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Labour fear late night House of Lords vote could threaten equal marriage bill

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  1. Yet again, UN-ELECTED government cronies, landed gentry and religious leaders are meddling with legislation introduced by our ELECTED representatives. It’s a disgrace that we lecture the world on the merits of ‘democracy’ while contining to allow this situation to continue. The House of Lords should be abolished and we should moveour legislature out of the stone age and into the 21st century.

    1. Midnighter 29 May 2013, 7:06pm

      Absolutely. One can only hope that should they vote against the bill or unduly delay it against the democratic will that it will provide the last straw of evidence for the case for abolishing the institution.

    2. Kerry Hollowell 29 May 2013, 7:35pm

      and the bishops should be kicked out too, religious meddlers in civil matters just isn’t right

  2. Robert in S. Kensington 29 May 2013, 7:08pm

    This explains why there has been so much silence coming from the C4M bunch and their colleagues at CI, Christian Concern, Anglican Mainstream and SPUC. They’ve bombarded the Lords with a lot of hateful mail knowing they have a lot of supporters. You can bet every opponent will turn up.

    Why they have to debate so late in the day makes no sense. Perhaps its deliberate, I don’t know.

    They shouldn’t be allowed to damage a bill after a resounding favourable result in the Commons. If more turn up against it than those in support, then we can kiss it goodbye if it means the Parliament Act can’t be invoked for whatever reason.

    We’ll never get it passed if the worst case scenario happens and the government doesn’t resort to the PA. This is not democracy in my view.

    1. Midnighter 29 May 2013, 8:17pm

      I have always tried to take individual Christians on merit rather than judge them prejudicially on the basis of my own strong views on religion. Campaigns by these Christian groups have all but destroyed my good will and tolerance, and with their authoritarian bigotry and anti-democratic actions there seems nothing to distinguish them from the likes of the Taliban.

    2. You are probably right, but surely most members of the HoL will know what these people are like and how they operate?

  3. Robert in S. Kensington 29 May 2013, 7:10pm

    Lord Dear should be booted out, putting down a ‘fatal motion’ indeed, playing with our lives and rights of all things. Bloody bigot.

  4. Robert in S. Kensington 29 May 2013, 7:11pm

    It’s also interesting that Dear states that he expects the vote to be close. So would that mean he’s implying it may well pass? Who cares if it’s not a landslide as long as it goes through even by one vote.

  5. Robert in S. Kensington 29 May 2013, 7:17pm

    Not surprised by who signed the letter. They’ll go to any lengths to defeat this bill but I’m hoping it will fire back on all of them.

  6. Robert (Kettering) 29 May 2013, 7:36pm

    Hateful and spiteful UNELECTED homophobic bigots who will be proved to be on the WRONG side of history eventually.

    Time the Lords was abolished and replaced with an ELECTED Chamber, that’s if we must indeed have a Second Chamber as there is no real need for one these days?

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 29 May 2013, 7:54pm

      I’m all for abolishing it. Having an elected chamber would probably see the end of the Parliament Act. It’s a catch 22 situation. New Zealand functions admirably without the Lords very well indeed.

  7. Watch out – Unchristian Concern are emailing all their supporters and asking them to write LOTS of letters to peers. They’ve even provided a template letter and a list of peers, plus instructions on what to do and how to hand-write some letters for maximum impact, etc.

    Evil, scheming bigots. They should get their noses out of civil matters.

    Write to every peer you can to support equal marriage and offset the campaign of co-ordinated hate from the bigots. What nasty, nasty people.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 29 May 2013, 7:51pm

      For what it’s worth, here’s one link you can use but hardly any of them respond and it’s a bit late in the game. The opposition have been very mobilized since the second reading in a hateful letter and email campaign to the Lords. We haven’t!

      Out of 750-800+ Peers, 80 have signed up to speak in opposition. What does that say for the rest who may be well in the majority in support? They should all be forced to turn up. If only the bigots appear, then we’ve lost. About time this bloody feudal anachronistic body were abolished. The government had better use the Parliament Act if they have to.

      http://www.writetothem.com/lords

      1. They are NOT all in opposition! A simple read-through of the names will show a lot of pro-Bill peers are determined to have their say.

        Yes, there are a lot of bigots in the Lords – there are also a lot of decent, progressive peers who will support this Bill with all their might.

        1. Robert in S. Kensington 29 May 2013, 9:51pm

          Sasha, I admire your confidence and I personally believe it may well succeed even in a close vote. I get dismayed when I read some of these articles of gloom and doom. Then I think back to February 5th and May 20th and 21st when people of a similar mindset were making the same specious arguments against the bill only to be blown out of the water with two huge votes in favour. Then I take comfort from MPs such as Mike Freer who told me that he thinks it will get through. I’ll be happy if just one vote manages to get it passed.

      2. Thanks, Robert :) I really hate the fact that the Lords can potentially interfere like this. I only hope the “decent, progressive peers” Sasha mentions outweigh the bigots.

        1. Robert in S. Kensington 30 May 2013, 11:42am

          Holding my breath, Iris!

  8. Godric Godricson 29 May 2013, 8:03pm

    The Bill is having some unintentional outcomes. Parliamentary process is having the effect of flushing out all the homophobes as they make one last bid for victory. All the old lies are collectively being seen for what they are. Institutions such as the House of Lords are looking more undemocratic than ever and the rural Tories are being seen as the last gasp of the old world. The bill may not get through although in the final analysis we now understand our enemies even better and we know what they’ll do to ‘keep us in our place’. We have seen the lack of inhibitions demonstrated by homophobes when it comes to social exclusion.

  9. “Labour has warned a 2am vote could be “very risky” as frail and elderly peers, as well as those who live far away from Parliament, may not be able to turn up to vote in favour of the bill.”

    Surely that’s very good news indeed, because the elderly, frail country ones are far more likely to vote against the bill than the (relatively) young metropolitan ones?

    1. Commander Thor 29 May 2013, 8:55pm

      I don’t think so…the old bigots will turn up to vote, even if it means they’ll die of old age or cold – when they die, they are going to heaven, afterall.

      1. Midnighter 29 May 2013, 9:12pm

        Well that’s some consolation, anyway ;-)

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 29 May 2013, 9:46pm

      Actually, Gerry you make a very good point. It could well be to our advantage.

  10. That would be appalling, both for democracy and ultimately the HoL. as well.

  11. i thought it was going to go on for 3 days???

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 30 May 2013, 11:44am

      I think they’re meeting again on 17th and 19th of June.

  12. Frail and elderly peers should not even be in this house. Come to think of it, none of them should seeing as they are not elected

  13. Robert in S. Kensington 30 May 2013, 11:48am

    This is where they’re getting most of their mendacious information from. This ugly harridan and her C4M/CI colleagues have been uber active in an email and letter writing campaign aimed at the Lords over the past few months.

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