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Conservative peer Baroness O’Cathain: ‘The Government should admit same-sex marriage is a mistake’

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  1. What utter rubbish!

    She completely plays down the fact that there are families out there who have no father/mother figure in their lives.

    She is nothing but a typical Tory homophobe. Why is this woman even in the upper house, was she ever an MP?

  2. bobbleobble 10 May 2013, 12:21pm

    Yet another speech from a pompous old dinosaur which makes very little sense and is simply a way of saying ‘I don’t like gay people’ in a very long winded way.

    How marriage can be considered under attack by allowing more people to benefit from it truly escapes me. Also yet more evidence that these people consider marriage pathetically weak and flimsy to the point where gay couples could bring the whole thing crashing down.

    She also seems to believe that we hand in our reproductive organs when we come out overlooking the fact that we can and do have children. If marriage is the best place to raise children then what about the children of gay couples?

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 10 May 2013, 1:18pm

      As Senator Karen Peterson of Delaware said earlier this week….”“If my happiness somehow demeans or diminishes your marriage, you need to work on your marriage,” Ms Peterson said to much laughter, adding, ”We don’t need to be fixed. We’re not broken.”

      This redefinition of marriage nonsense is a red herring. All this bill does is expand an existing law to include one group of people, nothing more. Heteros will continue to marry in their places of worship in spite of it as well as procreate for those who are able. The legislation only affects us not heteros in any way shape or form. Obviously, Cathain’s marriage and others’ of her bigoted ilk must be in very bad shape if she’s so concerned about the state of marriage today which had and has not been the result of gays marrying outside the UK. Heteros are doing a good job of committing adultery and living together without any help or input from us, as old as civilisation itself. Stupid woman.

  3. Christopher in Canada 10 May 2013, 12:23pm

    She should admit HER mistake, ini light of several studies here in North America which demonstrate that children raised in same-sex households do better at school and have more social opportunities.

    Time for these dinosaurs to die off, already. The asteroid has landed!

  4. As as fellow-Irish person, she makes me embarrassed to be Irish.

    She’s a throw-back to rural, Church infested Ireland and wishes to remain in the arm-lock of church morality.

    She forgets of course in her speech that she left Ireland (Limerick) in seek of a better future as the Catholic Ireland of the time offered her nothing but traditional marriage.

    Had she chosen to remain in Ireland she would have ended up in one of those traditional marriages she now speaks so passionately to defend.

    Traditional marriage where as a woman she would have no role to play other than having and raising children on behalf of her man with a token ‘house keeping’ allowance.

    She turned her back on this, of course, heading for the altogether more liberal and accommodating England where now nearing her miserable end, she seeks to impose out-dated and highly offensive regulations on a new generation.

  5. ” I will tell you what they are probably thinking: ”

    Deluded woman.The average hard up pensioner has more “real-world” experience than you apparently do and – whatever they think about the government – are unlikely to be so naive as to think they are only capable of working in a linear fashion on one idea at the time.

    And as for this “holding steadfastly to values ” business – presumably these are “right-thinking” people who subscribe to the same line of crap that you do? Anyone who clings to bigotry is an ignorant fool, and the fact that there are a lot of old and ignorant fools out there doesn’t need further highlighting when we have fossils like you around spouting uneducated bigotry from a position of unearned and undemocratic privilege.

  6. As usual, opponents of equality can make things up to justify their position, aka bare-faced lies.

    Proponents of justice and fairness and bound by the truth.

  7. Jock S. Trap 10 May 2013, 12:31pm

    What tosh…. When will these bigots actually think about what they say.

    I have heard also this comment… “There are more important things like the economy”….

    I usually respond with “I’m sorry I didn’t realise the LGBT community didn’t contribute to the economy as well… oh no… hang on… actually we do…. equally!!”

    We don’t have ’em moaning and whinging about that, do we!

    There is usually an awkward silence while they think of the next bigoted comment.

    They cannot see that in those countries with marriage equality, such marriages Add to the economy in a very positive way.

    I think it’s like many of their assumed comments… if they say often enough they actually believe it… trouble is they think we all do too.

    1. “..if they say often enough they actually believe it… ”

      Religion has been using that method or centuries: Tell a big enough lie and keep repeating it…..

      1. Jock S. Trap 10 May 2013, 4:29pm

        Yep… should be in a definition in the Dictionary….

        Lie:- To tell and untruth/Religion

        1. Jock S. Trap 10 May 2013, 4:31pm

          Sorry that bloodly ‘d’ appears again in my ‘an’ there, where it really shouldn’t be.

  8. Hang on a bloomin minute!

    “The evidence from social science is now emphatic that children do best when raised by their married mother and father. I mention just one example: a paper from the Institute for Fiscal Studies observes that, even by the age of three, there are “significant differences” in outcomes between children born to married parents and those born outside marriage. Children born to married parents showed superior social, emotional and cognitive development. There are many other studies which provide powerful evidence of the positive benefits of marriage. Should we throw this up in the air?”

    I’ll tell you what to throw up in the air – the fact that the line from the IFS doesn’t say that a marriage must be man/woman – the quote simply says that children thrive under a marriage.

    Well let more people marry then, you withered old parasite, and stop making things up!

    1. Jock S. Trap 10 May 2013, 12:37pm

      Indeed. In fact they are too blatant in their hypocrisy.

      They say they are against same sex couples marrying then quote these rather bizarre polls to justify there argument when what they are actually saying is…

      Marriage is good for me but not for you.

      There hypocritical argument actually justifies the argument for equality and I get sick of their continuous hiding behind children because they are too weak to think for themselves.

  9. Paula Thomas 10 May 2013, 12:40pm

    The Baroness is a longstanding opponent of the LGBT community and I remember well her speeches against equalising the age of consent, the Sexual Offences Act 2003 and Civil Partnerships. She’s a homophobe ignore her.

  10. As it stands Trans people are forced to end their marriage to change the gender on their birth certificate. Gay marriage would allow them to remain Married. THAT protects marriage and children.

  11. “Marriage must be supported and valued, not dismantled.” OK, I think they missed that boat, when throngs of heterosexual marriages hit a brick wall and the divorce rate spikes! Is this how they support a value? This is another way on how the heterosexual’s dismantle marriage. Aha! I guess that old wind bag and the other old farts, never discussed that! Marriage Equality is a global push. ALL countries are starting to wake up, sign up and move forward. It’s called progression. Progression means moving forward and not backwards. Perhaps you all need to hop into The Tardis and take a trip to another time, perhaps back in the day when life was barbaric? Marriage Equality is the future and this fight won’t end. I’m a Canadian and I support marriage equality and I’ll keep on signing petitions, standing up for what I believe in and supporting any LGBT community that’s fighting this fight. The world is watching… closely.

  12. Fiddler on the Poof 10 May 2013, 12:53pm

    The best family model is two biological parents. This is sadly not always possible but people should learn how to be good parents before starting a family
    then we would not have the need for anyone to adopt.

    1. then we would not have the need for anyone to adopt.

      Oh really? What happens when one or both parents die or are killed then?

    2. Oh my. We do not live in the REAL word do we?

    3. bobbleobble 10 May 2013, 2:46pm

      ‘The best family model is two biological parents.’ Yeah Fred and Rose West for example. Being a biological parent does NOT make you a good parent. Being married and bringing up your progeny does NOT automatically make you a great family. The best family model is where the parents truly care about, look after their children.

      As for learning how to be good parents, that is exactly what prospective adopters have to do. They must prove their worth as parents before being entrusted with a child.

      1. bobbleobble 10 May 2013, 3:19pm

        It is better to have loving parents I agree but there’s no evidence that biology comes into it at all.

        It doesn’t go without saying that parents should be good. The post I replied to stated quite plainly that biology is the overriding factor in parenthood, not the quality of parenting.

        It is natural to want to be looked after and loved. I know of several people who want nothing to do with biological parents. True parents are the people who raise you, not necessarily those who provide the biological material for your creation.

        And calling me an obtuse moron is simply unpleasant and shows you have to resort to attacks because you have no real argument. Still if it makes you feel big and clever then all power to you.

  13. One does wonder why Lady O’Cathain isn’t quite as vocal about discouraging divorce, which – to my mind at least – appears to have done more damage to traditional marriage as the “bedrock” of society than anything else.

  14. What annoys me is the arrogance of the women to just make up things up. The social scientist have researched this issues and concluded that the sexual orientation of the parents has no impact of child development.

    This women is a nothing less than a filth, bigoted liar.

    If anyone could have a negative impact on a child’s social development it would be to be raised by her.

    What a waste of taxpayer’s money this unelected politician is.

  15. Robert in S. Kensington 10 May 2013, 1:10pm

    So, by this bigot’s loony deduction, issues should be dealt with one at a time until they are resolved. No such thing as multi-tasking in her distorted view of what government can and should do. If we weren’t in the economic doldrums and unemployment wasn’t an issue, this harridan would still be dissatisfied and resistant to this bill. She’s a bigoted homophobe, always was and always will be, even voted against CPs as many did in her party who are now in opposition to equal marriage.

  16. Robert in S. Kensington 10 May 2013, 1:31pm

    This evil piece of work needs to be reminded as do all of the Lords for that matter that six bishops voted for a successful wrecking amendment in the name of Lady O’Cathain, which would have made the CP bill unworkable. Only the Commons’ insistence on rejecting the O’Cathain amendment made it possible to enact civil partnerships.

    Arch bigoted homophobe Tory MP David Burrowes is going to propose a similar amendment to try and wreck the equal marriage on May 20 and 21 by calling for a referendum.

    She’s a bigoted hateful bitch!


  18. It’s amazing how someone in Parliament can just say things that are patently false or present arguments that don’t make any logical sense…

  19. Equality is equality, there is no such thing as a very little more equality or a very little less equality.
    Rather there is privilege and disadvantage which is the present situation regarding our marriage laws and it is why marriage equality must be introduced … to create parity, equality.

  20. Baroness Detta Catho’pain is probably quoting junk research by listed US anti-gay hate group The Family Research Council.

  21. Gary Potter 10 May 2013, 1:48pm

    Yet another over paid OLD bitch who should mind her own sorry sad business. She should lose her title just like the hetro child molesters (J Saville, Stewart Hall) as she her self is no different. Just an old Bigot.

  22. “Lord Forsyth of Drumlean, who asked if the timetable Motion imposed to speed up the process of the same-sex marriage bill affected the sovereignty of the House of Commons”

    anybody know what he’s on about? I take it that he also isn’t a supporter of equal marriage.

    Has O’Caithian ever voted for any gay rights? She’s called wolf too many times to be taken seriously. That prayer she raised a yr or so ago to ditch religious CPs (something that was so trivial and unimportant and affected nothing) just shows the type of woman she really is, a bigotted old homophobe.

    1. bobbleobble 10 May 2013, 2:53pm

      Forsyth and others are scrabbling around desperately for reasons to block the bill that hide their true homophobic intent. He’s implying that the timetable motion which has shortened the process in the Commons somehow undermined the democratic process by reducing the ability of the Commons to scrutinise the bill properly. I don’t think for one minute he actually believes that but it’s obviously an argument he intends to make.

  23. essexgirlbecky 10 May 2013, 2:19pm

    And here was me thinking the Government should admit that Conservative peer Baroness O’Cathain is a mistake!

  24. Are all Baronesses Evil old Witches?

    1. No – Rabbi Baroness Neuberger certainly isn’t (see yesterday’s story), for one.

  25. David Carpenter 10 May 2013, 2:47pm

    agreed total rubbish too much equality already? so if women are men and get married why can’t men and men do likewise if we are all the same. Convenient for women to adopt the equality role which they never can be

  26. bobbleobble 10 May 2013, 2:58pm

    Listening to these people going on and on about the manifestos you’d think they are some sort of mystical document to be held in awe and worshipped rather than simply a suggestion of what a party might do if it gets into government.

    Interestingly though one thing that was in the Tory manifesto was HoL reform which has now been dropped. Perhaps all those MPs and Lords so invested in the integrity of manifestos can explain why they aren’t up in arms about this? Why isn’t the Baroness making lengthy speeches about how not reforming the HoL in accordance with manifesto is so awful. Of course the reason is that they don’t give a monkeys about the manifesto, it’s just a convenient red herring to hide their homophobia behind.

  27. Does the Noble Baroness therefore imply that married couples who cannot,or choose not, to have children have their marriage forcibly Annulled by the State? I’m surprised Lord Winston has remained silent on this issue.

    1. There is a precedent. The government (via the Gender Recognition Act in 2004) forced trans people to annul their existing marriage as a trade-in for a revised birth certificate. This is still in-force and would only be repealed if the Same Sex Marriage Bill goes through. Even then, there is a distinct possibility that intersex people will be left out again.

  28. Aidan Clark 10 May 2013, 4:28pm

    “Children born to married parents showed superior social, emotional and cognitive development. There are many other studies which provide powerful evidence of the positive benefits of marriage. Should we throw this up in the air?”

    Right, so given that same-sex couples can legally raise children, would it not therefore be preferable if those same-sex couples were married, given marriage’s “positive benefits”?

  29. Hold on, this woman has said very little more equality is needed? She has opposed civil partnerships and adoption rights for Gay couples. If she had her way we wouldn’t have any equality at all. I’d like to see what her version of equality is because otherwise she’s clearly mixed her words up.

  30. Since when has a career path through banking, Tesco, British Airways and the Milk Marketing Board led to a qualification in child development? Her claim that children show “superior social, emotional and cognitive development” when raised by a married man and woman” is without foundation. I am a specialist in child mental health and find that same sex couples make excellent parents (in-fact, I have never met any that could be described as ‘bad’). When there is so much hate in the world, I rejoice at every example of love I encounter.

  31. “children show superior social, emotional and cognitive development when raised by a married man and woman”, she says?

    Mrs. O’Cathain is simply hoping that by trotting out phrases that suggest some kind of authority in psychological matters people will fall for her bigoted preferences.

    Dare I suggest she delivered her speech to the Lords in the crisp “raynded” vowels that she hopes will further give authority to her bigotry?

  32. …’tried and tested values’?
    Trying more like.

  33. GingerlyColors 11 May 2013, 10:55pm

    Because of my shift work (which denies me time for a relationship – I am still on the market at 47 by the way), I often watch the Jeremy Kyle Show where I delight in seeing all these straight types who end up having kids at tax-payers expense because they are too busy smoking weed and cannot be bothered to put something on the end of it.
    You don’t see gay people on that show.
    Sorry for my rant, just been knocking back some home-made cider!

  34. One can not help to wonder why the Baroness keeps herself occupied by opposing the same-sex marriage bill if there are clearly so many other urgent matters of political import. For God’s sake leave the bill be and move on to those pressing matters of state you refer to, the only people who waste time on this are the one’s opposing it! If the equality of all people and their fundamental human rights are not of import to her grace perhaps she should consider that she is in-genuine in her service to the people and their government and perhaps find a career more agreeable to her disposition. May I suggest her grace seek to take up a position with the catholic church perhaps?

  35. ‘I remember [Lady Scotland] agreeing that the Civil Partnership Act had caused more discrimination in another area. It is like pushing down one bit only for it to come up somewhere else. We were discussing the case of sisters…’

    Er, Baroness, why is it discriminating against two siblings to deny them a civil partnership when marriage has no equivalent of this either?

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