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  1. This week YouGov’s poll showed only 12% of people choosing to vote UKIP put gay marriage in their top 3 issues. Top 3. 12%. It is a completely non-issue.

    I’m no fan of Ben Summerskill but today on Twitter he has suggested that analysis is showing no difference between swings from Tory to UKIP in constituencies of MPs who voted for or against marriage equality.

    Peter Bone et al will use any excuse to push their hateful agenda and spin is just one of their many tactic.

    They said exactly the same thing last year before the UKIP surge too! http://www.fagburn.com/2012/05/daily-mail-bread-and-meat.html

    1. This election really has brought all the nutters out in the tory party. Even david Davis claimed in an interview that 25% of the electorate had voted UKIP. Someone should point out to him that only 30% of the electorate acrually voted at all. That means 25% of 30% voted UKIP.

      My math isn’t very good but doesn’t that mean only 7.5% of the electorate voted UKIP, and Mr Farage now thinks he is in charge?

      1. go away, adrian. the monkey cannot dance without the organ grinder.

        1. Robert in S. Kensington 6 May 2013, 9:29pm

          Less than one percent of the brainless religious nutters signed the C4M petition, doesn’t stop us and the rest of the country for treating them as bigoted hypocrites either. They couldn’t even muster enough signatures to sign the government consultation to surpass those who signed in support. Suck on that.

  2. Godric Godricson 6 May 2013, 2:25pm

    Never listen to a Conservative when it comes to matters of equality. They just can’t be trusted!

  3. Craig Nelson 6 May 2013, 2:31pm

    Yawn. The people who are saying this are those who vehemently oppose same sex marriage – they are suggesting the government withdraws a bill which has passed its committee stage unamended and passed second reading 400-175! So what they are saying is hardly surprising, given they are the hard core opponents of the bill. We have to go through this every time there’s an election. I think it’s time now to just get the bill through Parliament and have done with it.

    1. They will also say that they believe in small government and freedom from the nanny state yet they want to ban tax paying consenting adults the right to civil marriage:-)

  4. Chester666666 6 May 2013, 2:41pm

    The ones that want these to be rejected and would want this regardless of how UKIP, Tories etc do so there’s no reason to listen to them as its not about the election but being bigoted

  5. It would be utter madness for the Tories to drop the Equal Marriage bill now. By panicking, it would merely confirm that they really are the Nasty Party, alienating them forever from the younger generation who are the party’s future.

    They’d look really out of touch, with nine of our ten nearest neighbours already having signed up to Equal Marriage, and Scotland likely to do so soon.

    Instead, the painfully slow parliamentary process should be fast tracked so that it becomes law as soon as possible, using the Parliament Act if necessary.

    Once Equal Marriage is a fact and the sky hasn’t fallen in, even UKIP will worry about other things: I don’t think any reasonably mainstream party would commit to repealing it.

  6. Any gay or lesbian person who has supported UKIP has effectively indicated:

    “I am perfectly happy to be treated as a third-rate citizen, I am content to have to sit at the back of the bus provided no Romanians or Bulgarians whatsoever are allowed to get on!”

    1. Spanner1960 6 May 2013, 10:52pm

      Who said third rate? They are just denying same sex marriage, and frankly if that is the price to pay to keep the riff-raff out, I’ll suffer it.
      It is you who has all your priorities wrong.

      1. I believe they also want to do away with anti-discrimination and human rights laws. Though given the way many of their members talk about us, I’m not sure they could be trusted not to roll back LGBT rights even further. Though I agree that would definitely be worth it if they also turned the UK into some kind of paranoid island fortress. Children of Men’s Britain seemed like such a nice place to live.

  7. Jock S. Trap 6 May 2013, 3:04pm

    Scrap this bill after such strong support in the commons would be a massive mistake.

    I hope he doesn’t use the Lords as an excuse either.

    This is a campaign by haters to stop any progress because bigotry suits. It will show the Tories cannot, will not be trusted. David Cameron has a choice… to listen to the bigoted within his party making foolish, fake claims and his place in the history books as modernising this country fairly and equally.

    It’s such a shame that the nasty from UKip/Tory can’t see the fact that the majority of the country, reflected by the majority in the house of commons, support Marriage Equality.

    1. Jock S. Trap 6 May 2013, 3:10pm

      It’s just a shame also that these bigots chose to use marriage as an excuse not the real reason being the economy.

      However the media have a part to play too. They constant groan on about ukip but the tories still had the majority of seat, over double the amount by second runners labour.

      We’ll see how things go… let’s face it the majority of Ukip voters have voted in local councillors that deal with local issue by national issues. We’ll see what happens when they see nothing being done because local councillors cannot deal with national issues.

      As for ‘Farage’…. talk about ego. Let hope it falls heavily soon.

  8. There’s anectdotal evidence that UKIP are transphobic too. Apparently, Nikki Sinclair – a UKIP MEP who is out as a lesbian – has claimed that she was repeatedly asked by party members to ‘prove’ that she wasn’t transsexual. Maybe they make prospective members take some sort of gender purity test prior to joining – but they’re not Nazis, of course;)

    1. Do you have a bag full of words that you just shake up and pull out at random?

      1. No, because that would means signs of intelligence.

    2. I’m a female to male transsexual. I have never been attracted to women, only to men, and therefore ‘satisfying my craving’ for women had no factor at all in my decision to transition. Transsexual people come in all flavours of sexual orientations. If you’re going to spout bullcrap about us, at least refresh your knowledge a little so you don’t look so woefully ignorant by making such an idiotic statement.

      1. barriejohn 6 May 2013, 9:52pm

        ” If you were only ever attracted to men, why didn’t you stay as a female ?”

        You have just demonstrated that you have no understanding of the subject whatsoever, in which case the prudent course of action would be to say nothing, rather than pretend to be an expert!

    3. Yes. Because anyone who has the courage to face a society of people like you and still make the big decision to be true to themselves regardless, sounds like the kind of person I want in a politician and gets my vote.

    4. Inspector General 6 May 2013, 4:31pm

      “Oh, who will buy my cakes ?”

    5. I would be more than happy to entrust my political (or other) representation to a person who had experienced prejudice and difficult decisions and therefore I hope would be more compassionate in their treatment of others. More than happy to be represented by someone who felt that being honest was more important than compromising themsleves in order to be one of the crowd. As for ther surgery, it does not matter to me if my MP is circumcised, has a genital piercing, has an intimate tattoo, has had penis or breast enlargement because I don’t see how any of these things affect your ability to work as an MP or reflects on their character as a decent human being.

    6. I would be more than happy for someone to represent me if I knew they had personal experience of prejudice and discrimination. I would expect that this would lead to a more empathic and compassionate way of thinking. I would be more than happy to be represented by someone who has come to the conclusion that being honest is more important than compromising your principles just to fit in with the crowd. As for your question about gender reassignment surgery, it doesn’t matter to me if my MP or anyone else representing me is circumcised, has a genital piercing or tattoo, has had a vasectomy or their tubes tied, has had a hysterectomy or orchidectomy, has had breast or penis augmentation, or likes to shave their genitals so they are smooth and hairless. It doesn’t matter to me because I don’t see how any of these things pertain to their character.

    7. Maccus Curia 6 May 2013, 11:54pm

      Wow! Wonderful well reasoned post. Be loud, be proud!

  9. Goodness – not even Russia, a country with more cases than most in front of the ECHR, is talking of bailing out of the European Convention on Human Rights.

    Really how much credibility internationally would the UK have if it bailed out of this system that was set up in part as a result of WWII ?

  10. If the equal marriage bill is scrapped there will be riots bigger than the poll tax riots and the recent riots put together. You can’t promise equality and then take it away without paying a very big price. The genie is out of the bottle.

    1. As much as I hate to agree with crazy people who refer to themselves in the third person, the Inspector is much closer to the mark.

      Plus riots are not something I would want to see, masses and masses of peaceful protests are. Rioting would punish the wrong people, as in the most recent riots where people almost burned to death in their beds and watched their livelihoods go up in flames. I don’t think rioting would garner any support or respect either.

      1. Not really. (Note: I’m a different John).

        Of course, poll tax was an exaggeration, but so is ‘quietly going home’. The gay lobby will never let the Conservatives off the hook. Currently most gay groups are fairly neutral towards the political parties, but they’ll instantly turn on the Tories if the proposals were dropped. Their reputation as a ‘modernised’ party will also be utterly destroyed.

        Plus there’s the Lib Dems. They haven’t been happy at all in this coalition. Lords reform… Alternative Voting etc. These are all Lib Dem policies that haven’t gone through. Gay marriage going down might just be the final straw for them.

        1. I didn’t say there would be no repercussions, but to say that people will riot in the streets is ridiculous and it’s not something to aspire to. People who riot and destroy property (when not as a last resort) are criminals.

          How well did you think of the anti-gay protesters in France who threatened the state with violence? I thought they were a bunch of thugs, and not because I didn’t agree with their politics.

          Peaceful protest is the best way forward.

          If you (the proverbial you, not any one person called John specifically) are denied your rights in this instance, take a long hard look at your actions. Did you do all that you could do to convince your MP to vote in favour of the bill? Did you lobby the House of Lords? Or did you sit on your arse? If the answer is no to any but the last question, then what right do you have to even threaten the state with biggest riots in living history.

          PS There is no such thing as a last straw for the Lib Dems.

        2. It’s strange that you use the term “gay lobby”. I’ve only ever heard bigoted homophobes (and possibly Spanner) use such a term before.

          That is just an observation not an accusation

    2. Oh get real, what planet are you on? Gays in Britain don’t riot, we’re far too well brought up to stoop that low – rioting is for bling-loving boneheads who don’t care a toss about any cause except smashing shop windows to get their thieving hands on the latest pair of trainers/mobile phone etc. We are now a fundamental and integral part of the establishment and that is why we are winning our full civil rights.

  11. A shallow brook babbles the loudest.

  12. Robert in S. Kensington 6 May 2013, 3:11pm

    If equal marriage were the reason why the Tory party lost 9 councils which isn’t that huge in the scheme of things, then Labour would have lost more since the majority of its party voted for the legislation and gained 291 seats last week. So opposition to equal marriage hasn’t resonated with them it seems. They should have lost far more than they gained if there were so much resistance to it. It’s a red herring that won’t play out. There’s no way Cameron is going to drop the legislation. Bone, Burrowes and Loughton can rant all they want. As long as they do, they’ll remain where they are, on the back bench and eventually out of office. Moving to the right can only harm the party in the long run. Just look at the election in 2010, a hung parliament when there was not even an equal marriage bill drafted.

  13. Robert in S. Kensington 6 May 2013, 3:13pm

    Oh and I have a suggestion to make to Bone(head). Why doesn’t he defect to the UKIP himself taking all of his colleagues with him? I’m surprised that not one has. I wonder why?

  14. Peter Bone and Gerald Howarth……not exactly the biggest fans of gay rights are they!. Fancy them lsuggesting scrapping “gay” marriage yet again, I wouldn’t have guessed it!

    Would make more sense if the Tory party just pulled their figure out on the bill, came out with a date for the third reading and whacked it thru the HoL without any further delay…

    The whole thing could be over by the summer and Bone and Howarth could find yet another thing to pick holes in the Tory party and Cameron…Why don’t they just f%ck off to the UKIP party if they love it so much? Too scared to lose their MP status when the next election comes around becuase quite frakly UKIP have no chance of making any impact at a general election.

  15. Hot air more like.

    1. sputum more like. and spanner thought he had something intelligent to say! a gormless bigot more like, that speaks of himself in the third person, deranged i tell ya!

  16. Anthony Sollace 6 May 2013, 4:29pm

    Again and again this ongoing thing about gay marriage and losing conservative voters. For a change and to those who have issues with this, I became a conservative voter when David Cameron changed his stance on gay marriage with the historic line that he supports it because he IS A CONSERVATIVE. It is fair to say that a lot of conservative voters will be won with this modernisation of the party. Therefore it wil offset by more than enough those who oppose it. Dropping the gay marriage bill would be a disaster given the current state of events: legalising gay marriage in France, legalising it slowly in the US, legalising it in Scotland next year and so on…
    Being gay it’s not a choice or lifestyle. It is a genetic setting that comes with birth.
    Therefore if you are straight man or woman imagine not being able to legally marry your opposing partner. This is how gay people feel when they are not allowed to marry their same sex partner.
    It is as simple as that.

    1. Inspector General 6 May 2013, 4:42pm

      No it’s not. you have CP, you ingrate !

      But this man has yet to find a conservative hostile to the idea of CP. Many have come round to it over the years, and NO, they will NEVER come around to SSM, including the Inspector himself.

      1. That There Other David 6 May 2013, 5:33pm

        Yeah yeah, heard it all before back in 2004. How CPs would NEVER be considered legitimate etc.

        Then the world changed anyway.

        The Bill will become an Act regardless of your views and that of your tiny group of similar-thinking friends. Unlike yourself Cameron and his team know how much their opponents stand to gain if he even thinks about dropping it. Salmond, Clegg, and Milliband must all be salivating at the thought of it being obstructed by the Tories.

      2. Beelzeebub 6 May 2013, 6:22pm

        Oh go back to CRANMER and talk to you delusional friends about your d!ckheaded evil deity.

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 6 May 2013, 4:48pm

      Entirely agree with that. Several reliable polls prior to the consultation and after revealed that 53% of Tory voters would support the party in 2015 and who also indicated support for equal marriage. Dropping equal marriage, which isn’t going to happen, would be deadly for the party if you look at the 2010 election results when there wasn’t even an equal marriage bill in draft form going in to the election It needs the gay vote more than ever. I voted for them for the first time because of Cameron’s support for equal marriage and Brown’s bungling of the economy. I will vote for Cameron again.

  17. You must be new here.
    This particular rubbish has been bunked about 3589710357318056294 times before. -_-

  18. The Liberal Democrats need to make it clear that if they do drop the marriage equality bill they will form a coalition with Labour to form the next government. There is NO way that the Tories can win a majority in the next election if they drop the marriage equality bill. They will need to form a coalition government. Now is the time for the Lib Dems to flex their muscle.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 6 May 2013, 5:01pm

      Cameron isn’t going to drop equal marriage and willingly hand the election to Labour on a plate in 2015. There are more voters for equal marriage than against in spite of what UKIP and other delusional fools on the right bang on about. 53% of Tory voters support it, the majority of Labour and Liberal Democrats do. There is no way Cameron’s government is going to scrap it, political suicide. There’s a younger generation of potential Tory voters out there, most of whom indicate support for equal marriage, especially those who’ve gone on to higher education something which Tory opponents on the back bench foolishly ignore. They just don’t see the larger picture in the long run.

      UKIP is essentially comprised mostly of uneducated, ill informed ignorant people on stagnant wages led by a privately educated opportunist in a tailored pin stripe suit exploiting racism in the immigration debate and irrational obsessive fear of the EU.

    2. The probability of the next election ending up in a situation where the Lib Dems could give either Labour or the Tories a majority is probably quite low (it didn’t quite happen last time round – they would have been a few short with Labour), and I imagine they would be quite likely to support Labour in that situation anyway, so this isn’t much of a bargaining chip.

      I don’t think we can really guess what the cabinet are saying to each other on SSM. Maybe Cameron himself really is determined to see it through (thinking that it will be remembered as a human rights landmark for decades to come and associated with his name), or maybe all the pressure is from the Lib Dems already, or maybe the Tory members are mostly convinced the bill is doing them more good than harm in the long run and so won’t be swayed by arguments like this. Who knows?

  19. barriejohn 6 May 2013, 4:45pm

    I watched Question Time the week before last, and was appalled at the sight of representatives of the three major parties – Simon Hughes included – falling over themselves to prove that they were as tough on immigration as UKIP. This pandering to extremism has got to stop. I live in the Eastleigh area, and it was apparent on the news that many of the people who were voting for UKIP had no idea what their policies were apart from “keeping the foreigners out”. They wouldn’t even know what Farage’s line WAS on equal marriage – but then, no one knows what his line is on most things, because he either won’t say or keeps changing his mind. I am not a Tory supporter, but we need more people like Ken Clarke to show up UKIP for the bunch of clowns that they are. They should NOT be dictating government policy, and if the other parties keep drifting to the right because of this so-called “threat” that just gives them the respectability that they crave.

  20. David Cameron 6 May 2013, 5:09pm

    Hi Y’all.
    Been chewing over this gay marriage gig and the upshot of it is, I ain’t gonna do it.
    Sorry for gettin’ your hopes up’n’all but UKIP is a howlin’ at the door and I aim to keep me job!

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 6 May 2013, 7:12pm

      In your delusional dreams, moron! UKIP hasn’t even one MP in Parliament and if it did, it would need many more than that to be of any significance. Not going to happen. So stew in your ignorance and stupidity. You’re a perfect match for UKIP, shit for brains.

      1. barriejohn 6 May 2013, 8:09pm

        I wondered whether the comment was meant as irony. It’s always difficult to tell!

        1. Robert in S. Kensington 6 May 2013, 9:23pm

          Yes, it may well be and if it is, then I recant.

      2. Spanner1960 6 May 2013, 10:54pm

        Had this recent event been a general election, UKIP would have quite a few MPs by now.
        You are obviously getting desperate now Robbie, you are calling people names.

  21. A lot of tweed clad tory arses have been twitching because of the threat of giving a small minority (one that has been derided, hunted, beaten and prosecuted) for centuries, a little bit of equality.
    Well, let ‘em twitch and let ‘em squirm.

    1. Beelzeebub 6 May 2013, 6:19pm

      Go f\/ck yourself

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 6 May 2013, 7:10pm

        Not with an extremely ugly face like that, Beelzeebub! It’s probably a true resemblance.

        He sounds a lot like Adrian Hilton or a ‘wannabe’. These right wing nutters come in here because they know they’re losing the battle> Desperation is what it’s all about because they don’t have an audience anywhere else, not that he really has one here, deluded fool. They should spend more time getting their own house in order such as the hetero bigoted adulterers, the ones who really threaten marriage without any help from us. .

        1. Beelzeebub 6 May 2013, 8:02pm

          And anyone who self references themselves as “The Inspector” is clearly some sad little dweeb with delusions of grandeur.

          He probably sexually excites himself when he comes to this forum.

          Its his repressed sexuality at play.

          Its to be pitied.

      2. Beelzeebub 6 May 2013, 8:03pm

        Maybe your gawd will make it so.

        Go pray to it, you imbecile.

      3. Beelzeebub 6 May 2013, 8:06pm

        PS Inspector Twat.

        You are all over the internet like a rash.

        https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=inspector+general&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#client=firefox-a&hs=7T7&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&sclient=psy-ab&q=inspector+general+cranmer&oq=inspector+general+cranmer&gs_l=serp.3…18211.20389.0.20983.8.8.0.0.0.0.226.1217.0j7j1.8.0…0.0…1c.1.12.psy-ab.5-Sup6gApMg&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45960087,d.ZWU&fp=e7330971c05d6793&biw=1280&bih=895

        Clearly a homophobic troll in need of CPS inspection.

        1. Robert in S. Kensington 7 May 2013, 12:44pm

          PN ought to ban accounts for people like him. I was told that it’s costly to do so, but it really isn’t. It’s probably Adrian Hilton who doesn’t even have the courage or the guts to admit it. Cowards always hide when the going gets tough. He also has an association with C4M. People like him come in here and report back to HQ to let them now what we’re doing and saying.

  22. That There Other David 6 May 2013, 5:27pm

    You’re not very politically savvy are you?

    Why do you think the supposed “left-wing” media gives so much airtime to Farage? Because they support what he says, or because it causes a LOT of discord within the Tories?

  23. why do you comment on this site so much?

    1. I do wonder what has gone so wrong in your life that you find yourself making all these unpleasant comments on here. It is very sad

  24. Jane McQueen 6 May 2013, 5:44pm

    You know there are probably more LBG & T people in the UK than religious people who attend a a church or temple each week, so to bow down and drop something to a tiny minority of people who adhere to bronze age dogma would not only be the wrong thing to do. But would be totally immoral and unjust. In a free society people should be allowed to do as they like as long as they cause no harm to other people. Marriage Equality would cause no harm to anyone at all, so logically it should be allowed with no problems.

    Oh and there will be enough people in the Lords who will enable it to pass, and if not there is the Parliament Act.

    1. Beelzeebub 6 May 2013, 6:21pm

      33 million f\/ckwits.

    2. Most of those consider themselves cultural Christians. When questioned on their beliefs, less than 12% of the 52% of British Christians go to church and believed that Jesus was the son of god. A stat that’s decreasing by the year.
      By definition, less than 10.5% of Brits are bible believing Christians, who attend a weekly service.
      God’s on his last breath.

    3. barriejohn 6 May 2013, 8:12pm

      Wow! The churches must be packed!

    4. Jane McQueen 6 May 2013, 8:18pm

      I know plenty of Christians who support marriage equality, you are on the wrong side of history, along with the anti-abolitionists, thw anit-civil rights loby, those for apartheid and a whole host of other people who wished to deny others equal rights. People holding your view on equal marriage will be but a footnote in human history that school children discuses with hilarity at the fact some people believed the things you do.

  25. Pavlos Prince of Greece 6 May 2013, 6:25pm

    How serious is it ? I mean, House of Commons has already vote, House of Lords will vote in the next few weeks on gay marriage, Mr. Cameron has supporting this wit great passion. In such situation every scraping will be interpreted by the public as his political defeat, and much lesser as victory of right-wing Tories and ukip. All, what happens now, is nothing than pressure on gay friendly Conservative Lords, and not on Cameron, right ?

    1. That There Other David 6 May 2013, 7:21pm

      Indeed, and most importantly that pressure to stop the bill comes from the exact same people and organisations that already voiced their opposition. There isn’t a growing movement against the Bill, quite the opposite.

      Anyone getting nervous needs to remember that exactly the same uncertainty and doubt propaganda was being spread a year ago. The Bill was never going to get to second reading, they said, then it would be defeated, they said. Now they say it will be withdrawn, yet have absolutely no evidence for that being the case. The rumours aren’t even really rumours, just fear being put about by people who can’t accept they’ve already lost. Nothing to worry about.

  26. nixiotemba 6 May 2013, 6:32pm

    I dont really understand why a troll like you is not totally banned,……. of course its for the fun of it

    1. barriejohn 6 May 2013, 9:42pm

      That’s what they’re hoping for; then they can say how intolerant the liberals are. It becomes even more amusing when you see how meticulously some of the Christians police their blogs!

      1. barriejohn 7 May 2013, 8:49am

        Oh, dear. He has now gone and the comments stream makes no sense at all!

        1. barriejohn 7 May 2013, 8:58am

          That was supposed to be a reply to an earlier comment. I din’t know what happened there!

  27. Next you’ll be saying we should be happy we don’t have to sit at the back of the bus…

  28. adrian, your skewed view of sexuality and sexual politics reek of god-abuse. too much god, especially mainlining from the ‘holy’ fable-book, will kill you, hopefully. what you do in the privacy of your bedsit is entirely up to you, but don’t think for a second that there is any merit in what you post, adrian. so FOD, tyke.

  29. one thing that can be said of the nasty party, is that they will eat themselves of power. i remember reading that they promised civil marriages for lgbt, in a desperate measure to appeal to marginal voters, to appear to be a party that has changed… it’s a bit rich (but absolutely hysterical!) that the chinless wonders are now backbiting their own PM because policies aren’t appealing enough to the right-wing extremist-religionists in their midst (ie. those types that made you unelectable for over a decade)! the reason why their support is diminishing is due, in part, to the countless u-turns and ‘blame it on the last guys’ attitude! although it is fun that tories forget they aren’t scared of the clueless farage. what will you get when he gets in power!? utterly, utterly deranged!

  30. You utter delusional fool. Really? Do you really think the Same Sex Marriage bill is going to sink even though 60%+ of the population supports it along with all 3 main parties? Even if it is sent back from the Lords, there is no way that it is going to be dropped. The Conservatives would never hear the end of it from Labour. Nick Clegg and the Lib Dems would go absolutely berserk.

    This year we’ll be seeing the first gay marriages. I hope you don’t suffer a heart attack when you see it on the news you delusional moron.

  31. ‘You don’t get much space here for a serious discourse, do you !’

    You do if you have something serious to say

  32. I have little sympathy for Cameron and a lurch to the right will no doubt help my party, Labour. However what right do UKIP start having in dictating who is the PM of our country when they have zero MPs and have benefited from a protest vote based on as much as ‘none of the above’ than on UKIPs policies (or those that actually exist and which promise all things to all people)

    1. Yeah, because Labour aren’t lurching to the right or getting loads of protest votes.

  33. Maccus Curia 6 May 2013, 11:49pm

    In a democracy people are entitled to change their minds and it appears they are doing so. Let’s face it, all this whinging about the ‘right’ to hold a faux ‘marriage’ has past its sell by date.

  34. GingerlyColors 7 May 2013, 12:04am

    Most people in this country are happy for gay people to enjoy full marriage rights. Also most people in this country want a referendum on Europe.
    If David Cameron drops his equal marriage proposals while continually refusing to give us a referendum then he can consider his goose well and truly cooked in 2015.
    He needs to get equal marriage through Parliament pronto and and announce a date for a referendum.
    Labour’s reform of gay laws when they were in power did not dent their popularity and the scrapping of Section 28, lowering the age of consent to 16 and introduction of Civil Partnerships ended up becoming non-issues for much of the population.
    If leaving Europe makes Britain a second-rate country like Norway then bring it on! They enjoy some of the best human rights, marriage equality and a strong economy.
    If I sound like a little Englander then those those in Scotland who intend voting for independence now that they have been granted a referendum must be little Scotlanders.

    1. As the pollsters keep pointing out, if you ask “would you like a referendum on X?”, you almost always get a large majority of people saying “yes”. Referendums are popular no matter what the subject.

      Maybe you are aware of this, but Norway has an extremely close relationship with the EU, and has agreed to follow many of its laws in return for access to the common market (the same goes for Switzerland, Iceland, and Liechtenstein). The UK’s economy would probably collapse if we didn’t do the same.

      I don’t really have a strong opinion on Scottish independence, but voting to leave a sovereign state isn’t really equivalent to voting to leave a supranational organisation – the SNP want Scotland to become an EU member if it gains independence.

      1. GingerlyColors 7 May 2013, 11:15am

        The SNP wants an ‘independent’ Scotland to join the EU? Frying pans and fires come to mind here.

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