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Lord Carey: The Government has ignored minority churches on same-sex marriage

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  1. Garry Cassell 10 May 2013, 1:45pm

    Lord whatever????? You have no RIGHT whatsoever to speak for or to anything…..you are unelected…so shutup…

    1. An unelected, self-promoting, religious supremacist.
      If it wouldn’t harm the cause, we should all send paper party crowns to him in the mail, with fancy references to coronations and the Queen.

  2. Robert in S. Kensington 10 May 2013, 1:45pm

    Excuse me, bigot Carey, but all minority churches weren’t excluded from the equal marriage debate. Have you not heard of the consultation where every British citizen was free to voice their support or resistance but which resulted in 53% of the British public in favour of introducing equal marriage?

    Always playing the bloody victim card where there are no victims. The House of Commons in a free vote approved the legislation with a whopping majority in favour. How much clearer does it get, Carey? Now do us a favour and f_ck off.

  3. Garry Cassell 10 May 2013, 1:47pm

    Lord whatever???? you are unelected…you have NO right to speak for or against anything…Just hide and shutup..

  4. The Government has ignored minority churches…

    And? Your point is? Oh, what, we should put up listening to the drivel your lot comes out with, yeah whatever buster.

  5. bobbleobble 10 May 2013, 2:06pm

    Strange breed of non relevant dinosaurs sounds about right to me. And the government hasn’t ignored minority churches. The government has made it quite clear that no religious organisation will be required to do anything which goes against their teachings. They have gone out of their way to ensure that minority churches are protected. What they haven’t done however is kowtow to the churches who believe that their particular brand of religion should be foisted on the entire population.

    Sine Carey is so concerned about minority churches why isn’t he worried that the Quakers, Unitarians and Liberal and Reformed Jews would be ignored if the government went back on their plans? Or is it only a concern when the religious groups agree with you Carey, you hypocrite.

  6. Robert (Kettering) 10 May 2013, 2:06pm

    Time bigot Carey shoved shut up going on and on about anything to do with Gay rights or one might be tempted to say, “the lady doth protest a little too much”! Just look at that RC bigot in Scotland and how he turned out!!

  7. Why is ANYONE being IGNORED on marriage equality?

    If the churches – minority or otherwise – didn’t want to marry someone of the same-sex then THEY DO NOT HAVE TO

    But why does MY life have to be restricted and controlled based on THEIR prejudices? Why should I be ignored to pander to their bigotry? Why do their “religious rights” extend to controlling me and trumping my rights to live my life

  8. He moans about the “pace of change”.
    Three countries, two American states, and a selection of other independent jurisdictions elsewhere in the world had all started the process of legalizing marriage after the UK, and they have all got everything sorted and signed off before the UK even got half way.
    And he thinks we are going too fast?

  9. France and NZ passed equal marriage within 6 months or so. The govt had a consultation over a yr ago, it took 6 months to get the results and then it has taken ages since the end of the consultation to even get this far.

    There’s been a ton of consultations/speeches/Q&As/committee meetings/private meetings with every Tom, Dick and Harry. If he hadn’t noticed this is about same sex marriage and religious orgs who want to do same sex marriage. What has it got to do with “black, Muslim, Sikh or Hindu ” people unless they actually are gay and want to get married to someone of the same sex or are willing to marry couples of the same sex?

  10. Why are they even debating this when the bill has not even yet come to the Lords?

    1. Because Lord Couldn’t-Carey-Less can’t stop himself from thinking about gay men.

  11. The only religious institutions ‘being ignored’ are the ones which want the government to write their particular religious values into the law.
    Most of those opposed to marrying gay couples in their places of worship have said as much in their consultation responses, and are covered by the opt-in clause. These religions are happy for others to do as they please, so long as they themselves are not interfered with. They have not been ignored.
    Catholic leaders (and some from the CofE) on the other hand, want to make the world and his husband compelled by the law to follow their religious ‘teachings’, and have made us all painfully aware of their demands. They are the ones who have been rightly ignored.
    Take away the noisy theocrats, and the bill ends up looking most agreeable.

  12. The Halcyon 10 May 2013, 2:28pm

    This latest statement is fantastic news, it just proves how desperate he is to shore up support for his failing attempts to block the bill. Is this because his “core constituency” don’t actually give a vrelt’s ass about the issue?

  13. Truly; the evidence is before you – religious zealotry rots away the cognitive and reasoning abilities – some-one please put their arm on the shoulder of this fellow and explain to him carefully that he is making an idiot of himself.
    ” Better to stay silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove ALL doubt.” – Sadly their seems to be an outbreak amongst the Noble Lords of operating mouth before engaging brain.

  14. And to think some tedious magic-boggled snivelling apologists called me out not that long ago for calling this man “vile”.

    Had a change of heart yet? His arguments are *exactly* the same as the ones used by racists in the US to oppose mixed race marriage, all underpinned by the same rancid dogmatic nonsense. He is a bigot, through and through. And he is a tyrant in that he seeks to demand the compliance of non-believers with his magical bloody fairy tales.

    Vile? That’s practically a kindness for what this man actually is.

    1. Yes, you get some of those bubble wrapped, wishy washy, fence sitting apologists on here trying to be devil’s advocate, they are so bloody tedious.

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 10 May 2013, 4:38pm

      Beyond vile, Valsky….evil. The arrogance of these bloody religious nutters is breath taking. This entire EM debate is about civil marriage. He ought to shut his mouth and stay out of matters that are none of his business. If anything calls for the disestablishment of his equally bloody cult, he is the reason it should be booted out of the political arena once and for all. They have far too much power as it is, about time that changed. We of course would be the scapegoat for supporting disestablishment.

  15. Chester666666 10 May 2013, 2:36pm

    Writing off repetition isn’t the same as ignoring it, what exactly would these churches have to say that other religious homophobes have’t already said? There was a consultation where anybody and everybody unfortunately had their say and the homophobes spewed such venom and bile that it would make Carey proud. Society is broken when there’s people denied equality, when someone like him can call for discrimination to be accepted – fixing it would mean marriage etc being fair

  16. Is it just me or is every religious “lord” an obnoxious pratt, the Lords are unelected and should be replaced by an elected upper house, where no religious figures should be

    All MPs and lords (or whatever replaces them) should have to take an oath to keep religion and politics

    (you may have already guessed, but I’m an atheist, and believe religion has no place in politics)

    1. Nope, you hit the nail on the head there Ben.

      Sadly though, there are at least 20 bishops sitting in the HOL, who I believe should have no say in matters of state. We are meant to have separation of church and state but for as long as those old duffers remain on those red benches we will never have true separation.

      Oh, and not forgetting those religious idiots that sit in the main house who cite their deity fro reasons for denying us our rights!

      1. @D.McCabe by religious idiots I assume you may be referring to the former MP Ann Widdecombe, who thankfully is no longer an MP, everything she said was related to Religion

        Religion in any form is not an excuse to deny the people their rights!!

        The other thing that really makes me angry at MPs is the argument that there is not a demand for gay/equal marriage, this is utter bull-droppings as long as there is marriage and gay people there will be a demand, we want to show our love for each other in a life long commitment, or can love only be shown by a man and a woman!!!

        Give us our rights, all humans deserve to be equal regardless of their sexual preferences

  17. Yeah, I’m sure black Christians want nothing more than to be patronised by a crusty white Tory die-hard.

    Whether the government listened to black and minority ethnic churches that wrote that letter to the Torygraph or not would have been immaterial (they’re a bit late anyway, the consultation was almost a year ago), given that they were equally as implacable and homophobic as the ‘white’ churches.

  18. I couldn’t read any more than half of his rubbish.

    I am fed up with people like him claiming the society will be damaged by this bill. On the contrary my dear Lord.

    Again you have no evidence to back up any of your claims.

    Do us all a favour and keep quiet

    1. Same here – call me Pollyanna, but I prefer to focus on Lord Fowler’s far more impressive speech.

    2. I agree with you, Spain has gay/equal marriage and there even more religious than the UK, Spanish society has not collapsed, and the UK’s will not collapse, the claim that society will be damaged is a weak argument made by people who cannot see the good in this type of change

  19. Religion should not have a place in civil law !!!

  20. Cary = Racist

  21. Minority religions who either want to participate in SSM or not have had their views fully respected in the government’s proposals?

  22. Liam the God 10 May 2013, 4:17pm

    FVCK religion, ALL of them! Religion is divisive and exclusive to all but those that follow their set doctrine and don’t question scripture, even when it’s obvious bollocks!
    Where were the C of E when the vote was taken to “Reform” the NHS? Why, they were voting WITH the Government! What happened when Occupy were outside St. Paul’s Cathedral? They were condemning the protesters and threatening legal action! The Church of England has no moral authority, and those that demand a voice for their delusional belief in “God” should be locked in mental homes where they can be kept safe and under sedation and observation.

    *Aaaaannd breathe…….*

    1. Jock S. Trap 10 May 2013, 4:26pm

      Indeed… we could be like that Bigoted Baroness O’Fanny Whatshername and go by only assumptions by saying religion = murder go hand in hand but…. oh hang on a minute….

  23. Sounds like a “divide and conquer ” strategy by this evil anti marriage pig.

  24. Jock S. Trap 10 May 2013, 4:23pm

    Oh good grief… let’s get this ‘straight’ (cough… as it’ll ever be!)

    To these nasty vile bigots there is No good or right time to do this. To them there will always be excuses to stop, delay, abuse the system to stop equality.

    Fact is now is as good a time as any and it’ll finally stop their “it’s not the time” arguments, they so free brand around and too often.

    It’s just as pathetic as saying I want equality, I want an end to discrimination….. but not really and not in any way that effects Christians being above any law by only having their idea of equality and their Idea of discrimination.

    So now how does ‘Religious Freedom’ according to Lord Carey deal with those religions that Do want to be open minded and accepting.

    I believe this is his attempt at stopping accepting religions from having any ‘Religious Freedoms’ at all.

    It’s vile, it’s nasty…. well it is religion!

  25. “The dangers this bill represents?” Like what? The danger that a same sex couple may actually get married and live happily ever after?
    What a complete and utter crock of sh*te this man speaks!

  26. Why doesn’t this senile old man see that his religious nonsense has nothing to do with civil marriage?

  27. Marriage doesn’t belong to you or your church, archbigot, so suck it up!

  28. There there, you poor darling, daddy is here….Those nasty Gays making you sooooo unhappy. xxx

  29. This stinks. He is giving a political platform to air his bigotry simply because he is an Anglican Bishop.

    Then he talks about being discriminated and marginalised. The hypocrisy.

    These guys can believe what they want but they should not be awarded positions in a democracy based on their religious affiliation.

  30. Christopher Coleman 10 May 2013, 8:13pm

    Some Christian leaders show an admirable willingness to stand with their religious opponents when it suits them. And to stay quiet in the face of religion-inspired mayhem, as in Nigeria, for example. Wonderful tolerance and forbearance.

    Britain has attracted ethnic minorities for many reasons, including the greater freedom they enjoy than is available in their own countries and cultures. If any of these groups are against equal marriage, they should be encouraged to recognize in it Britain’s continuing to offer freedom of conscience and action, the very freedoms they came here to enjoy.

  31. EqualtyFinesse 10 May 2013, 8:38pm

    … has painted opponents of marriage equality as a “strange breed of non-relevant dinosaurs”

    Impressive! The government, if they had the courage to say this, would be bang on the mark!

    Perhaps this should be our new motto for the anti equality fudies?

  32. The anti-gay marriage lobby are getting really desperate now if they are subtly dropping the racism card as an argument against gay marriage. What next – gay marriage is sexist?

    Funny how the conservative right doesn’t give a damn about the “politically correct” consideration of the views of minorities except when it serves their purpose.

  33. Can this man sink any lower? Now he pulls out the race card. Well guess what Lord Carey, there are black and Asian LGBT people too, some of whom are forced by their communities into loveless arranged heterosexual marriages. Have you considered their voice?

  34. Bloody idiot!

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