all ! If M.L.King was alive today he’d be getting hate mail from the rainbow fascist diversity brigade and be getting called a ‘homophobe’ for believing marriage is the union of one man and one woman .

    1. Are you God, or just Mystic Meg?

  16. Dr Vivian Ibekwe 31 May 2013, 11:06am

    Bishop Salisbury appears unsure of his position as a church priest. The Bible which is his reference book has clear instructions about homosexuality. It is unfortunate that he is choosing to abstain from upholding the truth. This questions his suitability to hold the office of a bishop in the church of God.

    1. Apart from the fact there is nothing about homosexuality per se in the bible, the “instructions” you refer to (which are very far from clear) are no more stringent than a great many others that are routinely ignored: do you yourself shun shellfish, mixed-fibre clothes, spectacles yourself? Do you refuse to recognise divorce? I think we should know, o good ‘doctor’.

      (PS: Bishop of Salisbury, or Bishop Holtam if you must, not ‘Bishop Salisbury’.)

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