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Culture Secretary Maria Miller to allow military chaplains to opt out of providing same-sex marriages

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  1. 15 May 2013, 11:24am

    I have absolutely no problem with this.

    The less the god botherers are involved the less excuses they can throw at the legislation in an attempt to stop it.

  2. Jock S. Trap 15 May 2013, 11:25am

    Whatever gets this bill through, love!!

  3. Religions opting out yes – but chaplains are employees of the state. They are paid with tax payer money – they are already covered by the Equality Act which means they cannot discriminate against any other minority

    Why are we always the exception? The minority it’s ok to be bigoted against?

    If they don’t want to be covered by the equality act, fine – but let their churches pay for them, not me. I’m tired of paying taxes to support straight only organisations

  4. Robert in S. Kensington 15 May 2013, 12:05pm

    Totally agree, give them what they want, just get it passed please.

    Now wait for the nutters on the back bench of the Burrowes ilk to chip in. They won’t be satisfied with that either until everyone with religious beliefs in opposition gets the same treatment and exemptions from prosecution as they’d proposed during the committee hearings but thankfully, were all scuttled.

    Now I wonder if Maria Miller is aware of what happened in Brazil yesterday. Another one she can recount next week, hopefully.

    1. Jock S. Trap 15 May 2013, 12:43pm

      Indeed. People like that Burrowes creature would much prefer the whole thing was scrapped, let the religious rule and see us ‘naughty gay people’ back in the labelled box they Think we belong.

  5. Robert in S. Kensington 15 May 2013, 12:07pm

    As more countries introduce equal marriage, the god bothering idiots become weakened in their arguments. That’s what is driving them into hissy fits and histrionics. They’re backs are up against the wall and there’s no way they can change it.

  6. If it gets it through then it’s a concession for the bigots we’ll have to accept.

    But, there shouldn’t be any chaplains paid by the tax payer in hospitals, prisons, universities or the armed forces.

    Should I as a tax payer be able to opt out of funding these bigoted chaplains?

    1. That There Other David 15 May 2013, 12:38pm

      Now there’s an angle that needs investigating.

      “Religion is a luxury a society in austerity cannot afford.”

      Get rid of chaplains and spend the funding keeping some day centres for the elderly open instead. Much better use of public money.

  7. PeterinSydney 15 May 2013, 12:28pm

    Isn’t it funny how Henry VIII set up the Church of England to enable marriage of the divorced. Now they are granting all sorts of exemptions to allow chaplains to not celebrate weddings in the Kingdom of Betty.

  8. Key words in her statement are “In the “unlikely event” “… the unlikely event that a same sex couple is going to chose a prison cell or hospital ward to get married and in the unlikely event they are religious and in the unlikely event the unitarian vicar doesn’t want to do it etc etc….What other unlikely events are the Tory riight and Christians going dream up next!

  9. This ‘gay marriage’ bill is already riddled with little, irritating ‘section 28s’, I guess one more doesn’t make much difference. It will give us something to campaign for after the new act comes into force!

    It ain’t over yet folks!!!

  10. “Culture Secretary Maria Miller to allow military chaplains to opt out of providing same-sex marriages”

    Oh dear, what’s this the present Tory government not supporting our troops? The Sun will be most displeased. Oh hang on, apparently this is okay by the tabloids because it’s ‘just’ not supporting our LGBT troops.

    1. osckar2356 15 May 2013, 2:58pm

      like university chaplains they are state employees, not church employees

  11. Robert in S. Kensington 15 May 2013, 2:01pm

    I just learned that yesterday in Milan, a British man and his Italian partner, both in a CP, have now had their relationship recognised in Milan where the couple now live. That proves just how unequal they are. The rest of Italy doesn’t recognise them. Maria Miller should add that to her records to amplify the deficits within CPs.

  12. osckar2356 15 May 2013, 2:54pm

    Surely the position of being a university chaplain is to be a guide & advisor to students, often hundreds of miles away from home, but I agree with Sparky they are state employees!

  13. If they allow this concession then they should allow military personnel to opt out of fighting overseas in a war they feel it is not justified.

    If chaplains disagree with marriage equality than they should not be employed within state institutions. They should seek employment elsewhere.

  14. If this concession is allowed then military personnel should be allowed to opt out of serving overseas in wars they do not believe are justified.

    If chaplains do not believe in marriage equality they should not be employed in state institutions. They should seek employment elsewhere.

  15. Paul Halsall 17 May 2013, 12:32pm

    Who wants a cleric who objects to equal marriage to conduct the marriage?

    These people are mad.

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