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Northern Ireland: Catholic bishops lobby assembly members ahead of equal marriage debate

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  1. Well at least it means they are not raping children if they are busy being bigots

    1. Oh, dear Steve, in the case of deceitful and cunning members of the religious cults, we cannot come to that conclusion. They can rape children AND be bigots at one and the same time. And, sadly, they’ve proven it time and time again.

  2. Keith Francis Farrell 26 Apr 2013, 11:24am

    I still find it strange that a church which has caused so much hurt, child molestation and slavery in Ireland. would have the audacity to oppose equality for everyone. I do think it is time that the church withdrew from politics. In this day and age, the Catholic Church needs to try and remove itself from being classified as a hate group.
    The days when being gay were thought of as being sick are long gone. The church preaching celibacy, also does not work. If it did then there would be no cases of child molestation by their priests.
    It is time that the church stood up for real equality and Christian values. The values that we are all loved and equal in gods eyes. A time when real Christians work towards including everyone in society. I had the displeasure of reading about a group of Christians that run a camp to convert gay boys into real men, well they are so successful that three boys have died at their hand. I read with horror, about anti gay laws being backed by the church

    1. Christopher Coleman 26 Apr 2013, 4:02pm

      The problem is that the case for equal marriage is framed so much in terms of equal rights. That is important, of course, but it is perhaps more important to stress that the redefinition of marriage does not in any way infringe upon the rights of men and women under the current definition. No one is urging a curtailment of heterosexual marriage and the raising of children by a mother and father, where such nuclear families exist. There is also a clear case to be made for the many successful children of single parents and we should remind society of the failures of heterosexual parents, many of whose offspring are in our prisons.

      BTW, an end to clerical celibacy is unlikely significantly to reduce child molestation. Some individuals, married or single, are attracted to children. Also, I believe that statistics for child molestation indicate that the molester is frequently a family member and sometimes a parent.

  3. That There Other David 26 Apr 2013, 11:53am

    Even if we give credence to the idea that children need both a mother and a father (which personally I would dispute) that entire aspect is irrelevant in a debate concerning marriage equality.

    1. well, studies have now been conducted, all around the globe , for the past decade at least, consistently and it appears -OH surprise – that children end up as happy, as loved in same sex-couples as in dual-sex couples. But WE knew that , WE didn’t need any proof. LGBT individuals are more compassionate, respectful and well balanced , generally speaking. We are less confrontational, we do not have the alpha-male attitude that drives so many heterosexual men to behave like bullies or animals, we do not start wars. Criminality within the lgbt communities is ridiculously insignificant if you compare it with that of the general population. Overall, i’d say, if anything, children have a better chance to get good role models and a peaceful childhood in same-sex families! but that statement of course, will infuriate the Politically Correct Gestapo, won’t it?

  4. And some gay man still think of themselves as catholic? Very confused individuals.

  5. I’m not holding my breath over the result!

    Just thank god I don’t live in that backward -thinking place!

    1. Jane McQueen 26 Apr 2013, 12:57pm

      There is a little quirk of British Law, that if Northern Ireland were to reject equal marriage, Westminster can use the powers it has to extend the legislation for Equal Marriage from England & Wales to Northern Ireland too, with just one vote in Parliament. It was one of the clauses put in the devolution legislation that is seldom used, but has been hinted at being used in this instance. Which is why this debate has happened in the first place, as they would rather do it themselves than have London impose it on them.

      1. Thank you for that little jewel, Jane! Very nice to be made aware of it.

        I can hear Paisley Junior already, railing against “Westminster!”

  6. back off hateful priests its going to happen either you like or not !

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 26 Apr 2013, 12:16pm

      Some of those hateful priests, in fact many of them are self-loathing closet cases such as the most infamous of all, Northern Ireland’s own Armagh born son, the former Cardinal O’Brien of Scotland. The hierarchy should be banned and prosecuted for meddling in the political system which could be construed as subversion. If Henry VIII were around, we all know what their fate would be wouldn’t we. Hateful disgustingly vile people. Christians they are NOT!

  7. I hope gay and lesbian activists in Northern Ireland will be challenging the Catholic bishops by asking

    1. Whether ex-archbishop of Glasgow Keith O’Brien who has been disgraced for having had homosexual relationships while a priest, bishop, and cardinal supports their position?

    2. Whether ex-bishop of Cloyne (Ireland) John Magee who has been disgraced for having had at least one (documented) homosexual relationship while a bishop, supports their position?

    Activists of Northern Ireland, do not be fearful of firing every salvo you can at the Catholic bishop-hypocrites!

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 26 Apr 2013, 1:30pm

      Hear, hear!! Now the SPUC (Society to Protect the Unborn Child) are having a gay back on the mainland saying equal marriage will cause grave damage to children and families. It has distributed leaflets to thousands of households to that effect.

      I do wish we had an official watchdog in the UK similar to the one in America, the Southern Poverty Law Center which keeps a list of hate groups it so designates. Clearly SPUC, the Roman Cult and others, C4M, CI, Christian Concern, Christian Legal Centre and Anglican Mainstream, all fall under the category or should.

      1. SPUC! What a most unfortunate-sounding acronym!

        I SPIT on SPUC. :-)

      2. Christopher Coleman 26 Apr 2013, 4:14pm

        Yes, protect the unborn child, but sod the living kids. Let them live in poverty, be it in the UK, the USA, or the developing world (especially the latter). Missionaries of the Catholic and other churches really do their share of good work in many countries under difficult conditions, but their efforts are overwhelmed in the public perception by the awfulness of the statements made by the church leaders, almost all of whom live in comparative luxury. I, for one, would not object to living in the Vatican and having at my disposal (among other things) one of the world’s greatest museums. And the side benefit of being able to express any opinion and have ti taken seriously by millions. Nice job, if you can get it.

  8. Father Bartlett, from the Catholic Council for Social Affairs, told the BBC: “Any debate about this matter from a Christian point of view has to be framed in terms of respect, love, kindness towards each other…”

    And being the responsible, unbiased reporters we all know the BBC to be, they followed up with: “You mean like the comments from the former pope and the bishops from Scotland, Paris, Westminster…?”

    No, that wasn’t their follow-up?

    1. The BBC has clearly sided against the Gay Community.

      I think this has been obvious for a while now. It is important for the community, to continue to demand the right to refuse the License fee. Take it to court, if necessary.

  9. Since almost all the nationalist MLAs will be voting for equal marriage, and a heavy majority of the unionist MLAs will be voting against, this inane intervention by the Catholic Bishops is actually very helpful.

    Last time around, the DUP forced the use of the “cross-community procedure”, which requires a majority among both unionists and nationalists for a vote to pass.

    When the DUP disingenuously imposes this procedure again, I hope pro-equality MLAs will point out that since the DUP and the Catholic hierarchy are on the same side, the use of the procedure in this case is utterly inappropriate and contrary to the spirit of the law.

    One can only hope that the sight of Presbyterians and Catholics standing together against progress signals a new period in Northern Ireland politics where religious and community identity are only two among many considerations. If so, this reactionary alliance may end up paying unexpectedly progressive dividends.

  10. Yet more busy-bodying by people who should find some useful employment instead of persistently trying to alienate one section of society from another. ‘Loving christians’? Pah! Mind you, religion has always been about division .. “My god is better than YOUR god”.

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