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  1. Jock S. Trap 12 May 2013, 2:30pm

    Christian Concern are such a bore. They act like children, yet hide behind children because they have no knowledge of how to actually use their brains to think for themselves.

    This Bill doesn’t concern anyone unless they Wish to marry, so just as I haven’t got the faintest interest in a extremist christian wedding nor should they be interested in mine.

    Time for the religious to keep their conks out of politics and keep to the laws of the land.

    1. Let them pray. No one is listening. Tehya re already heads out of joint so nothing worse can happen to them.

      Too bad we cant change the law to turn their churches into insane asylums. They remind me of the comment about insanty – they keep doing the same thing and expect a different result.

      the world is changing. Send these bible idiots to where the people live like humanity lived 4000 years ago. Try Borneo – the head hunters will have a feast.

      Or maybe we can talk them into another Jim Jones like happened in guyiana about 25 years ago. They all drank poison to go see god.

      In the USA we have a bunch of these types, some of whom refuse to let their sick kids see a doctor – they pray over them. Then the kid dies and we have to make room in the jail house for them.

  2. There are horror stories reported about homophobic crimes and these people want a prayer meeting so that they can beseech God to oppose equality.

    Do they ever hold prayer meetings to invoke divine intervention against couples living(fornication) together or to prevent adulterous divorcees from remarrying?

  3. Just badly behaved children attention seeking, just ignore them and they’ll stop disrupting others.

  4. glasgow1975 12 May 2013, 2:56pm

    Let them pray, studies show time and again it has absolutely no positive effect, and often worsens recovery in illness . . .

    1. “Often worsens recovery in illness”. I’ve never seen a study that suggests this.

      1. they pray instead of seeing a doc.

      2. The Templeton study actually showed this effect, Phil

  5. No law stopping them standing the street doing anything (other than urinating or flashing) but it won’t make any difference inide Westminster.

  6. Hopefully the sisters of perpetual indulgence will get over there.

  7. Robert in S. Kensington 12 May 2013, 3:05pm

    I bet the turnout will be dismal just like it was on March 26th in Trafalgar Square. These bloody religious nutters are deluded fools. As if praying will help. Have they not seen what all the praying never did in 12 American states, and recently France, New Zealand and Uruguay?

    Most of the protections they are demanding are already included in the legislation as as far as the public domain is concerned including schools and curricula.. The quadruple lock goes over and above board to accommodate the CoE cult and no denominations will be forced to perform our marriages or recognise them. Registrars whose beliefs are in conflict will be allowed to have another registrar perform the ceremonies. What bloody more do they want?

    I would love to see a counter demonstration calling for the disestablishment of the state cult. Now that would get their collective knickers in a twist.

  8. Robert in S. Kensington 12 May 2013, 3:09pm

    “Christians” praying for discrimination! Spreading the love is it? Bloody hypocrites. Sick, deluded fools.

  9. WWwwoooooo praying – well that will secure their bigotry and hatred in stopping equal – wait a minute – I was forgetting God is just a pathetic Fiction –

  10. As a gay Christian myself, I apologise for the idiocy of their actions. It’s awful hearing fellow Christians condemn me and other LGBT people, and it’s just as bad when fellow LGBT people generalise all Christians as homophobic bigots.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 12 May 2013, 4:08pm

      Well, true to some extent but why aren’t those better Christians supporting us speaking out loud and clear and condemning those who preach intolerance while spreading mendacious information about us and equal marriage? They don’t do they?

      1. bobbleobble 12 May 2013, 9:08pm

        I agree Robert. Where are our supporters in the Christian community? Why aren’t they organising a counter prayer gathering?

        1. Robert in S. Kensington 13 May 2013, 2:44am

          So right, bobbleobble! They NEVER draw a line in the sand and call out the bigots and hypocrites for what they are. Action speaks louder than words! Let them come forward and prove they are with us. If not, they are against us.

    2. Would it be wrong of me to ask all gay Christians to pray for rain on those days?

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 12 May 2013, 7:58pm

        Hopefully, some thunder and lighting to strike a few of them down.

        1. these are the type of people who blame gays for every natural disaster, eg Pat Robertson of hte USA.

          Of course its all about freaking out their followers so the fools send more money

          Theris a haroldl camping in the USA who is always forcastiing when Jesus will return and of course peoplle dead 2000 years dont come back

          But with his xtian BS radio stattionss etc he has taken the followers for about 100, 000,000 us$ over the last 6 years

          A mind is a terrible thng to waste and thats what right wing xtianity combined with church teachings does.

    3. If you and your fellow xtians feel you are generalised as homophobic bigots because of your cult, then it can be expected there will be a mass of your ilk on these said days, protesting against the evil Christian homophobes praying for persecution . And it’s very insulting for you to compare LGBT outrage at being treated with contemptuous discrimination by Christians as something comparable to the hate you experience from your fellow cult members for being LGBT.

  11. It will be interesting to see how the “government” will treat a “prayer gathering outside parliament”. Is it gonna be treated as a protest? Protests are not permitted anywhere near the house of cards.

    1. I’m sure they’re praying for arrests too. They live for perceived persecution and martyrdom.

    2. Jock S. Trap 13 May 2013, 9:55am

      Not true Beberts.

      It was Ken Livingstone who banned protesting outside Parliament unless a license was issued. Yet it is a fundamental right to lawfully protest at Parliament.

      This is why one of the first things Boris did when he became Major was reverse the law to allow lawful protest outside our Parliament.

  12. Magic spells it is now.

    We’re all terrified.

  13. Great… I hope they do pray for it.
    That way they’ll be too distracted to form a plan that has any measurable effect on anything.
    If only all of them would pray to restrict our rights… it’s like being set on by someone’s imaginary friend.

  14. Because prayer solves all of life’s problems, from magically vanishing tsunamis to not-so-killer-anymore cancer.

  15. They’re so desperate to stop us having equal rights, aren’t they? What a pathetic bunch, self-important bunch they are.

    Now why aren’t they praying outside registry offices to protest about all the divorcees remarrying (adultery according to the Bible), all the non-Christians marrying, all the atheists, all the non-virgins etc etc?

    Or is it just LGBT people they’re obsessed with because they know we’re one of the few groups left that thay can attempt to pick on?

    Now off you go to pray outside M&S, Andrea and co. I hear they’re selling prawn sandwiches – the horror!

    1. I feel the words “pathetic, self important” to be unfair, although I grant, having just been expelled from a Christian forum for expressing views supporting LBGT people that this might apply to some groups. CC are not single issue organisation and do campaign for issues around social justice many PN readers would support.

      To believe in tradition marriage is not homophobic bigotry; to be believe “righteousness exalteth a nation” as the good book reminds us is to be on the side of God; to pray that God will change our nation to the right way is a duty beholden on believers.

  16. Robert in S. Kensington 12 May 2013, 5:06pm

    If the weather forecast is correct, it’s supposed to rain on the 21st.

    I wasn’t aware that amendments were permitted at a third and final reading in the Commons. Perhaps I’m wrong but even so, they’re not going to be accepted. Lord Pannick QC says the bill is air tight as far as the quadruple lock goes and that there is more than enough protection for religious denominations. The amendments submitted by arch bigots Loughton and Burrowes during Committee Hearings were shot down and so too will the referendum and added protections for school curricula since they’re already covered.

    1. bobbleobbble 12 May 2013, 9:05pm

      The amendments that have been proposed will be dealt with prior to the third reading. Each amendment has to be voted on by the full Hoise (or at least those that bother to show up). Some will pass or fail solely on a voice vote others will require a division and formal vote. Once that’s all dealt with, and if the CP debate is anything to go by it could take hours, the amendments which pass are incorporated into the bill and then it gets it’s third reading in its final form before it heads off to the Lords where the whole circus begins again.

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 13 May 2013, 2:50am

        Judging from the Committee Hearings where all of their absurd amendments were voted down by 15-4, I don’t think the bigots will succeed. Something needs to be done to get rid of the bureaucracy starting with the abolition of the Lords once and for all. New Zealand is an excellent example of that.

  17. Spanner1960 12 May 2013, 5:19pm

    Keep casting your medieval magic spells at your fictitious deities. It won’t affect any of us in the real world one iota.

  18. Spanner1960 12 May 2013, 5:22pm

    ” You find as you look around the world that every single bit of progress in humane feeling, every improvement in the criminal law, every step toward the diminution of war, every step toward better treatment of the colored races, or every mitigation of slavery, every moral progress that there has been in the world, has been consistently opposed by the organized churches of the world. I say quite deliberately that the Christian religion, as organized in its churches, has been and still is the principal enemy of moral progress in the world.”

    Bertrand Russell

  19. Mumbo Jumbo 12 May 2013, 6:13pm

    Point and laugh.

  20. As a Gay Christian I believe that Anti-Equality is very unchristian like so I don’t get these people, they just give all Christians a bad name.

  21. These Christians wouldn’t know about love or compassion if Jesus descended from the sky and personally ejaculated ‘love’ onto their faces.

    You go ahead and pray to your invisible sky-daddy. The rest of us live in the real world…

  22. Leon, Oxford 12 May 2013, 7:37pm

    With all the suffering in the world, is this really the priority of the pious?

  23. “as Parliament debates changing the law of the land and discarding God’s pattern for marriage”!!!!!!

    Talk about deluded melodramatic theatrics!

    1. “as Parliament debates changing the law of the land” suggests that Parliament is going to completely alter the entire body of legislation that governs this island!


    2. “discarding God’s pattern for marriage” suggests that the UK government is about to perpetrate the most blaphemous and heinous of acts against “Almighty God” himself.

    These people are whipping themselves up into a self-righteous frenzy, rather like we have seen coming from the French Catholic anti-gay mob.

    1. If god has a “pattern for marriage” I don’t think he’ll be too bothered by a weeny little parliament tinkering a bit. He’ll just carry on with his own definition. Who knows, he might already be doing that in regard to divorcees, married priests etc., etc.

      As I recall, he also has a bit of a downer on the self-righteous. Oh dear.

  24. DivusAntinous 12 May 2013, 8:07pm

    We should stand there with rainbow flags and Union Jacks singing Land of Hope and Glory

  25. Robert in S. Kensington 12 May 2013, 8:16pm

    Bloody fools! God’s pattern didn’t include civil marriage for heteros last time I checked. Proof of it is that the Anglican and Roman cults prohibit divorced heteros from having a religious marriage. That was the last and only time marriage has been truly re-defined. Equal marriage merely expands it to include gay couples, nothing more. Nothing changes except for us having access to it. It won’t prevent heteros from marrying if it really is re-defining anything. If they believe to the contrary, then by their distorted reasoning, no more straight marriages will be taking place. Another myth debunked.

  26. I suppose the more they do this crazy s**t the better for us, will show the politicians who the normal ones in society actually are. can imagine the politicians looking out the window and thinking “what a bunch of crazy bible bashers, certainly dont want to live in the sort of s**thole they want” and then hopefully vote for the same sex marriage bill.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 13 May 2013, 3:07am

      That’s the problem. Just because their numbers are probably small doesn’t mean it won’t have any impact on the Lords who think the way they do. The complacency and apathy among alleged supporters is astonishing. The loudest voices get attention. We’ve been far from being loud, in fact, silent. If you really want something, you have to fight for it, not sit home and expect politicians to do all the work. If you look at the number of those who voted NO on 5th February, the majority said that they did so because they received a far larger number of emails, letters and other forms of communication from the opponents in their constituencies. Some intended to vote no regardless, but there are some who needed to hear from us. Those who plan on attending the prayer meeting outside of Parliament are motivated and mobilized which doesn’t say much for us does it?

  27. How strikingly unoriginal. We had our own fundies organising similar “prayer vigils” outside our Parliament against marriage equality down here in NZ, but they were outnumbered by supporters of marriage equality. You might want to consider getting progay people of faith to organise thanksgiving services to celebrate the third reading in response.

  28. Gay Activist Paul Mitchell 13 May 2013, 5:32am

    Let us pray this bill PASSES the report stage and the third and final reading in the House of Democracy (sorry House of Commons)!!!!

    Then off to the House of Unelectable Bigots (sorry House of Lords)…

    Progress on the bill source right here:

  29. Prayer, the easy alternative to actually doing something constructive.

    Let them pray, its useless and ineffectual, much like there ‘God’.

  30. Well it has actually been proved that nothing fails like prayer. The Templeton Foundation in a statistically sound study threw a lot of money away trying to prove the opposite but were forced to conclude that petitionary prayer does not work.

  31. Pray away!

  32. We held a counter-rally in Wellington New Zealand to balance the conservative Christian one opposing marriage equality. The police set up fences and monitored the scene for any aggression. We all sang God of Nations, the fundies prayed and the LGBTIQ supporters sang songs like We’re Going to the Chapel, and What the World Needs Now (is Love). Our side included “queer” Christians including a Presbyterian Minister in her rainbow stole. Their side, strangely enough, included a mime act wearing black trousers, white shirts, and purple gloves that did interpretive actions to accompany the prayers.

    You may know by now that our Marriage Equality Act went through smoothly :-)
    Rally coverage on

  33. One of the the things I once admired in PN reporting was its even handedness. Calling Christian Concern “adamantly homophobic” (which I believe to be untrue) indicates this is no longer the case.

    While CC is known for campaigning for traditional marriage etc., there are many other issues on its agenda.

    As for prayer, Christians believe prayer changes things and we should pray for righteousness to prevail since it is this that exalts a nation.

    1. “As for prayer, Christians believe prayer changes things and we should pray for righteousness to prevail since it is this that exalts a nation.”

      They also believe in fostering hate and intolerance. Belief, in their case is a substitute for reality. Sanctimonious self righteousness is alkso another trait. Let them pray for intolerance, its nothing less then I would expect from superstitious ignorance.

  34. Robert in S. Kensington 13 May 2013, 5:36pm

    Message to Andrea Minichiello Williams:

    Matthew 6:5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.”

    Bloody hypocrites!

  35. Most people can manage 1 hrs worth of prayer on a Sunday morning and Christian Concern is expecting people to pray for 2 days solid on the 20 and 21st.

    You must be Kidding! Life must be pretty boring and meaningless as a Christian if this is something they feel they need to pray about.

    What about the needy, sick, poor , hungry etc etc….I think Christians need to start looking again at their priorities..

    1. I agree that Christians should regard ” the needy, sick, poor , hungry etc” as priorities but it is never a case of either or, but rather it should be about balance.

  36. annotherbear 14 May 2013, 10:32am

    Not so many years ago there were churches protesting about interracial marriage and desegregation. Before that there were even churches against the abolition of slavery.The scriptures are always subject to reinterpretation and protests against those particular issues have disappeared. Eventually the same will happen to objections about same sex relationships. Although slow to happen, it is inevitable.

  37. Praying to save the right of bigotry. How typically “christian”.

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