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Lauryn Hill condemned for ‘homophobic’ lyrics on new track

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  1. WTF? Pink News article highlights song that has been condemned for its homophobia, then includes a link thereby generating airplay. Surely the most effective way of dealing with “artists” like Hill is to ignore them?

  2. GulliverUK 29 May 2013, 3:12pm

    I’m sorry, I don’t know who this person is :D But I condemn her anyhow. :)

    1. Midnighter 29 May 2013, 6:15pm

      If I remember correctly the Fugees were the lot who took a number of old classics and talked all over them.

      As I recall back in 96 it was considered somehow innovative to repeatedly drone “one time” over “Killing Me Softly with His Song”. I always thought that they could have saved themselves some studio time and recorded my old Nana while she was doing the housework with the radio on.

  3. This is just not acceptable. I hoped all this homophobia had stop once the dance hall artist were affected financially by the work of various gay groups.

    If this was a white person singing these lyrics about a person of colour im sure there would be a backlash, and righty so.

    We don’t want to hear people spreading their hate of others and influencing others in this way surely.

    Mind you she a old lag with convictions

    1. burningworm 31 May 2013, 11:02am

      What hate is she spreading? She is speaking of neurosis, it is you by way of this article that takes her lyrics literally.

      ‘If this was a white person singing these lyrics about a person of colour im sure there would be a backlash, and righty so.’ What does that even mean. She isn’t talking about white people but all people. This comments makes me think that you don’t realise that you are also a race, also a construction of that race.

  4. This doesn’t surprise me. This coming from a women who a few years ago supposedly said that she’d rather have her children starve then a white person buy her album (something she denied saying).

    Lauryn Hill is known for having some very radical Black Power and Orthodox Christian views, she’s even married to one of Bob Marley’s sons. So it comes as no surprise to me that she might have some homophobic views aimed at the LGBTQ community.

    1. That first bit is actually completely false, as proven by several sources, including Snopes. She never said anything of the sort, and by continually restating those false statements, it’s just making it worse.

      1. burningworm 31 May 2013, 11:04am

        Applaud applaud.

        And still the truth gets thumbs down.

  5. The song has a lot of wisdom in it – but among all the societal malaise that she condemns there’s a clear linking of blending gender boundaries – transvestism, “girl men” etc being included as a social ill which them makes the other lyrics – about depravity and turning from the godhead far more sinister as well

    1. Midnighter 29 May 2013, 5:48pm

      Turning from what now?

      1. nixiotemba 30 May 2013, 3:01pm

        a goathead

    2. pseuds corner eat yer heart out. begs the question why she should pin such malaise (a conceit of religion, i’m sure!) to a portion of society who are just trying to make the most of what they are. personally i’d rather not be judged by a whiney-voiced, tax-evading, non-entity media whore.

      1. bulls eye! xxx

  6. In her defence I can totally see why she would object to having her tax dollars used to further LGBT rights….

    OH WAIT – she didn’t pay her taxes! What was that about the moral decline of society again?!?!

    And this ‘song’ is awful. I used to like her stuff but this is beneath her on all counts.

    Weak.

    1. Here’s some examples of the strides that the Hip Hop community is making in terms of a shift in perspective:

      http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1704448/gay-rights-hip-hop-jay-z-asap-rocky-macklemore.jhtml

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlVBg7_08n0

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwTSPcNSi40

      The last one’s depressing actually but things are definitely improving. Lauryn Hill is just showing how outmoded and outdated she is.

      1. Midnighter 29 May 2013, 5:47pm

        Thanks for the links Gareth. More excellent contributions :)

  7. The use of the word blasphemed tells me all I need to know.

    Another bigot who has lost her way in the industry and is trying to use us to get some publicity.

    That’s another one off my Christmas card list.

    Damn I can’t enjoy Sister Act 2 now either.

  8. Doctor Mod 29 May 2013, 4:27pm

    Lauren Hill, your “Miseducation” is showing.

  9. Robert in S. Kensington 29 May 2013, 4:34pm

    Wait for the “I have gay friends” mantra. Vile creature!

    1. I bet that’s the title of her next single

  10. I’m sure hill was just being homophobic, but drag queens (as opposed to trans people) ARE a negative part of society… If white men dressing up as parodies of black men is not ok then why is men who don’t find women attractive dressing up as grotesque parodies of femininity ok?

    I’m sure this will earn me plenty of thumbs down and ‘but it’s gay culture’ comments (like that means anything)… but someone explain to me in what way it is not misogynistic?

    1. So is it ok for men who do find women attractive to dress up to look like them??

      1. Not if they are dressing up to parody them.

        1. Not even if it is funny and the women have no issue with it?

          Not even if it is in the name of political satire? Farce? Pantomime?

    2. Hahaha… Just as I thought… Tons of thumbs down straight away but seemingly nobody able to explain why drag is any different to the black and white minstrels.

      I’ll concede that some drag is more tasteful than others, but it’s generally based on a grotesque, misogynistic parody

      1. dragdragdrag 29 May 2013, 5:19pm

        so how would YOU like us to conform?

        1. Midnighter 29 May 2013, 5:46pm

          nice :)

        2. Tom Katsumi 30 May 2013, 10:24am

          Really? So you can’t criticise sexism in case people think you just want them to conform? Isn’t that the typical homophobes argument? Couldn’t Lauryn Hill say “ok, so how would YOU like me to conform when writing lyrics”.

          Still nobody’s explained how it’s different from blackface and the black and white minstrels…

          Thumb me down all you want but I’m more interested in a coherent argument.

          1. The difference being that in the one case homophobic offence is a predictable outcome, and on the other you are making as yet unfounded assumptions of offence regarding those who like to dress up as women to entertain, or to be entertained by said individuals. Lauryn Hill has plenty of data to make her decision differently, whereas it comes as a surprise to some of us here to learn that there may be a general problem with women reacting badly to drag queens. Thus by way of a reaction, the comment is challenging your apparent desire to censure those individuals or their audiences without justification.

            I have given you some reasons why there are differences below. In summary, “widespread outrage amongst the affected community in the one case, versus a lack thereof in the case of the drag queens.”

            Re thumbs – thank you, but I believe those who follow the way of the thumb have already expressed themselves sufficiently.

    3. Midnighter 29 May 2013, 5:45pm

      A lot of the guys who do that actually hero(ine)-worship the women their characters are based upon. Far from a cruel parody it is often a case of imitation being the sincerest form of flattery.

      In the case where it is a parody, why do you feel the humour is necessarily negative?

      You might perhaps argue that drag queens play into stereotypes that may or may not have a negative contribution to the perception of “the LGBTIQxyz community” … but you haven’t done that.

      1. Tom Katsumi 30 May 2013, 10:34am

        Well I wouldn’t argue that because it’s a totally separate issue.

        Don’t you think the black and white minstrels could also claim to be imitating as flattery? It really depends upon what women think in the end.

        I conceded that some is worse than others, but the majority of drag relies on ‘little Britain’ style grotesques, whether you agree that it’s misogynistic or not I think ignoring the question and screaming about conformity does us no favours.

        If it’s not misogynistic then we need to be able to justify that… Thumbing me down on here isn’t an argument. If it’s different to the black and white minstrel show, or straight people doing over the top grotesque impressions of gay people for laughs, we need to be able to explain why simply and logically.

        1. The controversy with the minstrels was not simply because the act and make up were negatively stereotypical of an entire race, but because of the context of extensive racism at the time. The show took elements of black culture and not using black performers, whilst at the same time reinforcing negative stereotypes of black culture. Unlike drag acts, this was beamed into homes in family viewing slots when you had a choice of 3 channels. This was thus a much bigger and more complex scenario than guys dressing up as divas in specialist clubs. Unlike the minstrels, I have yet to hear evidence that a majority of women (or even some parodied divas) find this offensive.

          If you accuse drag artists of misogyny then you must apply the same scrutiny to pantomime dames, or the millennia old practice of boys acting female parts in theatre.

          Since you are making the claim, on what evidence do you conclude that such acts are “generally based on a grotesque, misogynistic parody” ?

  11. Kerry Hollowell 29 May 2013, 6:08pm

    Transvestism is the act of cross-dressing. She is continuing the theme of people hiding their evils by “dressing” them up in something acceptable.
    “social transvestism”
    but I don’t get her dig at drag queens

  12. Sister Mary Clarence 29 May 2013, 6:34pm

    Not quite sure what she is getting at, but if a $1.8 million tax fraudster is going to attempt to take the moral high ground over us I’m afraid she’s sh1tting in her own packed lunch really.

    Not just here but wherever this story is picked up you can bet your last tax dollar (well not you Lauren – for obvious reasons) that it will be accompanied by details of her fiddling the IRS.

    Should really be thinking about things a little bit more these days Lauren, really you should.

  13. Society at risk from Drag Queens? Surely convicted criminals are far more of a threat to civilised society?! Ghastly woman, not only racist but homophobic as well.

  14. Another racist homophobe, I stopped reading halfway through as it’s so predictable with these people.

  15. She ought to star paying her taxes and stupid lyrics like this wont help her to do that!

  16. A christian? Avoiding taxes that could feed the poor? Not to mention why she’s not doing it herself….Christ supposedly said to give one’s half riches to the poor…Oh she just chose to hate lgbts, instead!!!

  17. How ironic that she’s been in prison for tax evasion, yet there she is singing about greedy drag queens. Stupid talentless cow.

  18. Miguel Ravago 30 May 2013, 9:42pm

    This person just keeps putting her foot in her mouth, and this has done it for me. I am sure she is getting all she wants which is a loser!!!

  19. burningworm 31 May 2013, 10:58am

    Having followed Lauryn Hills career with enthusiasm and zest I whole heartedly refute the claim that her lyrics are homophobic.

    The entire song is about neurosis and the comments on this page seem to follow the tract of the song.

    To extract a line, and to claim that she is being homophobic is absurd.

    ‘Children it’s a shake down
    They’re just looking for a sacrifice’

    1. I agree. The replies here are just what youd expect.

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