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US: Owner of florist sued for refusing same-sex wedding files lawsuit against state

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  1. Liam the God 18 May 2013, 4:25pm

    Whinging bitch. “I want to be able to discriminate in violation of State laws!” seems to be the main argument here. I hope the State throw her case out with prejudice!

  2. Scott Larsen 18 May 2013, 4:28pm

    My former hometown of the Tri-Cities, Washington state. Sadly.

    The woman really doesn’t have that close of relationship with Jesus Christ. If she did, she would know he said, ‘Love thy neighbour.” In Aramaic of course…

  3. Her floral shop isn’t a church, it is a public business and as such is subjugated to state and local laws. In this she is eventually going to lose her counter lawsuit and the initial two against her.

    1. Midnighter 18 May 2013, 6:11pm

      Seems that way to me to; I certainly hope so. Still, its a useful test case in many ways if it helps clarify things for any other bigots out there, they’ll think twice perhaps.

  4. Problem is as it’s the U.S she may be successful in her suit. I hope not though.

    She is being asked to come with state laws not ignore her beliefs which she is entitled to. She should be told to imagine being refused service in other places because of those beliefs then I hope she would see things differently. I doubt it though

  5. Too bad for her that the American Constitution prohibits a person or organization establishing their religion onto the lives of other people.

    1. Midnighter 18 May 2013, 6:09pm

      Isn’t that only applicable to government agencies?

  6. She broke the law. She. broke. the. law. I don’t care what her religious beliefs are. It is illegal to discriminate on people because of their sexual orientation. So-called ‘religious-freedom” isn’t a get-out-of-jail-free card any more, and rightly so.

    1. If her religion says not to have sex outside marriage she shouldn’t become a prostitue. If her religion says don’t sell flowers to gay people, she shouldn’t become a florist!
      Simple really, isn’t it?

  7. David Cary Hart 18 May 2013, 5:33pm

    This has nothing to do with approval or condemnation of the florist’s conduct. While there is some ambiguous language in the state constitution, both the statute and established public policy are clear.

    This idiot violated the law. It’s just the simple. The KKK is a Christian organization as well. We do not allow its members to discriminate either.

  8. Beelzeebub 18 May 2013, 6:00pm

    “Freedom of religion” is not a right to discriminate.

    These people need to learn this and be slapped down under full weight of the law every time they try it.

    They clearly ignore “render unto Caesor” from their own “good” book.

    1. Midnighter 18 May 2013, 6:19pm

      The problem is there is this sense of entitlement amongst these types who think that their right to ‘views’ makes them automatically as good as anyone else’s views (irrespective of facts) and furthermore in the case of the religious they typically feel this gives them a right to impose their views on others.

      Frankly I find such people utterly selfish, deluded and offensive, and yet they can always fall back on ‘religious persecution’ any time you try to push back against it (or just accuse you of being the devil, which I had once at Uni which was hilarious. I’m not, by the way.)

      1. There’s always the old joke:

        How do you make a Christian a martyr?

        You disagree with him.

        1. Liam the God 18 May 2013, 11:42pm

          I like that. Consider it nicked :D

          1. casparthegood 19 May 2013, 9:32am

            ditto

  9. She’s going to lose. You have a public business you must accommodate everyone. Washington state has had human rights legislation for years, this isn’t something new.

  10. what if someone refused to serve black people “because of their religious beliefs” – would she support that?

    1. According to the bibble its OK to keep slaves and to stone to death your adulurtarous wife are they really saying that if its part of their religious beliefs they should be exempt from treating other people badly or even killing them. seriously?

  11. So, does she sell flowers to heterosexual people who are divorced? How about to married men buying flowers for their mistresses? Does she sell flowers to people who have pre-marital sex? Does she sell to Jews, Muslims, Hindus etc. who do a lot of immoral and godless things according to what she believes?

  12. dorset bob 18 May 2013, 9:18pm

    ‘because of her relationship with Jesus Christ’. Someones going to have to tell her he died 2013 years ago. I really thought it was common knowledge.

    1. “About” hardly constitutes an argument though, does it Despairing Keith? Try coming up with some facts if you want an argument.

      1. Don’t recommend what you clearly don’t have, my pet. There is a good deal more than “a couple of years’” discrepancy between the various theories about the purported Jesus of Nazareth’s date of birth, and no consensus. Had you known this you would not have said the above.

  13. Because of course it says very clearly in scripture that thou shalt not provide floral arrangements for gay people…doesn’t it?

    1. Liam the God 18 May 2013, 11:49pm

      Only in one of the more bizarre Apocrypha: St. Fredrick-The-Stoned’s divine revelations of the sacred mushroom: “Thou shalt not make thy floral tributes for those that only munch the pussy”, but the alternative translation is “Fvck me, who else is hungry? Let’s see if we can find a Kebab shop that’s open!”, so there is plenty of leeway.

  14. Sadly the fanatical “christian” bigots in Uganda and Malawi have deviated so far from the teachings of Jesus that they have perverted his word utterly into a message of violence and hatred against the gay minority.

    1. Katie kool-eyes 19 May 2013, 11:10am

      Jesus said nothing in regards to fornication. That’s old testament drivel, not new testament tripe.

      By all means, quote chapter and verse, but please, get it right.

  15. Katie kool-eyes 19 May 2013, 11:04am

    The solution is simple. Do not go into a business where your religious beliefs may come into conflict.

    This case equates a Hindu working in a beef slaughter house, but crying religious rights. It’s ridiculous and has no place in any business

    1. Despairing Keith, it would be equally heartening if you were to acknowledge, in this story about the a part of the USA, that people’s personal choices should not trump the law.

      1. If a person’s conscience is guided by scriptures in languages that person doesn’t even understand, that person is a fool. Either you believe in the rule of law or you don’t. If you don’t – and clearly you don’t, since you consider the delusions of your interpretations more important – you shouldn’t be commenting on whether others in African nations accept homophobic laws or not.

  16. why did you take issue with me using the word about

    It was your argument, not mine, sweetie. You seem to have a great deal of experience when it comes to tosh, The trouble with you is that everything you post is as much tosh as what you posted before.

  17. Spanner1960 21 May 2013, 1:36am

    Oh dear. I fear the first amendment will put pay to that little escapade.

    If the Westboro Baptist Church can peddle their filth and homophobia around America in the name of God, then surely LGBT people have the right to speak freely too.

  18. douglas in canada 22 May 2013, 3:45am

    To follow up on Eugene’s comments, I’d like to see a list of who else is not entitled to her services, based on her relationship with jeezus.

    If gays are the only ones on the list, she’s definitely a bigot and not following
    the law of the land – after all, render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s – straight from her little book of outdated stories. This is a state law – she needs to follow it.

    If her list includes more than gays, I want to know who else she feels compelled to turn away. And I wonder how those people will feel once they find out they’re on a ‘hit’ list of “sorry, I can’t serve you.”

    bigot all the way. and funny how many of them are just plain stupid, to boot.

  19. douglas in canda 22 May 2013, 3:46am

    Oh, and if she were a real christian, and followed the teachings of her precious jeezus, she would have read that in order to get into heaven, she needs to sell all that she has and give it to the poor. Pretty clear statement from the Big Boy himself. Me thinks heaven will be a very lonely place.

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