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Scottish Conservatives ex-deputy leader: ‘Scotland’s equal marriage bill must safeguard religious liberties’

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  1. Chester666666 1 May 2013, 2:53pm

    Never worried them when it was gay liberties that they trampled on and now that the show is on the other foot they are whining and whinging

  2. That There Other David 1 May 2013, 3:02pm

    As usual, what they are actually complaining about is losing the right to discriminate against others. There are no threats to religious liberties involved in the Holyrood bill, nor the Westminster one.

  3. Spanner1960 1 May 2013, 3:07pm

    His right about liberties. Bloody liberties more like.

    These people have tried to deny us everything, but still seem to think that their choice of belief over-rides our basic human rights, so they can continue to treat us like scum because their books tell them so.

    As somebody pointed out recently, what is to stop anyone having a religion to claim whatever they like?
    Before you know it, we will end up in the same situation as the US where they protect the likes of those evil fuckers, the Westboro Baptist Church, and allow them to say and do as they like as a protection of free speech and religious faith.

    This is a very dangerous path to take, and the like of Muslims with their Sharia law will be quick to pounce on it.

    We have one law in this land, and you either follow it, or go to court.

  4. Spanner1960 1 May 2013, 3:07pm

    His right about liberties. Bloody liberties more like.

    These people have tried to deny us everything, but still seem to think that their choice of belief over-rides our basic human rights, so they can continue to treat us like scum because their books tell them so.

    As somebody pointed out recently, what is to stop anyone having a religion to claim whatever they like?
    Before you know it, we will end up in the same situation as the US where they protect the likes of those evil fu**ers, the Westboro Baptist Church, and allow them to say and do as they like as a protection of free speech and religious faith.

    This is a very dangerous path to take, and the like of Muslims with their Sharia law will be quick to pounce on it.

    We have one law in this land, and you either follow it, or go to court.

  5. Spanner1960 1 May 2013, 3:08pm

    His right about liberties. Bloody liberties more like.

    These people have tried to deny us everything, but still seem to think that their choice of belief over-rides our basic human rights, so they can continue to treat us like scum because their books tell them so.

    As somebody pointed out recently, what is to stop anyone having a religion to claim whatever they like?
    Before you know it, we will end up in the same situation as the US where they protect the likes of those evil bigots, the Westboro Baptist Church, and allow them to say and do as they like as a protection of free speech and religious faith.

    This is a very dangerous path to take, and the like of Muslims with their Sharia law will be quick to pounce on it.

    We have one law in this land, and you either follow it, or go to court.

    1. Spanner1960 1 May 2013, 3:09pm

      Oops, sorry for the repeat post, this website is playing silly buggers again.

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 1 May 2013, 3:37pm

      On this one, I thoroughly agree with you. No amount of special protections, exemptions and guarantees will ever be enough for any of them, north and south of the border. What they really want is for the EM bill to disappear altogether. They’re in for a rude awakening. A minority of religious nutters will never get the upper the upper hand anywhere in the UK. They can delude themselves all they want, EM is coming so they just need to get over themselves for a change.

      1. Spanner1960 1 May 2013, 5:40pm

        Sorry? EM? Equal marriage?

  6. How about religion respecting secular liberties?. At least until we vote a theocracy in

  7. Enough of this religious exceptionalism, never heard you speaking out when religious folk were having their religious liberties, civil and human rights trampled on and trashed – or is this another of these one way streets. There is nothing in the principles of Scottish law that you can harm or hurt people and avoid the consequences by claiming god told you to do it. Deeply and sincerely held beliefs whether religious or not do not exempt you from respecting the civil and human rights of others, equally1

    Religious belief is already protected under the Human Rights Act ’98, the European Convention and the Equality Act we do not need any more favoritism for religious delusions.
    The religious who want to have everyone else follow their rules need to be told in no uncertain terms to back off and get over themselves.

  8. OOPs that should read:

    Enough of this religious exceptionalism, never heard you speaking out Murdo, when non-religious folk were having their liberties, civil and human rights trampled on and trashed – or is this another of these one way streets. There is nothing in the principles of Scottish law that you can harm or hurt people and avoid the consequences by claiming god told you to do it. Deeply and sincerely held beliefs whether religious or not do not exempt you from respecting the civil and human rights of others, equally1

    Religious belief is already protected under the Human Rights Act ’98, the European Convention and the Equality Act we do not need any more favoritism for religious delusions.
    The religious who want to have everyone else follow their rules need to be told in no uncertain terms to back off and get over themselves.

  9. The reason Mr Fraser is the ex-deputy leader is that he lost the leadership election to Ruth Davidson, an out lesbian.

    The spectacle of has-been politicians trying to resuscitate their careers by pandering to the unfounded anxieties of constituents whose emotions have been whipped up by mendacious bigots and theocratic religious extremists is highly unsavoury.

    Take a seat, Mr Fraser.

  10. One of those ‘list’ MSPs no one would actually vote for

  11. The right to a ‘religious belief’ has never, as far as I’m aware, been in question. What IS in question is a ‘religious believer’s right to discriminate or incite hatred’. People must be allowed to beieve what they want – however childish and silly. But that ‘belief’ must NEVER be allowed to be a licence to preach hatred and discrimination. keep your ‘belief’ to yourself and let the rest of us get on with our lives without your constant bleating.

    1. floridahank 1 May 2013, 4:14pm

      The problen is religion in most of its forms. They’re all taking their own interpretation of the Holy Bible and living their own form of God. Tell me, where in the Holy Bible did Jesus Christ or his Apostles ever advocate hatred and discrimination against people? His message was to follow His principles, repent for your sins, and love your neighbor as yourself. But nobody follows the Ten Commandments anymore — they’ve all taken on their own selfish belief systems and that’s why religion is a negative part of our society. The true followers of Jesus Christ is not a religion — it’s following a perfect person who holds the Truth for everyone who wants to find it. So don’t confuse Jesus Christ with any religion.

  12. Jock S. Trap 1 May 2013, 4:14pm

    Oh for pity sake… this is getting quite boring. They do like the sound of their own voice a bit too much.

  13. Yes, we can’t hurt the feelings of bigots now can we?
    Never mind the gays, we must appease the ignorant bigots.

  14. That mouth needs a fat cock shoved into it. What a closeted freak. I am so tired of people demanding the right to keep discriminating, bullying and harassing people who do not hurt them, affect them or otherwise have anything to do with them.

    There is no hate like Christian hate. I think in many ways it os worse than Muslim hate, as it has more mainstream acceptance.

    1. Paul Brownsey 1 May 2013, 8:24pm

      Do you have any evidence that he is closeted? Or is that just a routine term of abuse for a homophobe?

      1. I imagine he’d have (great) difficulty getting a man….or a woman!

  15. “There are few issues which feature so prominently in my constituency mail bag as that of same-sex marriage.”

    Can we have the numbers please?

    1. What sad lives these people must have — really, honestly, sitting down writing to him.For God’s sake!

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