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  1. Helge Vladimir Tiller 24 Apr 2013, 6:38pm

    Ich bin völlig einverstanden ! Merkel- hier hast du keine Chance. Unsere Schwester und Brüder in Berlin sind stark ! Sie wissen bestimmt was Freiheit bedeutet ! Grüsse von Norwegen !

    1. Es sieht nicht gutt aus.Falls es so weiter geht dann wird Deutchland das Gespött von den ganzen Westen werden.

      1. Dann sollte der “ganze Westen” sich erst mal ueber die Rechte von Schwulen und Lesben in Italien, Griechenland, Serbien, Polen oder Bulgarien informieren :)

        1. Ich glaube die Situation ist sehr schlecht wenn Deutchland mit diese Länder vergleichbar ist

  2. After what Germany did to us during the holocaust, I’d expect any leader in that country to be more forthcoming with legislation for our equality rather than pandering to the views of neo-nazi christians.

    1. As a gay German man living in the UK and in support of equal marriage, I think I’m more sickened by constant nazi comparisons than by democratic opposition to equal marriage.
      I oppose religion and support equal marriage. But if you propagate that every conservative or Catholic is a neo-nazi, you do not understand what that word means.
      If you expect Catholics to get over their world view, it would be consistent if you moved on from the war. It’s been 68 years.

      1. CanadianChris 25 Apr 2013, 1:02am

        And as the grandson of a living holocaust survivor, no thanks. I think I’ll continue to remember it and bring it up at every chance. Just like my grandfather has to remember the deaths of 25% of his family everyday. For him, and for us, it wasn’t just merely “68 years ago”. Angela should be ashamed.

        1. Funny how people define “moving on” in their own way. Moving on does not mean forgetting. It means learning from what has happened, never forgetting. But it also means being very careful with generalisations and comparisons.
          I’m not generalising but you wouldn’t believe how many Brits come up with a stupid Nazi or war comment whenever they hear the word “Germany”. Aren’t beach towels and the Hoff enough stereotypes for those who don’t have (and don’t care about acquiring) any first hand information? ;)
          And no: No German who wasn’t even born before 1945 needs to be ashamed of the war. That’s a generalisation I’m happy to make.

      2. CanadianChris 25 Apr 2013, 1:06am

        Ps: There’s nothing democratic about opposing civil rights. It makes a mockery and travesty of democracy.

      3. I disagree with you that we should all move on from the war. Two of my grandmothers and one of my grandfathers were murdered. My father was beaten over the head with a hammer in a Concentration Camp.

        I do agree with you that comparisons between conservative Christians and Nazis are sickening. I don’t think that the world will be a better place if everyone gave up their memory of the Holocaust or their faiths.

      4. de Villiers 25 Apr 2013, 8:16am

        The “moving on” of which Eric writes is not to forget the war and the Nazis rather than not using it as the default frame of reference for all actions of Europe, France and Germany.

        I also had grandfathers who were imprisoned in the German camps and grandmothers who were terrorised by the French Resistance. THe way to remember that is not to call German CDU of French UMP politicians as Nazis – which undermines the horrific nature of the Nazis and the atrocities that they committed.

        The constant reference to Nazis and calling the French or Germans Nazis is an American and English unhealthy obsession.

    2. de Villiers 25 Apr 2013, 12:04am

      This is the third post mentioning Nazi’s that I have read in two days. It is more than sickening. Perhaps English people cannot understand what it really was.

      I demand myself whether the English will ever be able to stop talking about the second war world and the Nazism.

      1. No one should ever stop talking about the second world war or Nazis.

        People should have the common sense not to accuse all Germans of being responsible for WW2.

        Anyone who seriously believes all Germans are Nazis should be held in a padded cell for their own safety.

        1. You’re quite right as usual Joss – I have to say even a devout atheist lefty as I am gets more than a little tired of conservatives and/or Christians being automatically labelled neo-Nazis, it suggests a severely limited understanding of what Nazism was actually about.

      2. de Villiers 25 Apr 2013, 8:12am

        Really, Joss. You should be able to understand what I have said.

        I am not saying that people should forget the Nazi atrocities. What despairs me, however, is that English people seem ready always to talk about the war and Nazism when attacking something – it is always a frame of reference for looking at Europe.

        Here, I agree with you that to compare German conservatives to Nazis is disgusting. Just disgusting. The contributor ‘rapture’ on another board said he was sorry that the UK had liberated France and that France should have remained under the the Nazis.

        People really need to think before speaking.

        1. I agree, people should not label a whole counrty.
          That goes for the whole of Germany being Nazis, and also the whole of England doing it.
          Not everyone in England does, thank you so very much.

    3. Colin (London) 25 Apr 2013, 1:54am

      As a human who was born in Britain and currently resides in London I would ask all of us to remember the past lest we repeat it but to move on into a future where we come together in friendship, economic stability, joint projects to create a future for our young and strenghthen our post was relationships. Everyone in Europe lost out in the war. Move on now with respect and a warm heart. Look forward not back.

      Some British people live in the past but most welcome our German and French neighbours. I have been honoured to work in both countries and can say in difficult business situations we worked very well restructuring companies to ensure they have a future for the clients, employees and community. We all basically want the same things. Homes Education, health care, jobs and a future for the next generation. By holding hands and shareing and working together we will put the past where it belongs creating a better and stronger Eur
      Here’s to the future my European friends and colleagues

    4. de Villiers 25 Apr 2013, 8:20am

      You are a mad person – the person who wrote the comment about Germans now being responsible for the actions of the Germans 70 years ago. Really a mad person.

      It incites hate against all Germans.

    5. When Germany was liberated by UK/US/Russia all the gay men in concentration camps were put in federal German prisons. They weren’t released until the early 1960s. So we can’t exactly say we were massively better in terms of treatment of gays in those times.

  3. Robert in S. Kensington 24 Apr 2013, 7:32pm

    After yesterday’s vote in the French Parliament, the CDU will be foolish to ignore it. I’m in total agreement with the ban. This will cost Merkel and her party the election among younger voters.

  4. THIS is rightful GAY POWER.

    Well done!

    Very gutsy!

  5. What this article doesn’t state is that the CDU is a Christian party, but 60% of its voters support equal marriage according to polls. Conservative backbenchers and Church fanatics within it are strong though.
    Hence the CDU, in line with Merkel’s general political strategy of minimal action, awaits further decisions from the Constitutional Court to then introduce the changes and be able to say to the backbenchers that they had no choice.
    I support equal marriage and full LGBT adoption rights. Recent events in France show, however, that the more radical changes you introduce, the more radical responses you get. I’d rather see slow but consistent changes supported by large majorities in society than radical ones that go with increasing hate crime against LGBT people.

    1. bobbleobble 24 Apr 2013, 9:07pm

      And recent events in New Zealand show the opposite. France didn’t go any further than New Zealand in what was voted on in the French National Assembley yesterday. There was no violence when same sex couples were granted adoption rights here. I don’t want to see increased violence against people like us either but I also don’t want to sit cowering while violent thugs like those in France get to dictate what rights I can and cannot enjoy. If the Stonewall rioters had adopted your approach we may still be debating decriminalisation never mind marriage rights.

      1. And you believe that, taking into account history, geography and demography of the countries, Germans are more likely to behave like laid-back Kiwis than like the French?
        Your last comment is a hypothesis that doesn’t help this discussion in the slightest. We’re not sitting cowering. We have come a long way, and will continue on that path, but I am in favour of moderate but constant changes supported by a majority of society.
        The Constitutional Court is expected to make decisions about remaining areas of discrimination (tax and adoption) this summer. The CDU will then have no choice, but a good excuse to shut their backbenchers up. A few months won’t hurt us.

        1. bobbleobble 24 Apr 2013, 10:02pm

          Moderate but constant changes or in other words let the vocal minority of homopho dictate the pace of gay issues. Sometimes doing what is right is more important than doing what is popular.

          Out of 14 countries that have introduced SSM not one has reacted in the way a minority of the French have and yet you imply it is a typical response. And in any event polls show that a majority of the French people support the changes made so unless you advocate waiting for 100% support I’m not sure what more you’re expecting.

          Oh and hoping that the Constitutional Court sorts things out is hardly the same thing as moderate but constant changes.

          1. Robert in S. Kensington 24 Apr 2013, 10:33pm

            Totally agree and let’s not forget, President Hollande included equal marriage in his campaign and the French people voted him in while booting anti equal marriage Sarkozy out.

      2. de Villiers 25 Apr 2013, 12:09am

        Eric – I am in accord with you.

        The English people refuse to acknowledge that the gay marriage was achieved in England also with steps. First the decisions to reduce the age of consent, then to have an equal age, then to remove discrimination in the work-place, then the right of gay people to work in the military, then the removal of section 28, then the gay civil partnerships, then the equal marriage.

        A number of these steps were made by the courts – as in this way is happening with Germany.

        1. Why don’t you shut up with your generalisations of English people de Villiers. Since you’ve spent the last few days objecting to similar treatment of your own nation, people may see you as a hypocritical idiot.

        2. de Villiers 25 Apr 2013, 8:21am

          Generalisations Joss. Open your eyes and don’t be so stupid.

          Look how many contributors here have called Germans Nazis. Look how many people have said that France should not have been liberated.

          Perhaps you, Joss, should open your mouth to these comments rather than trying to pretend that they don’t exist.

          So you shut your mouth. STFU. Have I got your level?

          1. I did “open my mouth to these comments” above, after which you replied with more assinine observations about English people.

        3. Colin (London) 25 Apr 2013, 1:22pm

          What do we have in common:
          We are gay
          We seek a world that is accepting, inclusive and protecting of human rights.
          We seek to contribute to that world
          We wish a future for all better than our gay past
          We seek to add to the world economically
          We seek to uphold all human rights
          We seek to be a light when there is darkness for others.

          So put our past behind us
          Be true to yourself in stating what is your investment in the future
          Respect an honour the past
          But create a future you would want for your children and their children.
          Yes or no?

  6. Finally….gay Germans are starting to stand up to this women.

    Why did it take so long?

  7. Has to be a touchy topic. After all, once France puts their marriage law into effect, there will be a solid stretch of Western Europe where marriage equality is legal starting at Portugal and running all the way up to the Netherlands – then dead-ending at Germany, which separates the rest of them from Denmark. German gays have to be tired of the CDU being intractable on this issue. Why allow a float for a party that will not even consider equality, no matter how fabulous Angie is?

  8. And what if gays had been banned from an event? This is discrimination.

    1. They aren’t banning t hem because t hey’re gay though, but because they want to be there to represent a party that does not support gay rights.

      Is Angela Merkel a gay icon?

    2. Is this a riddle? Is gay pride still gay pride without “gays”?

  9. With Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands, France and this year Luxembourg all neighbors with marriage equality, and more than 70% support in Germany, I wonder when it will enact equality?

    Can’t be very long.

  10. Colin (london) 25 Apr 2013, 1:26pm

    What do we have in common:
    We are gay
    We seek a world that is accepting, inclusive and protecting of human rights.
    We seek to contribute to that world
    We wish a future for all better than our gay past
    We seek to add to the world economically
    We seek to uphold all human rights
    We seek to be a light when there is darkness for others.

    So put our past behind us
    Be true to yourself in stating what is your investment in the future
    Respect an honour the past
    But create a future you would want for your children and their children.
    Yes or no?

  11. Why do they usually have a float ?
    Surely if they are opposed to lgbt rights as “christian democrats” , they wouldn’t want one. Or am I missing something ?

  12. johnny33308 26 Apr 2013, 7:35pm

    These days for LGBT people, anything with the word ‘christian’ in it represents pure unadulterated evil, bigotry and hatred. Stay the f*ck away from these evil people and their puerile organizations….and for goodness sake do not spend gay money on anything promoted AGAINST us! Eliminating religion from the consciousness of humanity would be the best thing to happen in this world. Too many have perished at the hands of these evil creatures. They are VERY fortunate that most LGBT people are non-violent! Screw Merkel, that bitch and her stupid party!

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