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US: Gay rights groups disappointed as immigration reform bill leaves out same-sex couples

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  1. bobbleobble 28 Apr 2013, 3:31pm

    Hardly a surprise. We’ve got Republicans and Catholics involved here so it’s hardly surprising that same sex couples are being targeted but it’s the typical acquiescence of Obama and the Democrats that I find most sad.

    In any event no immigration reform is getting through the House of Representatives because the Republicans still haven’t worked out why so many minority voters didn’t back them last November.

  2. Robert in S. Kensington 28 Apr 2013, 4:13pm

    You would think now that ten soon to be eleven states with equal marriage would warrant inclusion of same-sex couples in an immigration bill. Perhaps if the Supreme Court strikes down DOMA in June in states that have it, then maybe a future amendment affecting gay couples will emerge. The republicans haven’t learned anything from the past two elections that ended in defeat. They will face the same outcome in 2016 by failing to face reality.

    1. Actually, the Republicans did NOT lose the last 2 elections. In 2010, they won the House of Representatives and numerous state legislatures and governorships. As a result, they were able to gerrymander the House and retain it in 2012 despite getting fewer total votes than the Democrats. The next election in the US is in 2014. Whether there has been enough demographic or ideological change to affect the balance in Congress remains to be seen, but there is no reason the think the House will switch back to the Democrats.

      If you’re going to comment on the US electoral or legislative process, learn how it works first.

  3. dorset bob 28 Apr 2013, 4:17pm

    What I’m not sure about is how do they treat a same sex couple who are legally married in one of the thirteen civilised countries that allow it ? Is the marriage not recognised outside of the country where it took place ?

    1. Dave North 28 Apr 2013, 6:02pm

      In answer. It is not.

      Your civil partnership or equivalent is only recognized where it was performed.

      You are legally divorced at the departure lounge, each and every time.

      This argument I always apply to the goons that state that “we have legal marriage in civil partnerships”

      Hence the need for full international recognition.

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 28 Apr 2013, 8:13pm

        Exactly right, Dave. During the Equal Marriage Committee Hearings, this issue was brought up by James Walsh when he gave testimony with Ben Cohen at his side. Tory opponents of EM, Tim Loughton and David Burrowes were unaware of the lack of reciprocity in other countries regarding CPs and the inadequacy of other legal unions for gay couples within EU member states, yet it didn’t sway them from continuing their harangue against equal marriage. They think CPs are the be all and end all for UK gays, but once you step outside our borders, that comes to an end. There are now 14 countries with equal marriage, there aren’t more than two with CPs, i.e. the UK and Ireland) and none of them on the opposing side would ever dare to question why as do many in the current government. What is very sad is that there are gay CP’d couples who think the same way.

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 28 Apr 2013, 8:15pm

      If a British gay couple marry in Canada for example, once they return to the UK, their marriages are dismissed even though they hold a certificate of marriage. Their legal marriages are then downgraded to a CP which in essence, they are not under the law of the land. It’s absolutely disgusting.

      1. dorset bob 28 Apr 2013, 9:40pm

        Thanks Dave and Robert. Thats answered my question. Depressingly I had thought that might well be the case. Perhaps the way forward could be if enough European countries had SSM, which will happen, they could be recognised europe wide. Maybe if it became EU policy other countrys would opt in .Still a long way short of hetero marriage recognition though.

  4. Common sense 29 Apr 2013, 1:15am

    The situation is actually far worse than as stated. It is impossible to have a partner sponsored green card so some couples are tempted to travel on study visas or company sponsored work visas. Even when these are entirely legitimate, because of DOMA that has not yet been repealed, federal US immigration regards the preexistence of a gay or lesbian relationship with a US citizen as an invalidation of the original visa (as they judge the entry to the country to be for “illegal purposes” and not work or study). I know of at least three couples where the foreign partner was arrested by immigration and forcibly ejected from the USA on the next plane because they greeted their partner with a kiss or held their hand.

  5. I am tempted to think ‘slowly slowly catchy monkey’. There is no point trying to put through a bill that is doomed to fail. It may be easier to add GLBT people to it later. I believe Obama is committed to equality.
    What is disappointing is the report that Hispanics would oppose it. They have immigration struggles of their own. One would hope they would be more compassionate.

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