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  1. Why be a member of any party that is against equal rights?

    1. Spanner1960 29 Apr 2013, 2:40pm

      They are not.
      Try reading their manifesto.

      1. Liam the God 29 Apr 2013, 2:41pm

        On the UKIP website it states they are against Same Sex Marriage. End. Of. Argument!

        1. Spanner1960 29 Apr 2013, 3:09pm

          Agreed, it is the one facet of their manifesto I disagree with, which is why I won’t vote for them out of principle.
          They are not “against equal rights” per se or homophobic, but they don’t do themselves any favours with policies like this.

          1. honestly you’re a bit nuts. We’re not against equal rights we just dont want queers getting married

          2. Spanner1960 29 Apr 2013, 3:30pm

            Please try looking up the phrase “per se” – it’s from a language they call Latin, but I doubt they taught you that in your sink estate comprehensive.
            It means “in itself”; I realise that equal rights should be applied to all, but they have made an exception, which I agree is wrong, but it does not mean UKIP do not support equal rights in other areas.

          3. Spanner

            You are a wretched human bieing

          4. Well said, James. He’s a sad and lonely little loser who cannot get on with his immigrant neighbours.

          5. Spanner1960 29 Apr 2013, 4:08pm

            They obviously didn’t teach you English either by the looks of your spelling.

          6. So some people get more rights than others and this is a commitment to equality?

            The grammar schools I attended taught me a different definition of “equality”.

      2. “Spanner1960” said on Saturday 27 April 2013:

        “Most gay men I know are the most selfish, vain, egotistical bunch of gits on the planet, and the concept of a ‘gay community’ is a total myth . . . ”

        “Spanner1960” said exactly the same thing several times on threads in this PinkNews community a number of years ago. Every time “Spanner1960” speaks like this he totally insults us.

        Vote him down, make all his comments disappear, and ignore him.

      3. People said “try reading the LibDem manifesto” before the 2010 election……….
        Think we need more concrete evidence.

  2. Robert in S. Kensington 29 Apr 2013, 12:10pm

    Nothing will come of it. Perhaps a mealy-mouthed distancing from it by Farage. UKIP gays who support a party against equal marriage? Oxymorons, voting for their own oppressors. Disgusting!

    1. Spanner1960 29 Apr 2013, 3:11pm

      From what I can see, there is a strong Christian contingent within the party which is why they won’t cross that line.

  3. Who are these idiots in UKIP LGBT, surely no one is that stupid? to support their own oppressors? Bet the named and shamed homophobic candidates are still in the running for election, obviously ukip are more concerned with the racist tag.

    1. Sadly some gay people are also racist and xenophobic. I knew one once who voted BNP. They didn’t stay a friend for much longer once I saw that darker side of them. I should imagine it’s the same with the ones who’ve joined UKIP.

  4. Aside from the vast amount of mainly supportive publicity that UKIP get on TV, the party has a well-oiled publicity machine on the social networks. Therefore I’d urge anyone who uses Facebook, Twitter etc to counter their racism, homophobia and other bigotry. Young people need to know the truth about UKIP, and they’re not getting the facts on the BBC and mass-media networks.

    1. Spanner1960 29 Apr 2013, 2:41pm

      Vast amount?
      They weren’t even mentioned until a month or so back.

    2. The problem is that the BBC seem obsessed with Farage. No other UKIP spokesman or representative is allowed on TV or radio. He has even been a guest on HIGNFY, a privilege not extended to any other serving Party leader. (Charlie Kennedy had resigned long before his appearance).
      UKIP seem nervous about letting their followers take part in uncontrolled, live discussion…..

  5. I have no time or respect for these pick-and-choose bigots.

  6. de Villiers 29 Apr 2013, 12:39pm

    Which, James, you already are.

    1. de Villiers 29 Apr 2013, 1:31pm

      Yes, Mark Y, yes! List the undesirables to exclude from our happy gay community. First gay Catholics! Then all gay Christians! Then gay Jews! Then gay Muslims! Then gay Conservatives! Then everyone gay who is black/brown/not white!

      No doubt the list can grow and grow!

    2. Spanner1960 29 Apr 2013, 3:12pm

      I second that.

      1. Devillers you got support from spanner. What does that tell you?

        1. de Villiers 29 Apr 2013, 3:48pm

          I don’t know James!

          It could be worse!! The support could be from you!!!!!

  7. UKIP has an lgbt group? Good grief.

  8. You forgot to mention gay catholics to that list James!

  9. That There Other David 29 Apr 2013, 12:49pm

    Christ, I’d like to give these idiots a damn good shake in the hope they wake up a bit. How many more examples of proof do they need before they realise they’re only tolerated in UKIP for PR reasons?

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 29 Apr 2013, 1:34pm

      Similar to the excuses MPs used to vote against equal marriage. “I’m not homophobic, I have gay friends and I support CPs”, bull-shite.

    1. have you met spanner?

    2. Spanner1960 29 Apr 2013, 2:44pm

      What a tosser.
      There is more to life than gay rights.
      I reckon you would vote for Attila the Hun if he was pro-gay.
      Again, classic leftie guilt-trip mentality – if you are gay and go against the socialist clique, you must be “self-hating”.
      Well sorry sunshine, I like myself, it’s ignorant, blinkered twats like you that get up my nose.

      1. Your comment would be like a black guy saying there is more to life than racial equality – it’s just stupid. I’m sure you’re not stupid, I suspect your problem is that you just hate immigrants and would vote for any party if they were anti immigration. And no I wouldn’t vote for atillia the hun if he were pro-gay, what a ridiculous thing to say, maybe you are stupid.

        1. Spanner1960 29 Apr 2013, 3:35pm

          I guess you are right. I’m sure even black people wouldn’t be too worried about racial equality if there were no schools or hospitals or the crime rate was through the roof.
          We are talking about same-sex marriage here – nothing more. Hell, yes, I want to get married, but there are more important things going on right now, such as the economy, employment, crime rates, Europe etc. What’s the point of being able to marry your man if you haven’t got a job and can’t afford to eat?
          This isn’t all about LGBT people; get some bloody perspective will you.

          1. And UKIP are going to deliver all those things. LOL.

          2. Why should gay people stand behind a political party that actively tries to exclude them from society?
            It doesn’t matter if UKIP somehow manages to give everyone jobs and makes the economy grow by 10% every year for the next century, if gay people cannot be a part of that, then gay people will not be falling over themselves to get behind UKIP.

            The sad fact is that the rights of LGBT people in this country have been better respected by European institutions than they have by this nation’s own Parliament. UKIP is trying to have it’s cake and eat it by asking us, for the sake of ‘patriotism’, to stand opposed to that same thing which allowed us to openly serve in our own nation’s military.

          3. Spanner1960 4 May 2013, 11:02am

            @Mr Stuie: “actively tries to exclude them from society?”
            They are against same-sex marriage, that is all. Stop tarring them with the same brush just because of one caveat.
            Whilst I disagree with them on this, they are still fully supportive of CP’s.
            The bottom line is, they are the only party willing to do anything about immigration and the EU, which I consider far more important, so as a gay man, THAT is the reason I will vote for them.

  10. Liam the God 29 Apr 2013, 12:57pm

    So they give people a platform BEFORE checking their credibility?? Call me naive but isn’t that rather arse about face?

    1. Arse IN face

    2. Spanner1960 29 Apr 2013, 2:46pm

      I have to say, I totally agree here.
      How can a party claim these people were allowed to become candidates before checking them out?
      That is a seriously crap excuse.

      1. Farage claims they do not have “the resources or infrastructure”. When you consider the millions of pounds it costs to put so many candidates up for the various elections, Local, General and European, that is clearly bollocks.
        They have been established for many years, and have many millions of pounds in donations, so either they are lying, and this guy was “vetted”, or they are incompetent. Or both.

  11. de Villiers 29 Apr 2013, 1:31pm

    Yes, Mark Y, yes!

    List the undesirables to exclude from our happy gay community. First gay Catholics! Then all gay Christians! Then gay Jews! Then gay Muslims! Then gay Conservatives! Then everyone gay who is black/brown/not white!

    No doubt the list can grow and grow!

    1. Calm down dear. You’re having a moment. Which nerve did I touch tory perhaps?

      1. de Villiers 29 Apr 2013, 3:55pm

        Yes James! You must be right. I must be having a moment. You have touched the tory nerve.

        I should wait a minute and calm down and be clear. And then I might start suggesting that a gay Tory is the same as a gay Nazi! What benefits your clear thought has James!

        And what a bitter life you must lead to see hatred round every corner. Truly, you see what you are.

        1. I see it in you

          1. de Villiers 1 May 2013, 8:15am

            You see it in everything, James! Even where it does not exist.

            I feel for you.

    2. I take it you’ve still not realised that your catholic religion hates you and already has you down on their list of exclusions – been for mass recently? The last I heard gay men were excluded from the happy catholic community.

      1. de Villiers 29 Apr 2013, 3:52pm

        Is that what you heard Marky baby?

        It sounds like that hate is coming all from your direction – given that you said that gay Catholics belong in the same list as gay Nazis.

        So every single gay Frenchman, gay Spanish and gay Italian are all Nazis! How well travelled you and James! are.

        Marky, you have excelled yourself! Only English white people need join your special LGBT club.

      2. de Villiers 29 Apr 2013, 3:58pm

        I use the term ‘baby’ purely in the affectionate sense, Marky. I find you rather sweet, in a type of way.

  12. dorset bob 29 Apr 2013, 1:41pm

    Rather undermines their attempt to be taken seriously given their excuse that they havent vetted their candidates. Would have thought that would be the first thing you’d do ?

  13. UKIP is a one-trick pony (hatred of and a desire to withdraw from the EU) whose natural appeal is to the disgruntled Tory Right. As such it is also a natural home to all the bigotry characteristic of such people. In these circumstances a party leadership anxious to achieve broad respectability, regardless of its actual views, will spend a lot of time fire-fighting. And an in-party lgbt group will generally find the house completely on fire.

    1. Spanner1960 29 Apr 2013, 3:21pm

      This may be the case, but successive governments have brought this upon themselves by offering hollow offers of a referendum, and then backing out.
      People are genuinely sick and tired of the EU entanglements and cannot see a way out, until now, when UKIP offers a slim possibility.
      Had Cameron stuck by his manifesto promise (or Blair, or Brown) – it would have never have come to this.

      1. Had we been told the truth about the EU, instead of Westminster taking credit for projects like the regeneration of Birmingham City Centre (£500,000,000 from the EU) while blaming Europe when things go awry, people would be able to make informed judgements, rather than relying on “facts” from the Sun and Daily Fail.

    2. Spanner1960 4 May 2013, 11:03am

      Oh, and voting for parties that support gay rights even if they wreck the country isn’t blinkered single-mindedness either?

  14. “The LGBTQ in UKIP committee is extremely angry and disappointed by the comments made by a small number of UKIP local candidates, particularly David Nixon and John Sullivan.”

    Yes, much better if they had kept their views to themselves until after they were elected. Does any UKIP voter know what they are voting for?

    1. Spanner1960 29 Apr 2013, 3:06pm

      Better UKIP realises what a bunch of bigoted shitehawks they are employing.
      It is still baffling that it gets to this point before the realise it though.
      These loose cannons cause untold damage.
      The anti-gay comments are just the tip of the iceberg, some of their people are coming out with ridiculous ideas.
      UKIP suspended Anna-Maria Crampton, a candidate in East Sussex, over alleged comments blaming Jewish people for the Holocaust, and Sue Bowen in Cornwall after it emerged she was a former member of the BNP.

  15. Just tried the BBC News search engine –

    entered UKIP and homophobia, which resulted in “Sorry, there are no results for ukip homophobia”

    Then tried UKIP and homophobic and got a RESULT “UKIP candidate sparks gay anger” – only thing is that the result dates back exactly NINE YEARS to 29th April 2004. This is the link:-

    1. Liam the God 29 Apr 2013, 2:45pm

      The BBC have lost all credibility as a source of accurate and unbiased news since their deafening silence on the privatisation of the NHS, which I’m sure is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the fact that they have an Arch-Tory as head of the BBC Trust, despite the fact that Chris Patten is as untrustworthy a tory scumbag as exists this side of the Third Reich!

      1. Spanner1960 29 Apr 2013, 2:47pm

        Goodwin alert.

        1. Liam the God 29 Apr 2013, 3:37pm

          Fly a kite, Span.

        2. Godwin’s Law. Sorry to be a pedant, but since Liam was not referring to UKIP (in subject of the thread), technically Godwin’s Law does not apply!

  16. Garry Cassell 29 Apr 2013, 2:37pm

    IDIOT BIGOTS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

  17. Far-right parties seem to have no access to computers and their candidates lie about their unseemly past (and present). Here’s a local story from yesterday!

    “The B.C. Conservative Party [far right] has fired another candidate prior to next month’s provincial election, the fourth such firing since last week.” and [Party leader] “Cummins has also announced that a senior volunteer responsible for vetting candidates has been let go, after a series of embarrassing revelations about candidates.”

    BTW, the election is May 14th!

    1. Spanner1960 29 Apr 2013, 3:25pm

      A good point, but it doesn’t relate to this particular scenario.
      I think UKIP got a bit caught on the hop and needed to fill a lot of seats quickly for the forthcoming local elections, so they ended up grabbing whoever they could without doing the proper checks, and the entire thing is beginning to come back on them and bite them in the arse.

  18. By pandering to the old school Tories and pledging to be against equality matters UKIP have indeed increased their voter base. However you only need to see the opinions of some of these voters to realize they are also attracting those who would ordinarily associate themselves with the BNP and EDL. UKIP are fast being seen by these cretins as a credible way of getting their homophobic and racist opinions into mainstream politics.

    I don’t care how disenfranchised a person is with the mainstream parties and the coalition, a vote for UKIP is not a protest vote or a vote for British values, it is insanity.

    Seriously look up UKIP on twitter and see the bile that spills onto that social medium from some of their supporters.

    1. Spanner1960 29 Apr 2013, 3:17pm

      One is always going to get nutters trying to cash in and jump on the bandwagon.
      It’s pretty obvious no sensible person is going to touch the EDL or BNP with a bargepole, and many of their followers know they are never going to have much of an effect, so the UKIP ranks are swelling from both sides, the disenfranchised that are totally pissed off with LibLabCon, and the right wing nut-jobs that think they can hang on for the ride.

      1. Just remember it was the disenfranchised that voted Hitler in. In the case of UKIP though the issue is not Farage, but the ilk he is attracting that will wheedle their way into the ranks if they get any real power.

        To believe that UKIP will be able to run the country, resolve the economy,doing anything beyond pandering to fundamentalists amongst religious ranks and please the daily mail readership is ludicrous.

    2. UKIP was set up with the help of the BNP. Long before he became leader, Farage was despatched to apologise for, and publicly renounce, UKIP links with the BNP. A fact never referred to by the press, oddly.
      Years ago, Private Eye uncovered “ex-” BNP members high in the UKIP hierarchy. Last week the Mirror belatedly revealed the same situation still exists.
      How many UKIP candidates have stood in seats fought for by the BNP?

  19. Jason Sender 29 Apr 2013, 3:26pm

    Rather than mock these people, applaud them they are standing up to the bigots in the UK’s new third party. They need support because whether you like it or not UKIP are surging in th polls and will make mass gains, not all members of UKIP are bigots but yes I accept some are but show me a party that does not have bigots in its ranks!

    1. Staircase2 29 Apr 2013, 4:05pm

      There is a big difference between ‘show me a party that does to have bigots in its ranks’ and a Party that actively encourages it…

      UKIP is the BNP at prayer…

  20. UKIP’s LGBTQ group is seriously misguided in believing that “hundreds of outstanding UKIP candidates” have been let down!

    HUNDREDS of OUTSTANDING candidates in UKIP?

    And then at the end, I note the unsure and feeble “It is our BELIEF that these candidates should have the UKIP whip drawn from them”!

    UKIP’s LGBTQ group seems so in fear of the simple-minded Daily Mail readers who run UKIP that they are afraid to DEMAND that heads roll over the matter.

    1. Spanner1960 29 Apr 2013, 3:59pm

      Well four or five out of 1,700 isn’t that bad. Even the Tories get more than that.

      1. Remember that “Spanner1960” said of us on Saturday 27 April 2013:

        “Most gay men I know are the most selfish, vain, egotistical bunch of gits on the planet, and the concept of a ‘gay community’ is a total myth . . . ”

        “Spanner1960” said exactly the same thing several times on threads in this PinkNews community a number of years ago. Every time “Spanner1960” speaks like this he totally insults us.

        Vote him down, make all his comments disappear, and ignore him.

        1. Spanner1960 29 Apr 2013, 4:13pm

          Keep trying Eddy.

  21. Staircase2 29 Apr 2013, 4:02pm

    …sounds about right…

    Oddest thing is how the UKIP LGBT Group could be surprised by any of this…

  22. George Broadhead 29 Apr 2013, 4:10pm

    Has UKIP an official policy on LGBT rights?

    1. I would be interested to read any policy, as thusfar it seems it is just a case of do what will grab the votes of those opposed to the coalition and Labour, which includes anyone against marriage equality. I don’t believe for one moment Farage actually gives too hoots beyond grabbing the votes.

      He seems like many ignorant to the fact that pre-election the Tory equality manifesto did state they would look to end the inequality between CP’s and marriage, and as such this would look at opening up civil marriage to same sex couples. A manifesto many seem to ignore even existed.

      1. Liam the God 29 Apr 2013, 4:31pm

        No mention in the Tory manifesto about selling off the NHS, but they’ve done it and UKIP are VERY quiet about that, DESPITE their claim to be FOR the UK and AGAINST the EU! Did you know the NHS MUST open up for competition from European and American companies? Where are UKIP on that? Too busy slagging off Bisexuals, obviously!

    2. Yeah you cant have any

      1. Spot on James Like many people who shout the odds in support of UKIP they would be in for an unpleasant surprise if UKIP ever got real power.

  23. I can’t understand why they would feel surprised or “disappointed”?

    Someone should tell them that they aren’t really in a libertarian organisation

  24. So, how does this John Sullivan explain this: I suspect that Jason Collins has gotten plenty of exercise over the years.

  25. UKIP or its other name Golden Dawn. The idiot that runs this party is a well known homophobe, no matter what that prat says, do not believe him. UKIP is a back door for the far right. And for those gays supporting the party need to wake up and fight them,no bed them. DUH

  26. Shaun Bennett 30 Apr 2013, 5:14pm

    As someone who has known Dave Nixon for many years, I can tell you that the picture this absurd article paints of him is entirely wrong and deeply unfair.

    I’ve seen those leaflets. NEVER has he said nor implied that gay people are ‘abnormal’ in the way that you suggest.

    But given that the public were persuaded were support civil partnerships a decade ago as a compromise,and given that the militant gay lobby are now pushing to break that compromise, you cannot blame people for wondering “where will it all end”.

    Perhaps it is you who need to think again and grow up over this. What makes you think that nobody is entitled to have genuine religious or moral objections to your gay marriage proposals?

    And why do good, hard-working, decent ordinary people have to be ruthlessly smeared in the process?

    I hope Dave wins this week because he is and will continue to be an excellent councillor. One who never discriminates against ANYONE who has a problem-whatever their background.

  27. People don’t realise how extreme UKIP are. Not just nutters, but dangerous nutters.

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