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US gay Catholic priest: ‘I can’t reconcile my silence as a gay priest, with anti-gay Catholic teaching’

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  1. I’m always amazed at why gay men and women join organisations that despise them. I’m this guy’s age, went to catholic schools and it was made blatantly clear from day one that we simply aren’t welcome. So actively seeking membership to such an organisation is, simply put, bizarre.

    1. Perhaps at an earlier time would it have been useful in avoiding that “have you not met a nice young lady yet” question? Or at least that could have been regarded by some as one of the perks of the calling?

    2. Deus caritas est 29 May 2013, 5:43am

      It’s inaccurate to suggest that we as homosexuals are not welcome. There are- I admit – some witching the Church that would not extend that welcome, but the love and grace and beauty and family unity under the Church is undeniable.

      People choose this path because it is a beautiful thing to answer God’s call. It is difficult to accept the Ordinary Magesterium but we must.

      I don’t doubt this man has struggled but I also suggest he should not have disclosed himself. He chose to take a vow of celibacy therefore it’s a pointless exercise.

      Also; he’s not the first!

      1. Midnighter 29 May 2013, 2:39pm

        A laudable sentiment. It remains the Church leadership who generate the ill feeling and backlash by their messages of hate.

        In contrast to the leaders, polls have shown UK Catholics number a great many supporters of LGBT rights (a YouGov poll a couple of years ago showed only 11% felt homosexuality was immoral, and 41% supported the celebration of same sex relationships).

        If you haven’t already, I recommend having a read of Catholic theologian and priest Hans Küng who feels the leadership are a bunch of “yes men” lead by a dictatorial institution with parallels to Nazism. He was quoted in the Guardian as calling for reform and saying:

        “The unconditional obedience demanded of bishops who swear their allegiance to the pope when they make their holy oath is almost as extreme as that of the German generals who were forced to swear an oath of allegiance to Hitler.”

        1. Midnighter 29 May 2013, 6:10pm

          This was meant to address your later comment, regarding the point you made about tolerance, apologies.

        2. Deus caritas est 29 May 2013, 8:52pm

          Not a fan of Kung.

          1. You aren’t a fan of theologians who put their duty to witnessing the truth before toeing the church’s party line. Neither was Benedict. It is surprising he didn’t excommunicate Hans. We’ve yet to see about Francis, who, while a homophobe and a misogynist, does like to condemn institutional corruption. He may get his house in order soon enough for the next fella to wear the hat to be more representative.

          2. A curiously dismissive response. Perhaps you were too busy to write more, but it does read like apathy to me. You recognise there are “some witching the Church” – yet if the significant numbers I cite were to make their voices heard, the “some” would be drowned out, surely?

            The net result is that the spokespeople for your religion continue to spread hatred which you and others ostensibly disagree with but tacitly accept, which is Küng’s point. Perhaps therein lies your issue with his philosophy; it rocks the boat.

  2. You’re a man of integrity and will make some utterly toxic enemies so I wish you all the luck in the world.

  3. “lack of love” seems to hit the nail on the head as far as I can see.

  4. Straitjacket 28 May 2013, 10:14pm

    And it’s taken him how many years to reach this decision?

  5. Some people do have a strong calling to their faith, so to suggest such people should renounce their faith comes perilously close to saying us gay people should renounce our sexuality. Yes, I know sexuality isn’t a choice and religion essentially is, but surely we must recongnise that for some faith is a natural calling, why should they be obliged to make a choice between their sexuality and their faith. They shouldn’t.

    1. Deus caritas est 29 May 2013, 5:49am

      You make sense sir!

      I personally feel that being Catholic is into DNA, just as is my sexuality. Sure I’ve struggled – still do – between the two. Nonetheless, both are of equal importance to who I am. I say this in the hope that people may understand to be more tolerant to the Church. Many here want unequivocal tolerance yet make sweeping – often hurtful – statements about the Church and her members.

      Tolerate if you expect it back!

      Not you, however; you seem to get it.

      1. Christopher Coleman 29 May 2013, 4:46pm

        Yes, intolerance breeds intolerance. However, the original intolerance is that of the Church. Religions are conservative and unbending because they believe they represent the Word of God. That they might be wrong cannot occur to them, as it would invalidate their existence. Although many members of religions hold views that differ from the leadership’s, Church leaders are obliged to hold the official views, regardless of their personal beliefs. Very difficult and, in the end, unhelpful to themselves and the people they serve.

        Jesus said the religion was made for man. Indeed! That means that religious expression has to change with society, if it is to be useful to society. Religions hold that God and His laws are unchanging. But the world keeps changing. Is God no longer there? If people are less tolerant of religion now, the Churches have only themselves to blame. Both message and manner are not those of the gospels.

        I was schooled by Jesuits who encouraged argument.

  6. I doubt that Gary Meier is saying anything that hasn’t already been said by Fr. John J. McNeill, sj —-

  7. For those on here who follow a dogma and are trying to justify it – remember – we gays want simply equality in all aspects of life – nothing more. It’s religious dogma that tries to inhibit this. So, please don’t see this as gays taking a cheap swipe at religious institutions – it’s a defence mechanism when we are attacked which is constantly. So, love your god, but don’t try to side with those who want to do us harm.

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