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William Hague rejects change of direction on equal marriage to tackle UKIP threat

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  1. That There Other David 7 May 2013, 2:36pm

    Good to hear it clarified. There is no growing movement against the Marriage (Same-Sex Couples) Bill. It’s just the same old noise from the same old anti-equality people. No reason whatsoever for the government to delay the legislation in any way.

  2. I don’t recall UKIP actually saying anything OFFICIALLY about Equal Marriage, Please correct me if I’m wrong.

    As far as I can see it’s just some grumpy old bigots trying to blame something totally unrelated for the loss of votes. I think EU is more important to most people.

    1. UKIP made its stance very clear on gay marriage. They officially reject gay marriage but support civil partnerships.

      I find it amusing that the people who are using civil partnerships to oppose gay marriage are probably the same people who opposed civil partnerships back in 2004. It’s a smokescreen… they quite simply oppose equality.

      1. Thank you John, I stand corrected.

        Well stuff them where the sun does not shine.

    2. Jane McQueen 7 May 2013, 5:25pm

      They also sacked the head of their youth party for coming out in support of marriage equality

  3. Robert in S. Kensington 7 May 2013, 3:09pm

    They may well get a referendum on the EU but what many of them don’t realise is that it will probably be shot down in the Commons.

    Hague is absolutely right to reject the nonsense regarding equal marriage. Those god-bothering backbenchers are delusional fools for suggesting it. As I’ve said in other posts, if it were really about equal marriage, Labour, the largest supporter in Parliament would have lost instead of gained many seats last week.

    1. That There Other David 7 May 2013, 5:14pm

      Even if it were an issue that motivated some to vote UKIP last week, the results are pretty worthless on a number of levels if you’re looking for the mood across the country with regards to marriage equality. These were English-only County Council elections and didn’t include the larger English towns and cities that have become unitary authorities. Therefore the areas being polled were the traditionalist areas where UKIP would likely garner support anyway.

      Yet even with the game being completely played on their home turf they only received 25% of a 30% turnout. When scaled to a general election with the urban areas, the other UK nations and a larger turnout coming into play that’s not going to translate to 5% max, and probably even less if a section of last week’s UKIP vote was purely based on protest as many suspect.

      1. That There Other David 7 May 2013, 5:15pm

        “that’s not going to translate to 5% max” should of course read “that’s going to translate to 5% max”…

      2. Robert in S. Kensington 7 May 2013, 5:43pm

        Excellent points, well said.

  4. Godric Godricson 7 May 2013, 3:16pm

    There again…..it would be no surprise if the “nasty” Conservative party marched people up the hill only to march them down again in the face of the Turnip Taliban.

  5. It’s not going to happen. It is far too late for the Tories to do a U-turn on gay marriage, for multiple reasons.

    Anyone who thinks this bill is going to be dropped after being voted through by 400-175 is being ridiculous (regardless of whether the House of Lords manages to draw it out).

  6. Christopher Coleman 7 May 2013, 3:34pm

    If the Tories want to gain votes, all they need do is reverse their economic direction.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 7 May 2013, 5:51pm

      As well as confront their rogue back benchers who are out of control, many of them unfit for purpose. They should also reverse the austerity cuts. It never works as America has proved, its economy out of recession, jobs growing and unemployment down. You have to spend your way out of a recession, not stifle it by cutting. Take money out of people’s hands and nobody buys anything. Businesses suffer and so does the economy. Something the Tory party hasn’t quite learned.

      It amazes me that the opposition uses equal marriage, a red herring in my view, yet they were elected with an extremely slim majority in a hung parliament, in spite of Brown’s bungling of the economy. You’d think they’d have won by a landslide but they didn’t. Equal marriage had absolutely NOTHING to do with it either.

  7. Hague and the rest are absolutely right not to abandon the Bill at this late stage, if they were, it would only prove to show that they are spineless.

    I can’t wait for it to get through, sooner rather than later.

  8. They’ve already voted on carrying forward the SSM bill over to the next session , don’t understand what the issue is with the Queen’s speech???

    “Motion made, and Question put forthwith (Standing Order No. 80A(1)(a),

    That if, at the conclusion of this Session of Parliament, proceedings on the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill have not been completed, they shall be resumed in the next Session.—(Karen Bradley.)

    The House divided:

    Ayes 464, Noes 38.

    1. Jane McQueen 7 May 2013, 5:29pm

      If they hadn’t passed that motion then it would have been rushed through before the last recess, that motion allows them to give proper parliamentary time to the bill and carry on after the upcoming Queen’s speech. Especially all they need to do in the commons now is the third reading which is a set of votes on any amendments that were added at the committee stage, which includes opening up civil partnerships to heterosexual couples. Then the bill is off to the Lords, where the fun will begin and the Lords will have to be reminded which chamber is the one with the power.

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 7 May 2013, 5:59pm

        Jane, I listened to all of the Committee Hearings. I’m not sure if even one amendment put forward by the religious opposition, Burrowes, Loughton and Shannon was ever approved. They were all very absurd and unnecessary, some of them laughable. I don’t think civil partnerships for hetero couples was approved. It was mentioned but wasn’t carried.

        They may well reject it in the Lords but its really foolhardy if they did. They must be aware of Maria Miller’s statement in December 2012 in which she said she wouldn’t rule out using the Parliament Act. It wouldn’t serve them any purpose except for just delaying the inevitable for a year which I think would be retroactive to 5th February 2013 if I’m not mistaken.

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 7 May 2013, 5:53pm

      Even that was a stunning vote and a good one.

  9. Never thought I would agree with a Tory!

    The Tories are NOT going to jeopardize losing the voters of the future to recapture some disgruntled voters from the past. Especially when anyone with any sense of perspective can see that the concerns of the electorate are not fixated (unlike these nuts) on stopping gay marriage.

  10. Well this is encouraging to hear. However, Mr. Hague is not the PM, and may well not be speaking for the Cabinet as a whole.

    However, let’s say that the PM and the Cabinet are of the same mind, the Bill has to make it through the “House of Old Fuddy-Duddies” and THEY may well feel emboldened by the surge towards UKIP.

    Same Sex Marriage is most certainly NOT “in the bag” yet!

  11. Jock S. Trap 7 May 2013, 4:30pm

    Right wing politicians and right wing media need to stop their obsession with trying to stall marriage equality.

    It is just plain lies and negative propaganda for bigots to derail progress, progress supported by the majority of the public.

  12. Just amazing that opponents of equal marriage don’t realise when they have no chance of stopping the tide of history.

    They are really in denial. The fundamentalist world view has been rejected by the population at large, and anti-equality religionists are finding it hard to come to terms with that fact.

    Another anti-equal marriage rant by Christina Odone in the Telegraph today, with lots of toxic comments underneath:

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/cristinaodone/100215461/the-betrayal-of-marriage-has-cost-the-tories-votes-it-could-cost-them-the-election-too/

  13. Well, he’s not that close to me, I don’t think he a deviant and I think you’ll find that equality is actually morally right :-)

  14. pinks news answer us please 7 May 2013, 5:26pm

    please god some one start up another gay news web site so we can have an equal debate on these comment boards, not one where we can be insulted and not answer backl. What going on pink news?

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 7 May 2013, 5:41pm

      The day that the C4M site along with the Daily Mail and Telegraph stops insulting gay people on a daily basis by spreading hateful lies and spurious comments about gay people and civil marriage, removing comments by any they disagree with, then perhaps you might one day get your wish. Until then, we will continue to dish it out what they dish us almost daily.. At least what we say is true and based in facts while the opposition tries to impose a religious spin on what is purely a civil matter for the state and has absolutely NOTHING to do with them. The only people this legislation will effect are gay people, nobody else.

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 7 May 2013, 5:41pm

        …affect…

  15. Bill Cameron 7 May 2013, 5:46pm

    Hague is quite right about this; when he was Conservative Leader he took the Party to the right, and his successor Iain Duncan Smith continued that disastrous policy in spades during his short (thankfully) period in that role. They both tested the theory that moving the Conservatives to the right would bring them electoral success to destruction and if Hague has learned from that, then that is very welcome. The Conservatives haven’t won an election since 1992 and appeasing the right-wing nutters (whether of the Conservative or the UKIP variety) is not the way to change that situation. Cameron, Gove, Hague and some others currently leading the Conservative Party know that to abandon such a talisman as Gay Marriage legislation will consign them to dwindling electoral support.

    Mind you, they do need to stick to and redouble the austerity measures, although with the brake effect of the LibDems in government that is probably not easy either.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 7 May 2013, 6:07pm

      Surprisingly though, Iain Duncan Smith voted for equal marriage! Veering further to the right is political suicide for the Tory party. Cameron and his cabinet know it, although one of them Philip Hammond, Secretary of Defence may disagree. He was conveniently absent on 5th February but made his views known prior to the vote that he would have voted no.

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