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Church of England denies reports that gay dean Jeffrey John, is set to become Bishop of Durham

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  1. There’s no such thing as a “celibate civil partnership”, it’s simply called “civil partnership”.

    The church’s understanding of civil partnership is misguided. Celibacy is a CofE requirement and has nothing to do with your civil status.

    If the guy really wants the job then I hope he gets it but I doubt he will and quite frankly I don’t know why he bothers trying. The CofE will always discriminate against gays, they’re legally allowed to and there’s no sign they are about to change.

  2. Colin (London) 7 May 2013, 11:18am

    I am sorry….it’s religion. They are all nutters to me an agnostic.

  3. Paul Brownsey 7 May 2013, 11:19am

    According to the statements quoted in the story, the CofE has NOT denied that he will become bishop. It has just refused to say Yes or No and has wittered about confidentiality and speculation. Do try to be accurate.

  4. Paul Brownsey 7 May 2013, 11:28am

    This story is misleading.

    Nothing attributed to the CofE in the story amounts to a denial by the CofE that John will become the bishop.

    The CofE has just refused to say Yes or No, and talked about confidentiality and speculation.

    That doesn’t amount to a denial.

    Do try to be accurate.

    Oh, and there is nothing linguistically amiss in talking of a celibate civil partnership, any more than there is in talking about a happy marriage – would John say, “It’s simply called ‘marriage'”?

    1. I’ve never heard anyone refer to a “celibate marriage”. The CofE frequently refers to “celibate” CPs and gay relationships. In fact they make a point of making them non sexual and would like to ideally equate them to the same kind of relationships that elderly sisters might have living together in the same house and sharing the household bills.

      Ask the Bishops of Truro what he thinks CPs are? I just have and it appears they are frequently non sexual , completely different to marriages I presume!

      1. Paul Brownsey 8 May 2013, 11:17am

        “I’ve never heard anyone refer to a “celibate marriage”.”

        If you peruse a handbook of saints you may find entries on people who were married but celibate within the marriage.

        I do not say this to uphold the position of the CofE, only to point out that while it is bizarre for the CofE to take the line that gays can have CPs but must remain celibate within them, the bare idea of a celibate marriage or a celibate civil partnership is not intrinsically unintelligible.

  5. Robert in S. Kensington 7 May 2013, 11:50am

    There is no way the CoE will select him now that he is openly gay. It opposes female bishops so this is no surprise.

    As for celibate civil partnerships, well, utter tosh. Does Welby and his gang of god botherers really believe gay civil partnered clergy are celibate? Delusional! Not even many catholic priests are able to maintain and they’re not even allowed to form a legal union with male or female. Celibacy is an unnatural act anyway, perverse in some ways and extremely difficult to enforce unless someone is watching you 24 hours a day, 365/6 days a year. Clearly, the CoE can’t face reality.

  6. Robert in S. Kensington 7 May 2013, 11:52am

    I have some advice for Dr. John. Leave, and join the Episcopalians if you must remain a cleric. You’ll be treated far better and clergy free to marry a gay couple if they so choose.

  7. I wonder what counts as celibate in a gay relationship. No anal?

    Me and my husband hardly ever had anal any more since we adopted a baby, it is easier to fit a quick blowie or jerk off into the childcare schedule than a full on bumming.

    Are we now celibate and therefore all good in the eyes of the lord?

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 7 May 2013, 1:15pm

      Any sexual contact is prohibited in the eyes of the Anglican and Roman cults, even mutual masturbation. In a way though, that the CoE imposes this requirement only on gay couples in their ranks proves beyond any doubt and debunks the myth among opponents that CPs are equal. What the cult is doing with this unenforceable imposition is classifying them as inferior by default. If they could have it all their way, they would like it if all non-clergy CPd couples would remain celibate. I can’t imagine that Welby and his hierarchy actually believe celibacy is being observed. You can bet that a few single bishops what few there are don’t masturbate (onanism) or even married ones for that matter, something else that’s frowned upon in the old testament.

  8. …and the openly gay Dean of St Albans has been tipped for the job.

    Been tipped by whom? This is more than a bit of a non-story, PN.


  9. I think he should replace Welby as Archbishop. He would a far better Archbishop. All very sad and hateful.

  10. How can someone honestly lead and conduct a church service when he knows that God condems all things homesexually!! I would very much like to hear from Bishop John his accounts of why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. I am not disrespecting anybodys sexuality or breaking any laws here, but I can not find any justification in any of the many different bibles that agrees in homesexuality within the work of Jesus ministry’s. Anything outside of the teachings and the ministry of Jesus is clearly wrong and unacceptable to God, and clearly should be clearly unnaceptable by the Church of England and other Churches. Because the present day and system is alive with individual rights and entitlements by law does this mean that the top leaders of the different churches feel that the correct choice is to go along with politics and recent laws in favour of Gods in the hope and protection of not being sued for being homophobic? We can jump around the outskirts of this argument for ever, but anyone with comon sence all clearly know that there clearly is no acceptance of homesexuality in Christian leadership.

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