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UK: Report shows male prisoners are frequently being denied access to condoms

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  1. Surely it should be “better safe , than sorry”.(in my opinion)

  2. Polarity63 7 May 2013, 11:30am

    The National Aids Trust have been doing some excellent work in this area, having produced an initial report in 2005 & more recently an update on best practice in 2011.

    HIV prevalence amongst inmate population is 15 times greater than in the general population, with rates of Hep C being 20 times higher.

    More information here:

    http://www.nat.org.uk/Information-and-Resources/Prisons.aspx

    1. I produced a document back in the 90s that listed the work etc that was being done by each prison in England and Wales and the officers who were working within that environment . . . unfortunately it didn’t get printed because the NAT wanted their name on the document and not mine . . . even though they, at that time, had done none of the work.

      Oh well . . .

  3. Jock S. Trap 7 May 2013, 11:37am

    This level of ignorance is shameful.

    Seems more adults need educating, and that’s just the people in positions of power in prisons.

    Disgusting.

  4. Robert in S. Kensington 7 May 2013, 11:40am

    I don’t quite understand what Chris Sheffield means by ‘underage sex’ in prisons. Surely he doesn’t mean that young males under 16 are in prisin with adult males?

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 7 May 2013, 11:41am

      …prison…

    2. Obviously juvenile detention centres are included…and if you note, it mentions staff/inmate relations being rohibited as well. But that doesn’t stop them from happening, even in jvenile facilitries where yes, the staff are of age but the inamets are under-age.

      And, surprise surprise! Underage inmates have sex with other underage inmates, too.

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 7 May 2013, 12:34pm

        Thanks for clarifying that, Adam.

  5. Dan Filson 7 May 2013, 11:50am

    If prisoners share cells, whether in prisons or young offender institutions, sex between them is inevitable, whether as demonstrations of power or affection or just release of sexual tensions.

    Whoever decided – the courts, I suspect – that prison cells were public places has some blame here, as if so anyone providing condoms is essentially condoning, or even aiding, a criminal offence. But common sense says condoms AND lube must be provided in sufficient quantities, and health education.

    It would make sense not to put HIV+ cell mates in with others.

    Incidentally, the recent suggestion that new inmates wear distinctive clothing would surely make easier for prison bully-rapists to identify new targets (and I’m sure there’s no condoms used in sexual assaults inside prison).

    How prison staff can be so stupid as to claim there is no sexual activity in their prison defies the imagination.

    1. Polarity63 7 May 2013, 12:08pm

      “It would make sense not to put HIV+ cell mates in with others”.

      Sorry to say Dan you are as stupid as the prison staff to make such a statement – how would putting HIV+ individuals together help? How about the prisoners who are not aware they have either HIV or Hep C.

      To make such a statement demonstrates sheer ignorance about HIV & other blood borne viruses, not to mention the stigma & discrimination that such a statement perpetuates

      Presumably you are of the opinion that those of us in the general population who have HIV should only enter into a sexual relationship with other positive individuals?

      Shocked & saddened – perhaps you did not intentionally mean to appear so ignorant?

      1. He’s NOT talking about the general population though.

        He’s talkibg about the prison population – people who have had their freedom removed because of criminality.

        Why not house + people together? Why not test the inmate population en masse for HIV?

        1. Polarity63 7 May 2013, 2:24pm

          Very draconian measures in my view – it just demonstrates to me the lack of tolerance & understanding that exists to this day about HIV other blood borne viruses.

          Those on successful treatment are virtually unable to pass HIV on so why would it help to segregate these individuals from other inmates – if just feeds discrimination & stigma, not to mention the increased likelihood of violence.

          The prison service needs to acknowledge what is going on under their nose & deal with it, rather than turn a blind eye & put prisoners health at risk.

          Shameful that in 2013 there are still these deeply entrenched attitudes towards HIV.

          1. Boo hoo.
            These people are prisoners. if they had not committed crimes serious enough to merit prison then they would not have to deal with this.
            Compulsory HIV yesting of all prisoners and housing + prisoners together will stop the spread of HIV n prison

          2. Polarity63 7 May 2013, 9:54pm

            I take it you are a UKIP supporter SteveC & an avid reader of the Daily Mail?

            Any thoughts on those prisoners on remand? Any realistic & workable practical solutions to this problem?

      2. factsandfigures 7 May 2013, 2:52pm

        Some while back (2011) I submitted a Freedom of Information request to the Ministry of Justice asking if they knew the number of people in prison living with HIV/AIDS and was told they didn’t collect this information. I refer http://benefits.tcell.org.uk/forums/hiv-and-prisons

        Of further interest https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/prison-population-figures

  6. Colin (London) 7 May 2013, 1:09pm

    Mmm. To me and I expect to be shot at…. Then study it properly so we can ascertain consensual sex V effectively rape and gang culture.

    When someone is sent to jail they should have rights to express themselves but curtailed via the courts.

    Rape should be seen as a failing of the prison service as drug use should be.
    It comes down to how society wishes to punish those who break the law.

    If rape is going on then put a system in place to stop this 24 hour cameras…. maybe…has issues.

    If love then should this be allowed in prison? discuss.

    If gang control or prison staff control what do we think is right.

    Analyse further and decide what rights prisoners have or are restricted from and enforce.

    I cannot accept drug use in prisons… It means those working there are part of it.

    Sort that immediately. If you cannot then you say the world is dead. It so can be sorted but certain people in control have a vested interest.
    (Police, sub contractors and Prison staff)

    1. with held 7 May 2013, 2:22pm

      As someone who has stayed in her Majesty’s hotel I can talk from experience. Officers stated that cells constitute a public place as they can see into them when they do their rounds. However under the smoking ban cells constitute a private place where people can smoke. So sex is in public and a post coital cigarette is in private despite being in the same cell.
      When I was inside I fought for nearly a year to get access to condoms. The governors weren’t interested. The head of healthcare actually agreed to a meeting with me sitting twenty feet away working on her computer with the radio on so much was her concern for the issue. Then a + prisoner left and in discussion with an officer it was mentioned he’d been active and passive with others. Cue meltdown in healthcare. New condom policy introduced. All openly gay prisoners offered them and even a visit from CID re possible GBH charges on the prisoner even though he wasn’t given the option to have condoms.

  7. not sure this loaded 7 May 2013, 2:43pm

    As someone who has stayed in her Majesty’s hotel I can talk from experience. Officers stated that cells constitute a public place as they can see into them when they do their rounds. However under the smoking ban cells constitute a private place where people can smoke. So sex is in public and a post coital cigarette is in private despite being in the same cell.
    When I was inside I fought for nearly a year to get access to condoms. The governors weren’t interested. The head of healthcare actually agreed to a meeting with me sitting twenty feet away working on her computer with the radio on so much was her concern for the issue. Then a + prisoner left and in discussion with an officer it was mentioned he’d been active and passive with others. Cue meltdown in healthcare. New condom policy introduced. All openly gay prisoners offered them and even a visit from CID re possible GBH charges on the prisoner even though he wasn’t given the option to have condoms

  8. Patrick Lyster-Todd 7 May 2013, 2:47pm

    I’m aware that there are some very good people working in the Prison Service but, equally, I have probably heard (and read) more about Prison Officers (and, in particular, their Union) that reveals many of them to be prejudiced, bigoted and unsympathetic to such issues. Therein lies the real problem.

  9. Christopher Coleman 7 May 2013, 3:50pm

    We know that sex goes on in prisons, as it does everywhere else. And it will always be same-sex relations; even straight men need an outlet if they are incarcerated for a long period. What good denying it?

  10. WoW . . .

    As one of the main prison officers dealing with HIV / AIDS Awareness and the main officer supporting Dr Silvia Casale within the NAPF (National AIDS and Prisons Forum) back in the 90s, it horrifies me to see that we have gone back to a time pre-1990s with regards to support for both staff and prisoners.

    Such a shame.

    http://www.rainbow-citizen.com

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