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Maria Miller: Civil partnership amendment could delay same-sex marriage bill by two years

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  1. Why would it cause such a delay?

    Given how quickly other countries have enacted equal marriage, I’m struggling to see why the process is taking so long here anyway…

    1. Politics. And the pandering to the bigots at the core of the Tory party (did I say the magic words to get our resident apologist to come back, wet her pants and have a bit of a cry over how mean we are to call out bigots AS bigots?)

      The core is bigoted. This would be a pander to them by opportunist spineless dimwits – hatred is so cheap and easy to play to.

    2. GingerlyColors 20 May 2013, 6:43pm

      If a week in politics is a long time then the government has had more than enough time to introduce gay marriages. Most other countries did not pussyfoot around as much.

  2. Civil Partnership should be torn up and tossed in the garbage where it belongs. It is an unequal mechanism, created out of whole cloth to demonstrate to LGBT people that they were lesser. Separate but equal is never equal.

    To snivel and have a blub over straight people lacking equality when they are denied something that is UNequal at the core is a sick joke, and is dumb activists on our side playing right into the hands of the hateful.

    And let me remind people – We don’t NEED Civil Partnership. All it does it re-inforce the belief that marriage has an inherently religious basis, which is an abject lie. People are just as married on the penalty spot at Old Trafford with a celebrant dressed as Cantona as they are in Westminster Cathedral with a bishop. There is your bloody “Civil Partnership”. This is a smokescreen and a delaying tactic. Stop pandering to it.

    1. I agree 100%, I’ve been saying this for some time.
      Civil Partnerships should be time limited for automatic convertion to Civil Marriage and a duplicate Civil Marriage Certificate issued automatically [and free of charge] after a period of say 4 years, if the couple have not already up-graded their status to Marriage. The respective certificate collected on application to the original CP registrar.
      Civil Marriage will become the de-facto standard, no religious conotations whatever.

  3. The added clauses Etc will delay it like the homophobes want, this isn’t about hetero equality but yet another way to stop equality for marriage. I hope it fails for those reasons

    1. Tim Loughton, the amendments proposer has already admitted this publicly.

      He has no interest in straight CP’s.

      Only in F\/ckin up the equal marriage bill.

      Little bigoted christian sh!t that he is.

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 20 May 2013, 1:13pm

        I’m not defending bigot Loughton, but in one of two heated emails he sent me, he said he supported CPs for straights during the legislative process in 2004/5. What I question is, if he is so for straights having them, why didn’t he start a campaign to expand them in a separate bill? Why now. The answer is, he wants what Maria Miller has indicated, a delay, and ultimately, defeat of the bill. Delay meaning until after the election in 2015 which is what the Tory opposition have wanted all along.

        1. Maybe he just said it to try and persuade you that CPs weren’t the ‘back of the bus’ option? Or maybe he wants marriage to belong to religions only?

          I don’t trust the man at all.

  4. Is the Labour really going to support this amendment? What is this, some sort of tactic designed to undermine the PM?
    If this is true they are throwing gay Britons under the bus. I hope is not.
    Sorry for my English.

  5. No-one ever asked gay people whether they wanted CPs, the only reason they exist is to make LGBT people feel inferior and becase lab and libdem MPs were too feeble to stand up to the church back in 2004/5.

    If Lab and LibDem were so keen on straight CPs then why have they waited until now, the morning before the 3rd reading, to start being so righteous about them. They’re just pathetic!

    If these MPs can’t see this amendment as nothing more than a wrecking amendment then they are dafter than I thought. The amendment will not delay the SSM bill ,it will kill it completely.

    As for Maria Miller’s comment “I want to see marriages being undertaken under this bill as early as next summer,” …my question is why should it take yet another yr for us to get married. France passed this SSM well within a year and gay couples are already planning their marriage. What is it with the UK, it seems totally incapable of doing anything quickly.

  6. If Labour support the amendement in favour of opening up Civil Partnerships to heterosexuals then Same Sex Marriage won’t become legal until after the next election. It will potentially require a new consultation and hundreds of extra clauses.
    The homophobes will have won.

    1. Jock S. Trap 20 May 2013, 11:38am

      Yep and hundreds of extra excuses too, no doubt.

  7. The Kitty Channel 20 May 2013, 11:18am

    I hope Labour don’t fall into the trap of supporting this cynical and shameless wrecking amendment.

    1. Jock S. Trap 20 May 2013, 11:39am

      I fear they will and I can’t believe they are really so politically blind to see what’s really happening here.

      1. CH Brighton 20 May 2013, 12:26pm

        Yes and encouraged by Tatchell – who does he represent by the way?

  8. I think we should have a referendum on civil partnerships for opposite sex couples after same sex marriage equality has been legislated for and is a reality.

  9. Jock S. Trap 20 May 2013, 11:35am

    I think this is the intention of those opposed to marriage equality, to delay as much as possible to until they come up with something else to delay equality by.

    Fact is how far behind the rest of the world does our governments want us to be?

    1. Beelzeebub@gmail.com 20 May 2013, 11:53am

      Remember.

      This is our lives these b@stards are playing politics with.

  10. We should all email Labour MPs to urge them not to vote for this amendment but rather to accept the Governments compromise to look att extending or scrapping CPs 5 years aftyer SSM is legal.

  11. same old, same old, bigoted scum.

  12. Robert in S. Kensington 20 May 2013, 11:57am

    If Labour allegedly are supporting it, then the bill is dead. Forget about delaying it two years. Cameron will be gone in 2015 and replaced by an anti equal marriage bigot. More bigots will support the Tories and if they win in 2015, probably wouldn’t need a coalition, kicking equal marriage into the long grass indefinitely or permanently.

    Labour in supporting this amendment wouldn’t be able to use equal marriage as a campaign issue, losing gay voters in the process.

  13. Robert in S. Kensington 20 May 2013, 11:59am

    I can’t believe Ed Miliband would be dumb enough to allow his party to support Loughton’s wrecking amendment either.

  14. In the Netherlands, when equal marriage became law and available… those who had a previous Civil Partnerships were registered and upgraded without all this fuss and nonsense .

  15. Robert in S. Kensington 20 May 2013, 1:18pm

    I’m no fan of CPs and refused to even have one with my partner because we’d already had legal documents drafted long before the legislation of 2004.

    If this amendment passes and it may well happen if Labour are backing it, then for the sake of pragmatism, Maria Miller should accede and allow it if it means safe passage of the bill tomorrow. The review of CPs can still take place five years from now.

    Stupid Labour should have expanded CPs in 2004 when it had the chance and we wouldn’t be having this spiteful amendment or have to contend with Loughton’s antics.

    What’s the betting if the amendment were to fail, hopefully it does, some in the Lords will use it to reject the bill, then we’re back to square one.

  16. Could? Well don’t let it – for Feck sake You are the government Sort it out and stop pandering to bigots and old guard Tories whose impotent rage knows no bounds!

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