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France: Violent anti-equal marriage protesters clash with riot police in Paris

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  1. Jane McQueen 27 May 2013, 12:43am

    Ahh but we hear Christians are not the violent ones, it’s only Islam that is violent. Christians are all peaceful and loving.

    1. In an Islamic country gay people would be EXECUTED.
      In many Christian countries gay people are legally protected and in some of them equal marriage is performed and recognised.

      So don’t you dare compare the two when it comes to gay rights.

      1. Beelzeebub 27 May 2013, 9:07am

        Indeed.

        Both cults wish to prevent gays having rights.

        1. OK, be ignorant and pretend you don’t know what I’m talking about.
          When Sharia vigilante groups start murdering gay people in muslim neighbourhoods in Britain, you idiots will eat your own words.

          1. Some one seems like a sore loser. Why would any sane person be so happy to have anyone eat their own words as a result of murder.

            Please seek therapy and deep contemplation about the mental constructs you accept within yourself.

          2. It’s not ignorance or delusion but if it was for the Catholic Church or the Church of England homosexuality would still be a crime and gay people would be hiding or in prison. This was a fact in the UK not so long ago…
            Just go and talk to the bigots in the high places at the CC or CoE, they will tell you how it is.

      2. Rollingstone 27 May 2013, 9:14am

        There are no Christian countries, there are countries that have Christians in them, unfortunately, as well as other religious delusionals who are holding propensitites.in various degrees to be violent. Christianity and its adherents hold a two thousand years history of extremely violent conduct to any group or individual perceived to be in opposition to its beliefs, so no surprises here then are there?

      3. Jane McQueen 27 May 2013, 10:02am

        Would those be nations like Nigeria, Kenya, Jamaica and Barbados for example? Where Nigeria homosexuality is punishable by death and the other imprisonment?

        1. No, it would be Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen.
          Not to mention that in all other muslim majority countries (including Pakistan, Bangladesh and Turkey, the home countries of over 2 million of British muslims), honour killings of gay people are still widely practised despite the fact homosexuality is not a capital crime there.
          And if you’re interested in what they teach btitish muslims in “moderate british mosques, you may want to see this video:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njRKaX0ORuI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

          1. Jane McQueen 27 May 2013, 10:49am

            So you are saying in Christian Nations that homosexuality is embraced and welcomed? And none of them punish it at all?

          2. Alex, why are you ignoring the facts you’ve already been given?

            All the countries that were listed to you are majority Christian and impose severe punishments and social penalties on homosexuality. Your response is a complete straw-man, a red herring to distract us from the original topic: the hatred of Christianity towards LGBTs.

            As you seem to need it spelled out, the rights of LGBTs in Christian countries is very much IN SPITE of christianity.

            Just because there are a whole load of OTHER nutters out there doesn’t erase Christianity’s record as a primary source of anti-gay hatred.

          3. GingerlyColors 27 May 2013, 3:59pm

            The video has been blocked on copyright grounds.

      4. Alex- The Catholic Church The Eastern Othordox AND the Traditional Muslims all have a track record in violence and fomenting hate of gay people and subjectation and disrespect for women, turning a blind eye to the damage they create even in their own communities they all have have blood on their hands.
        Civilisation only advances when large numbers of people reject these mysognist and fascist fools.
        The “christain” countries that have equal protection laws only enact these when they have taken them selves from under the yoke and domination of religion!! of which ever variety.

      5. NaomiClareNL 27 May 2013, 5:45pm

        Oh dear Alex…

        By christian countries I presume you meant countries like the Netherlands and not necessarily Uganda and the like?
        Back in 2001, when the Netherlands opened up marriage to same sex couples, this was made possible because the christian democrats WERE NOT in power… Ditto euthanasia.

        To this day, christians who regularly go to church (defined as most sundays) are amongst the groups that accept LGBT people the least here in the Netherlands.
        Moreover, our current liberal-labour coalition government does not have a majority in the 1e Kamer (Senate or upper house of our parliament). This means that at times they are dependent on a small very orthodox christian party and they have been making noises about not getting anything in return for their support. This party want some of the latest LGBT progress undone (mainly adoption stuff).

    2. Christians are very violent, though usually passively violent but violent still the same, until the end of the game when their frustration and anger gets the best of them. Granted they like to be cowards and stand to the side-lines to egg people on, even their silence and non-preventative action when violence occurs is actual participation in it.

      Illusions and delusions need great defence to be maintained; they will do anything to protect them when they are crumbling at their feet. The reality is, their faith in false belief are only protected by a thin veil of darkness, which when a light shines on it, it disappears.

    3. Muslim nations are generally more violent towards their LGBT citizens. That’s not an opinion, that’s the way the World is at the moment. LGBT rights in the majority of predominantly muslim countries are 400 years behind what LGBT rights are in the majority of predominantly christian countries.

      I don’t defend chrisitians, I can’t stand either religion, but I know the facts about the islamic world and LGBT rights.

  2. It boggles the mind how this country has been torn apart by a few words….I think the deeper issue is the opportunity for this element of society to protest is about something else, like high unemployment etc…I fail to see how loving marriages and homes can cause such strife. Funny how the one who started this stepped away for fear it might get violent after she threatened it would…throw them all in jail for treason.

    1. It all comes down to power. The more rights and freedoms people gain, the less power the religious bigots have. Their only resources to regain that power are fear and hate; both clearly seen in their protests.

  3. PinkPolitico 27 May 2013, 1:01am

    These anti-gay protesters (including right-wingers in Parliament) have not succeeded in halting equality. All they have caused is a sharp 30% increase in homophobia and violent anti-gay attacks in France. That is their shameful contribution to this debate.

    1. Helge Vladimir Tiller 27 May 2013, 7:55am

      Yes PinkPolitico, this is a shameful contribution to the debate. These persons should read about the past for gay and transgender people- a history so full of suppression and violence. For hundreds of years !! If ordinary, mentally healthy people read this, they would be extremely touched. If this “fascists” do, they will probably cry ice bits. I LOVE GAY AND TRANSGENDER PEOPLE ALL AROUND THE WORLD. THEY ARE MY REAL FAMILY. Due to hardships in the past, I have no contact with my relatives or my family. But, dear friends, I have YOU !

    2. casparthegood 27 May 2013, 8:01am

      But they are “not anti-gay just anti gay marriage and many of them havegay friends” Coff Coff splutter drowns in sarcasm and disbelief.

    3. I read the comments on this note on other sites (e.g. Yahoo!) and they are absolutely filled up with homophobic people, the amount of “likes” when comments about “perverts”, “unnatural” and “lifestyle” are made is painfully incredible. That is why people should keep confronting these wrong ideas wherever and whenever possible.

      1. Yes, Carl, and even on the UK’s Independent paper the number of hateful comments about homosexuality as a perversion, and which ought to be criminalized, is shocking.

        Will it all die down? I hope so.

        But maybe not.

        One thing has occurred to me though: there’s a great many “heterosexual” people out there who are terrified of the legal acceptance of homosexuality because they FEAR their own homosexuality. For years they have repeated, as a mantra, “Homosexuality is a perversion!” in order to keep themselves on “the straight and narrow”. Now with the changes in the law they can’t so easily chant the mantra and they’re challenged to let the “evil beast of homosexuality” loose in themselves!

  4. Not one of these people would have marched against poverty or war, I am pretty certain.

  5. CanadianChris 27 May 2013, 1:35am

    If Hitler saw this, I wonder if he would still have thought of white people as the ‘master race’? Oh…wait…that’s right, he would have loved this. Go protest unemployment, or the kids being raped by priests. Or better yet, rally for all the children in orphanages across Europe that you lot allegedly care about so much. This really has nothing to do with them “wanting the best” for children, it’s just another way for them to make the lives of gay people more difficult. Petty fools.

  6. Uncommon Place 27 May 2013, 2:00am

    Their is an american T.V. show called Scandal and its about when politicians in washington D.C. need to have their scandals cleaned up . Because politicians takes years to build and only seconds to destroy. So good P.R. is necessary to establish yourself when you fall from grace. I believe P.R. “public relations” is needed to build LGBT rights. But you cant force gay rights on people. France took a huge leap for marriage equality. But its not about getting to your destination its about the journey. I believe they moved to quickly when they should of went from region to region with civil union then moved to marriage equality. In reality they should of started with work discrimination rights, housing rights, law’s involving hate crimes. transitioning straight people to understand those common needs of protection could of set a foundation for one day equal marriage. Thats why many straight people feel as if we are invading their space. Think strategy

    1. “work discrimination rights” tick,
      “housing rights” tick,
      “law’s involving hate crimes” tick

      Oh look France have done all that…
      What did you suggest after that? Oh yes “Marriage Equality” TICK
      Those poor straight people.

      This is quite possibly the dumbest comment I’ve ever seen on Pink News. Congratulations that’s quite an achievement considering the competition.

      1. Uncommon Place 27 May 2013, 4:02am

        Joss can you fit that boot more up your ass. I didn’t realize they already have work discrimination rights, housing rights, and laws towards hate crimes. Relax yourself. All you had to say is they did it and move on. Attacking me and calling me dumb makes you look like a fool. I don’t need your childish attitude. If their are 10 of thousands of protestors understand the opposition “In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then in that very moment I also love him. I think it’s impossible to really understand somebody, what they want, what they believe, and not love them the way they love themselves. And then, in that very moment when I love them…. I destroy them.”

        1. Midnighter 27 May 2013, 6:57am

          They’re irrational god-botherers and anti-democratic right-wing troublemakers with ulterior motives.

          Now that you understand them, what is your next move, Ender?

        2. If the amount of information you know about France can be written on the back of a postage stamp, then I suggest before making apologist comments for violent thugs on a public forum, you at least check your facts. You know, before you make yourself “look like a fool”.

          I don’t know how you expect to know the French “enemy”, if you don’t know the first thing about French laws, history or culture.

          1. Well said (again)

    2. That There Other David 27 May 2013, 8:51am

      All of those things you mention have already been in place in France for some time, even a method for same-sex couples to register their relationships as a PACS. So unless you’re posting from 1998 I can’t really see your point.

    3. Sometimes Government has to take a firm lead over public opinion. If public consent had been a factor in 1950 Alabama we would still have segregation.
      Time to move forward decisively. These protesters are just homophobes. GLBT equality does not affect them at all.

    4. Their – Adjective Belonging to
      There – Adverb In, at, or to that place or position

      MORON – Noun A stupid person – imbecile – fool – cretin

      That is all

  7. I am overwhelmed by all that Christian love !!

  8. What the anti-gay movement is doing in France is practically a kind of extortion, of blackmail. “You shouldn’t legalize same-sex marriage and gay adoption because it will have consequences, people will get violent over it. You ask what people ? We. Don’t legalize same-sex marriage and gay adoption or else we themselves will make violent protests, block streets, confront the security forces and cause riots. You the government has to protect the country against ourselves, we are irrational and violent !!”

    1. That There Other David 27 May 2013, 8:55am

      500 people out of a country of 65 million. This is a tantrum, nothing more.

      Seriously, there has been much larger violence when football teams have lost.

  9. Colin (London) 27 May 2013, 6:45am

    Don’t kid yourselves this is the despicable work of the catholic church loud and clear.

    1. Absolutely. Then they can say well, we predicted thus. Despicable.

  10. I think anti-gay is becoming the mantra of the right now-whether here or there.
    They have latched-on to an issue that can get a few disparate right wing groups to unite and protest about. Nigel Farage is just using the issue to gain support for UKIP.

  11. shame !

  12. It’s the French favourite pastime to riot. They’ll even blockade ports because they object to hamburgers and let’s not forget they are on their fifth republic. Sanity will prevail.

    1. de Villiers 27 May 2013, 11:14am

      At least it is a republic without a king or queen.

  13. Jock S. Trap 27 May 2013, 9:18am

    Barjot has asserted that the Government should replace the equal marriage bill, which allows adoption for same-sex couples, with civil unions legislation, omitting the right to adopt.

    So the very thing that was voted in democratically…. The very thing people voted this person in for President…

    The christians want to undo democracy and replace it with a dictatorship, doing what they want as a minority over the majority.

    Just idiots… and it’ll be religion that destroys us all. (If they had their way!)

    1. Organised religion always seeks a theocracy in fact if not in name. It is no better than any other large, wealthy body that uses its power and influence to interfere with democratic processes.

      Terrorism is only one of the more obvious threats to democracy – we shouldn’t forget that there are many who would like to use that threat to mask their own; witness the headlines today about the “snoopers charter”

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22673156

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 27 May 2013, 12:42pm

      I thought the French already had civil unions, PACS? Isn’t her surname ‘Barjot’ French slang for ‘idiot’?

  14. Curious how these religious folk can get so worked up about the prospect of two consenting adults getting married yet remain so laissez-faire when it comes to the thousands of child abuse allegations within their own church.

  15. And yet we are supposed to be th aggressive ones!

  16. de Villiers 27 May 2013, 11:19am

    This is more than gay marriage. The demonstrations are against the government and the failure of France in the world. The gay marriage is the focal point.

    It is not as bad as the vote on the Europe – but that was defeated because the electors were against the government.

    I can understand the demonstrations at the direction of France – the country is economically bankrupt, the Union Européenne has said it will take steps contrary to the France and the current government really is amateur. Hollande has the lowest ratings of any French President.

    Still, the right have chosen the wrong measure on which to demonstrate. This law grants equality and costs nothing. The UMP should really examine themselves closely and be sorry for their agitations.

  17. It is so sad to see a country like France that has given so much to the world in a state like this. This is not the France I know.

  18. Some perspective here –

    65.43 million (2011)
    France, Population

    Anti gay marriage rioters approx 150,000

    conclusion a minority of bigoted hate filled – ‘people’ who are frightened because they invest in superstition and not fact!

    Pathetic

    1. Quite. The point has been made about football riots. Most likely the same right-wing individuals involved as were present in Paris previously claiming to be football fans http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGSrMT9cEf4

  19. The anti-SSM expressions both here and in France at this time are nothing other than expressions of hatred of homosexual people, never mind transgender or intersex people.

    150,000 hate-filled people on the streets of Paris is only a slight proportion of the French population, but for every one of those homosexual-haters there’s at least another seething person watching from home, and at least a few more disapproving of homosexual people if not seething.

    It is not an exaggeration to suggest that all homosexual people should take these expressions of hatred very seriously. On the whole Europe is turning towards the conservative right, and in some places towards the extreme right.

    WE MUST NOT BE PASSIVE.

    WHERE ARE OUR COUNTER-DEMONSTRATIONS?

    We will not have to march alone. We have 100s of 1000s of heterosexual supporters.

  20. Robert in S. Kensington 27 May 2013, 12:49pm

    What is so disturbing is that a right wing institute by the name of ‘Civitas’ has the support of a lot of younger people demanding a catholic theocracy in France. Look at the faces among the 150,000. A lot of them are young and I don’t mean children.

    About time the more enlightened among the French people take a stand and target the catholic hierarchy who are the instigators of these demonstrations and responsible for fomenting the violence by their hateful words and admonitions.

  21. How surprising that we are looking towards France as a country which is evidently still dominated by religion, uptight about (gay) sex, plagued by strikes, and full of despair about its declining place in the world. Could have been Britain a few decades ago… Wonder if they will start drinking warm beer and eating fish+chips next…

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 27 May 2013, 3:13pm

      Odd isn’t it for a country with no state cult and all marriages are civil, where homosexuality has been legal since 1791. As bad as we think we have it here even with a state cult, I think we do a lot better. Even our own equal marriage debate comparatively hasn’t been as nasty and provocative to incite massive street demonstrations and violence and could have been a lot worse. The pathetically miniscule turn out by the god botherers outside of Parliament last Monday and Tuesday is evidence that they are a small vocal minority. It seems that praying away the gay bill hasn’t worked well for them. Perhaps the spurious, mendacious nonsense coming from the opposition is working in our favour?

  22. Christopher Coleman 27 May 2013, 4:00pm

    Human beings feel safer if they are part of a group. The larger the group, the safer they feel. Being part of a majority also seems to make people believe that everyone else belonging to a minority is somehow inferior. When minorities are granted equal rights, the majority has no longer any claim to superiority. Each person is now just an equally vulnerable individual. This lies at the heart of the antagonism to gay rights. These people are pathetic. They are also dangerous, because they place themselves in a situation that makes them like a cornered wild animal.

  23. Thank god for secular government. :D

  24. On the other hand 27 May 2013, 5:01pm

    I wonder who paid for all those US NOM-style flags.

  25. “a last ditch attempt to influence the French Government into reconsidering the bill”… I think that ship has sailed.

    Anyway, 150,000 people, even a million, in a country of over 60 million people cannot determine the political agenda.

    Hollande was elected with marriage equality featuring prominently in his political manifesto and the majority of French people are shown by polls to be (even if marginally) in favour of marriage equality.

    The law was passed and signed.

    What are we still talking about? These are just a handful of violent protesters taking advantage of a slightly larger number of people who are opposed to the law that’s been passed.

    Move on… nothing more to see here.

  26. ‘Anti-equal’ marriage as opposed to ‘equal marriage’ – the distortion of language is Orwellian to say the least. .Marriage is the union of one man and one woman – always has been.Call your so-called ‘equal marriage’ gayriage or homoriage (or better Haemorrhage).Male and male , female and female can not be in union – it is a physical impossibility , can’t be consummated , is not unitive – a distorted act as far removed from sex as putting toast in one’s armpit and calling it ‘eating’ (or ‘equal eating’) .Gay sex is a oxymoron – it’s not sex, but a perversion .Just as arm pit ‘eating’ won’t nourish you – disordered acts will remain purposeless and sterile .You can’t compare this as ‘equal’ to married couples .

  27. Not a surprise that anti-gay groups are violent thugs.

  28. Canada had nothing like this nonsense during the debates and court cases surrounding same-sex marriage.

    Eight years on ( ten years in some provinces ) things have gone along quite nicely. Economy is good, sky hasn’t fallen, a chicken in every pot.
    OECD ranks as one of the best off countries on Earth.

    So much for the doomsayers.

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