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French Parliament passes same-sex marriage and adoption in final vote

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  1. Robert in S. Kensington 23 Apr 2013, 4:18pm

    Well done! I listened to the entire debate. There was a disgraceful disruption in the gallery from opponents just seconds before the vote.

    Take note Tories in both Houses.

  2. Dave North 23 Apr 2013, 4:19pm

    Looks like the Anti-Gay protesters helped us royally on this.

    The viciousness of there rhetoric and the beatings of gay people meant that no way could the assembly back down.

    Wonder how they will react ?

    1. Also, a spate of recent attacks probably influenced a decrease in the number of protesters, as many of the more moderate ones got a clue as to who the people making angry public calls really are.

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 23 Apr 2013, 4:30pm

      That’s why our own bunch of haters of C4M have been silent for day and not much coming from their shills, the Tory back benchers who voted no. The Lords had better pay particular attention. 3 countries in one month, Uruguay, New Zealand and France. Amazing! Now watch how the Mail and Telegraph play it down.

      1. The Mail and the Telegraph will no doubt be full of comments saying how “undemocratic” this result is. According to their readers most French people don’t want same-sex marriage and they claim the same thing about the UK. They only see what they want to see.

        1. Dave North 23 Apr 2013, 5:08pm

          I posted the following from Wikipedia on the Daily Wail story on this.

          Water cannon on standby outside French parliament as politicians defy public opinion by legalising gay marriage

          http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313498/Water-cannon-standby-outside-Frances-National-Assembly-prepares-defy-public-opinion-legalising-gay-marriage.html

          A January 2011 TNS-Sofres poll found that 58% of respondents supported same-sex marriage, with 35% opposed. Support was 74% among those under 35 years. 49% supported adoption rights for same-sex couples.

          A June 2011 Ifop poll found that 63% of respondents were in favour of same-sex marriage, while 58% supported adoption rights for same-sex couples.

          An August 2012 Ifop poll found that 65% of respondents were in favour of same-sex marriage, while 53% supported adoption rights for same-sex couples.

          But of course they never published it as it opposes their false claim of DEFYING the public.

          1. Dave, I’ve often thought I ought to be busily posting at The Daily Mail instead of chatting with like-minded folk here, but this news from you that they don’t automatically allow all posts to appear in their threads is not encouraging. In fact it’s infuriating. How dare they. What is The Daily Mail then but a closed club of bigots!

          2. Ah I found that story earlier. I’m surprised that my comment got through on this article, I’ve tried before on articles about same-sex marriage and LGBT rights, they usually don’t get published. My comment has also been green arrowed, that won’t last though.

            As for those statistics just as I thought, they don’t care about facts because their prejudice overrides logic and rationality.

          3. You should NOT be posting on the Daily Mail website.

            Each time you click on a Mail link it gives them a website hit – thereby increasing their advertising revenue.

            The more page impressions it gets the higher the advertising rates it can charge.

          4. I’m surprised your comment even got on at all with their ‘comments that have not been moderated’. I think I’m completely banned or blacklisted from posting common sense on the Daily Fail now. I gave up after so many of my comments never appearing. I’m actually quite proud. They don’t like equality and having their ignorance torn apart in their comments. How that paper isn’t sued every day and how it wasn’t banned permanently years ago is beyond me. That is one filthy, disgusting, bigoted rag.

          5. I’m surprised your comment even got on at all with their ‘comments that have not been moderated’. I think I’m completely banned or blacklisted from posting common sense on the Daily Fail now. I gave up after so many of my comments never appearing. I’m actually quite proud. They don’t like equality and having their ignorance torn apart in their comments. How that paper isn’t sued every day and how it wasn’t banned permanently years ago is beyond me. That is one filthy, disgusting, bigoted rag.

      2. The negatives comments and votes regarding most LGBT items in the mail usually start later in the day (our time) when the evangelicals in the USA have been mobilised..

        1. SteveC.

          Well perhaps you’re right.

          Too late now unfortunately.

        2. Mobilised? Chewed through their straps more like :D

  3. Eat that all your vile homophobes ! Well done to the president for sticking to his word and not giving in to the small mob

    1. It wasn’t really the president who stuck to his word (he indeed made ocassional back-tracking murmurs when the anti protests got too hot) but the Justice Minister Christiane Taubira who wrote this legislation and did her all to get it through. In fact, the law has come to be named after her, the Taubira Law.

  4. Xavier Bongibault 23 Apr 2013, 4:28pm

    Same-sex marriage, as new social utopia, again. Was all the 20 century not enough, no ?

    1. bobbleobble 23 Apr 2013, 4:39pm

      Quoi?

    2. Try again in French so we can see what it is you’re trying to say. Then again maybe it’s nonsense in any language

    3. Well wasn’t the 17th century enough? Do we need to make any progress at all?

      1. For those who don’t know, Xavier Bongibault is the token gay in the gay bashing, bigot, motley crue behind Frigide Barjot, the self-proclaimed leader of this medieval bunch. Thus, Bongibault reflects our long-standing tradition of collaborationists. He and Barjot really make the “dumb (false) blond” stereotype come true. But now they are toast.

        1. Never heard of him but he must be very much a collaborator if he is genuinely gay. Unless he is one of those opposers who claim to be gay, but aren’t really. They often infest various forums with anti equality messages.

  5. Well at last! Another nation with some sense!

    Now will all the protestors just go back to bed?

    Wait for the Westboro clan to open their mouths, and the usual claims of doom, major disasters, increase in the cost of wheat, random breakdowns of cars, power cuts….

    1. bobbleobble 23 Apr 2013, 4:39pm

      The protests will continue and what worries me is that they’ll move their protests from large public occasions to picketing the weddings of gay couples out of spite and an idiotic sense of revenge.

      A great day though, vive la France! Actually my aunt and uncle live over there and I wouldn’t mind getting hitched on the riviera!

  6. Jock S. Trap 23 Apr 2013, 4:31pm

    Excellent news!! Congratulation France on doing the decent thing.

    Now Commons/Lords… C’mon you’re lagging behind.

  7. What does a herd of animals with faces like smacked arses look like? Take a look at the streets of Paris right now.

    1. El Gabal, that’s rather unfair on poor animals, don’t you think. I love animals, and I don’t “smack their arses”.

  8. Congrats to my brothers and sisters in France!
    Now we sit on pins and needles waiting for our Supreme Court to rule.

  9. Brilliant!! Merci les francais…

    Now let’s get the laws to cross the channel asap with Lords and MP’s passing an ‘amended’ Bill (to allow straight civil partnerships, and those religious venues that want to to do so,)
    Face down the bigots including the Oilybigot of Cant’.

  10. Berniebear 23 Apr 2013, 4:51pm

    Wahoo!

  11. Check out the BBC’s article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22261494#TWEET732365

    A joyous day for gays worldwide and the BBC chooses anti-gay protesters as the lead photo.

    The article itself is pathetically biased.

    Just for starters:

    “The violence and threats have been condemned by both sides.:

    Not a word that one side has called for the violence in the first place. And I don’t recall anyone from M4T, Frigid or that idiot cardinal condemning any specific acts of violence.

    Stop paying your TV tax to this pathetic propaganda machine.

    1. I disagree.

      Considering how vicious and well organised the opposition to equality in France is, and considering how only a slim majority of French people support equality, then it’s only right to report it how they did, It’s an accurate reflection about what has happened in France over the past month.

      1. No it is not. The violence and aggression has come entirely from one side. A good journalist would have presented this dispassionately, but objectively. Not present an asinine ‘pox on both your houses’ that completely rewrites the events of the past two weeks. See also, Gaza.

        1. But the BBC article states that the aggression is coming from the anti side.

          The anti-equality side has been massively more organised than the pro-equality side. They have engaged in far larger protests than the pro-equality side, And support for equality in France is only marginally greater than the anti-side. There is a massive police presence outside the Assembly because of the very real fear of violent protest.

          These are facts.

          Should the BBC ignore this?

          I really don’t get a sense of bias on the BBC’s reporting here.

          The BBC is far from perfect but the instinctive anti-BBC bias I sense from these posts smacks of an agenda to me,

    2. Wow, that’s some truly execrable rightwing journalism, even by BBC standards (which are really bad, by the way).

      1. Can you point out specifically where this is ‘rightwing journalism’ – bearing in mind how massively well organised the anti-equality side is in France.

  12. Liberté, égalité, fraternité! Vive la France!

  13. That’s done it. Hurricanes and tornados will devastate France now.

    1. It’s a very strange kind of victory. I’m pleased, but I’m wary. We shall see what unfolds. I hope for the best. I hope no further gay people in France will be subjected to the horrors that have occurred in the last two weeks.

    2. And plagues of locusts, power cuts, a mother of a tsunami will decimate the coast, those mountains will suddenly erupt, spewing lava everywhere, and there will be a super-earthquake.

      1. jamestoronto 23 Apr 2013, 9:22pm

        Don’t forget the massive increase in crime and the fact that all straight couples will no longer marry and all those already married will soon be divorcing. And every child born from this day forward will be gay and/or a criminal or both. And will snow all summer. All these things happen in Canada. And Spain and Portugal , etc.

  14. George Broadhead 23 Apr 2013, 5:20pm

    Coming hot on the heels of the same sex marriage leglislation in New Zealand this is great news and will hopefully have a positive influence on the impending legislation in the UK.

  15. JackAlison 23 Apr 2013, 5:48pm

    The sinister manouverings of the outgoiing archbishop of paris was also a ‘dog whistle’ to right wing thugs to amp up their attacks….Marriage equality ‘could lead to violence..’

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/16/frances-top-bishop-warns-violence-over-gay-marriag/
    truly a morally bankrupt organization…no wonder the churches throughout europe are mostly empty.

  16. I am not encouraged by the facts that this extraordinary development for us in France does not currently appear on the front page of The Guardian’s website, and only appears in a small manner about one third of the way down on the front page of The Independent’s website.

    This says a lot about their attitude to a matter that is of such interest to LGBTs here in the UK.

    1. I was wondering why speculating about the imagined demise of Apple took precedence for the Guardian

      1. That There Other David 23 Apr 2013, 9:07pm

        That’s an easy one. An article slagging off Apple is guaranteed to get lots of web hits from across the world, and the Guardian is desperately short of cash. Slagging off Apple = more money from Web adverts.

        1. You obviously haven’t taken into account all the lunatics who post on equal marriage topics. They’re probably equal on click bait as long as both have comments enabled

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 23 Apr 2013, 9:52pm

      Eddy, but it did appear in the World News section under subsection Europe. Quite a good article in fact. Word will get out around the UK I’ve no doubt about that. The opposition will be taking note and I’m sure it will be quite sobering for them, a key major player in the EU. One of the rare times the French have ever beaten us to anything. An embarrassment in some way for those interested in the rivalry between the two countries. It’s quite significant for the EM movement. France is one of the five permanent members of the UN and the only one with EM. What is so incredible is that it passed with a large majority in spite of fierce opposition. An amazing day for France and for the EU. House of Lords had better pay serious attention next month. Rejecting it will be foolhardy in the long run.

  17. This is amazing news and is extraordinarily important.

    France is by far the wealthiest, largest and most powerful country that has implemented equality.

    There is now zero excuse for Britain and Germany not to do the same.

    Will Britain even be in the first 20 countries where the gay population are equal citizens?

    1. We spend a lot of time dithering and bickering in this country, but I hope that we are among the first 20 to do so.

  18. Vive la France!
    And where is the UK at on their same-sex marriage proposal? Oh that’s right still lagging way behind. Hopefully our government will see that we’re starting to look rather backward in the wake of all these countries legalising gay marriage.

  19. DivusAntinous 23 Apr 2013, 6:18pm

    Long live the cause of freedom!!!

    What is going on with our’s though?

    1. As I have said in a previous post and was only half joking, maybe we will just pip Uganda at the finish line.

  20. What are they afraid at? In what way gay marriage is a thread to their life? Have they some doubt about their own sexuality that they need to have everyone being hetero? Make me sick all that hatred.

  21. Bill Cameron 23 Apr 2013, 7:13pm

    Congratulations France! :) Hopefully the UK (including Scotland) will be next ..

    1. The UK also includes NI, unfortunately for the lgbts who live there, they’re a long way away. We shouldn’t forget this when we talk about equality in the UK

      1. And if the Republic of Ireland hold an unnecessary referendum on equality then marriage equality will never come to NI.

        A referendum in the Republic is likely to win, however the North will then demand one.

        Considering the huge numbers of religious extremists in the North a referendum on equality there is doomed to failure.

        If the Republic holds a referendum on this issue then it must be condemned loudly – equality is not dependent on a popular vote – irrespective of what their constitution says.

        1. Fascinating insight there, Steve, re the likely result of an NI referendum. Thanks.

  22. Félicitations, les Français.

  23. Widdershins 23 Apr 2013, 8:31pm

    Bravo France! Welcome.

  24. Absolutely wonderful – and there we were on the verge of cancelling a holiday in the Luberon – which is a beautiful part of Provence by the way. Let’s hope that the fuss dies down – as it does around social issues generally – and that it ceases to matter. Who now really argues against civil partnerships – despite the protestations of many at the time, to say nothing of equalizing the age of consent and the decision to allow us to serve openly in the military. Continued progress can’t be guaranteed. Enjoy it but stay vigilant.

    1. The Luberon is nice and, as part of France, it will allow gay marriage… but it is a stronghold of the extreme-right, its MP is one of the 3 the National Front sent to the Assemblée nationale. I personally boycott the Vaucluse.

      1. I know – I take a deep breath. There are already too many places to boycott. I’d never leave the house.

  25. Zoe Ellen Brain 23 Apr 2013, 11:53pm

    It’s not marriage equality, alas.
    It’s same-sex marriage.
    They’re *almost* the same, but not quite.

    The wording is important. Instead of “two adults” it very specifically says “Art. 143. – Marriage is contracted by two persons of opposite sex or the same sex. ”

    Intersex people were prevented from marrying anyone before this law was passed. They are still prevented from marrying anyone, as they are in several jurisdictions.

    So please – don’t call it “Marriage Equality”. That just rubs salt into the wound.

    It is a wonderful day for GLB though. I’m happy for you, and this should have been done years ago.

    Just remember us.

    1. NottyAsh W11 24 Apr 2013, 1:21am

      Zoe – I absolutely agree. As a non-intersex or DSD person (as far as I am aware) I know that it should definitely have been described as ‘two adults’ but I have found the world to move slowly and so I think we are on a conveyor belt of the general population being made aware that there is more to the people they meet than the typical.

      30 years ago it was assumed that everyone was straight and aspiring middle class. 20 years ago the general population started to have gay friends (all my friends are gay!) and 10 years ago they realised that GLBT people wanted to live lives that were not ‘judged’ or ‘graded’ by the state and hence civil partnerships developing into gay marriage (eventually!).

      I personally see the current ‘gay marriage’ legislation as a further and very important step that hopefully will make it much easier for intersex people to be added at some point in, I hope, the very near future and then true marriage equality for all!

  26. Finally Another country is dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century when it comes to Human Rights. Congratulations France!!!

  27. In the imortal Words of one infamous Frenchmen Viva!! Viva La LGBT Libre !!!

    1. it’s vive!!!! viva is spanish and italian ;)

  28. Silence from Pink News(not to mention the BBC ! ) on the attempted murder of Samuel Lafont the young man spearheading the campaign to stop marriage being distorted and destroyed by the homo-fascist lobby in France .

    Stabbed in the back by vicious homosexual activists along with two of his companions, Lafont was unarmed – he had already received death treats . .Twisted messages are already appearing on homosexual social media sites rejoicing in this attack – this from people who hark on about so-called ‘homophobia’ .

    ‘The attacks on freedom of thought start with language. Those who do not resign themselves to accept “homophilia” (the theoretical appreciation of homosexual relations) are charged with “homophobia” (etymologically, the “fear of homosexuality”). ‘

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