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France: Tens of thousands rally ahead of marriage equality vote

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  1. Only 50,000?
    That’s a pretty poor showing considering the last time they took to the streets, when they claimed to have had 1.000.000.000.000 people turn up.

    1. Considering the total population in metropolitan France 2001 came in around 63 million,
      then the 50,000 miserable fascists and anti-gay Catholic and other religious bigots, who apparently cannot live a happy life unless they are controlling the lives of gay people, doesn’t really amount to a hill of beans.

      1. 2011 is what I meant to write, not 2001

      2. We also need to mention the fact that a miserable 2000 people showed up in Trafalgar Square to protest it, most of whom….were in fact French! In NZ, there were like a couple hundred people from rural areas whining about it and that was it. Even in the US the turnout at the “March for traditional marriage” outside the supreme court was low.

        If anything, these nutty french ultra-catholics are just showing us how progressive and forward thinking the Western Anglophone world is (excluding Northern Ireland and Australia), and that the French are a backward society who are simply afraid of change!

    2. The official number is 27.000…..

  2. lukefromcanada 21 Apr 2013, 9:48pm

    most are just bitter over sarkozy losing to hollande. If it wasn’t this it would be something else

  3. I’d hate to be gay and living in France.

    I’d hate to be a jew and living in France.

    Thank God I live in the UK

    1. Don’t thank “God”, thank goodness. (There is no “God”, and if you think there is, do consider that he or she is a swine who is doing sweet f-all for homosexual people in France at this time.)

  4. Liam the God 21 Apr 2013, 10:07pm

    There’s a pic on FB of “Frigide Bardot” shaking hands with a “Front National” member on this demo, so some nice people were there!
    All the best, Sid the Sarcastic

    1. nixiotemba 22 Apr 2013, 4:03pm

      our own socalled gayfriendly Geert Wilders is now siding with the front nationale fascists, I hope that will finish him off forgood

  5. Helge Vladimir Tiller 21 Apr 2013, 10:22pm

    50000 is “nothing”- Paris has 12 million inhabitants. If this Law makes it the whole way, I’ll scream from happiness and wake up all my neighbours, shouting ; we won , we won. If a similar Law is passed in The UK–I’ll behave in the same manner every night during two weeks !

    1. Spanner1960 22 Apr 2013, 8:42am

      Oh get real. We don’t get that many on a Pride parade. Face facts, this is BIG.
      I am not supporting them by any stretch, but stop sticking your head in the sand and pretending it’s not a problem.
      That said, it would look worse if Hollande did a U-Turn, so I doubt that will happen.

      1. Helge Vladimir Tiller 22 Apr 2013, 11:06am

        We have always had “problems” with our opponents. Still gay marriage is legal in 13 countries. Which country comes next ?

  6. Robert in S. Kensington 21 Apr 2013, 10:23pm

    All that false concern about children’s rights. What about all the unmarried hetero mothers in France raising a child on their own and getting state benefits? Why aren’t they protesting that and why aren’t they taking to the streets to protest high unemployment, another issue they claim is more important than equal marriage?

    Frigide Barjot can say the demos shouldn’t target gays, but that’s just what its doing and what this protest is all about. She’s trying to distance her people from violence against gays that has ensued and more I’m sure will follow even after the law is officially on the books.

    I don’t know if it’s me, but has anyone noticed how very quiet the C4M lot have been as well as all of the other hate mongering back benchers, the Mail and Telegraph? You’d think they’d be cherring Manif pour Tous on as well as the violence.

    1. “All that false concern about children’s rights. What about all the unmarried hetero mothers in France raising a child on their own and getting state benefits?”

      Did you mean to imply that unmarried single mothers are bad for children’s rights? Maybe they’re on benefits because of the high unemployment you just mentioned…

      1. Well, you’re right to ask, Joss, but what I took Robert to mean is that the protestors should take care of their own (heterosexual) issues, before using those same issues to protest gay people getting equal marriage rights. I mean, let’s face it, a child is fine being brought up with ONE loving parent, the child isn’t at any great disadvnatage when it doesn’t have two. But when the protestors shout that a child needs “a mother and a father” where is the logic in that, when there are so many unwed mothers?

        1. I asked Robert because I understand that he may not have meant it in that way.

          To be honest there are so many people who attack single parents or people on benefits, (it’s like a national sport now) so it’s hard to tell.

  7. DivusAntinous 22 Apr 2013, 12:37am

    Miserable French bastards.

    Really though, I always thought of the French as having relatively open minded attitude about the whole gay thing. I mean people went to the continent to escape the persecution in Britain. But I guess these people feel that they’re being attacked personally because it’s marriage. Twats.

    1. what a stupid comment!!! since when, 30.000 or 300.000 at their best, is representative of a country to 65 million inhabitants?
      We are open minded, a minority is not and have no shame to show it to the whole word!!!

    2. With respect, Divus, British homosexual people who fled to the continent to escape persecution or unhappiness here in the UK, did not usually choose France. They chose the Mediterranean countries, particularly the Italian cities, where, despite the dominant religions, there existed an accepting pragmatism with regard to sexuality and sensuality.

  8. Witness 50,000 people France no longer wants.

  9. Ironic that that Les Misérables is doing so well at the cinema, a story based on human rights and freedoms, yet here are many French people showing us that they’re going backwards. Their protests will make no difference, I’m sure the bill will pass and Hollande will never change his stance anyway.

    1. Les misérables is a flop in France…..

      1. What a shock! Next we’ll know that white minstrals in black-face are a flop with black people!

        1. Well said, Darren! You’ve a quick-witted brain! :-)

          1. Thanks Eddy. I like humor but I’m noy always successful. Glad this one worked :)

  10. France, out of all the countries which have debated the issue up to now!

    How wrong the whole world has been about France, the country of égalité, fraternité, liberté.

    The hyper-catholic Spain and Portugal passed the law without this buzz. Argentina and Uruguay (two catholic strongholds?) passed the law without hatred and discrimation being shouted out so loud. There is no point in mentionning all the other countries where the law passed without this outrageous manifestion against égalité, fraternité, liberté.

    Poor France! I still want to believe it is just a loud minority of religious bigots.

    1. Pet, I feel as disappointed as you.

      As I have said on another thread, this behaviour in France should remind us all that during the Nazi occupation of France a vast number of French people chose to collaborate with the occupiers.

      Those French who collaborated with the Nazis SAW the Jews in their midst being forced to shut up shops and businesses and later being forced onto trains bound for the extermination camps, but all of those French citizens who collaborated with the Nazis did NOTHING to object or stop it happening.

      Of course, thankfully, there were others who chose to support the French Resistance, just as there are many in France today who support our right to marriage.

    2. Uruguay is just as secular or even more secular than France!! However it seems that the homophobic demostrations are a manifestation of other problems not related to equality

  11. I would hate to live in paris, it’s so boring, conservative and the French are so dull and unstylish to look at , as well of course as being fascists . Where are the mass counter protests to this hate, the silence of the French is deafening and disturbing.

    1. Spanner1960 22 Apr 2013, 8:37am

      I agree. I think Paris is a craphole. I have never understood why people go on about it being such a “beautiful, romantic city”, to me everywhere looks grubby, tatty and could do with a decent lick of paint. On top of that, if the locals recognise you as a foreigner, (particularly British, and God forbid if you are German), they treat you with rudeness and total contempt.
      Having lived and worked there for six months, I would put Paris down as one of THE European cities to avoid at all costs.

      1. Well if all british in Paris are like you, i can understand the rudness!!
        Thanks for you and Paris, you have no more there!!!

      2. Yes I agree completely , paris is all hype only. Parisians are really seething with jealousy of us Brits.

    2. Thank to say we are all fascits!!!, If you not want to live in Paris, we don’t care, and see my your comments i prefer you stay where you are….
      The mass? 30.000 peoples for a country to 65 million???
      The question is more why pinknews have not article about the pro-marriage marche???? it was yesterday too, at bastille…..maybe like all good UK media, is for have your daily dose of french bashing???

      1. La famille de mon père viennent de Marseille et nous vivons au Canada. Les personnes d’origine française ici, n’ont pas ces problèmes et ne sont certainement pas désagréable pour les autres. Je peux voir pourquoi tant d’Européens sont venus vivre au Canada.

    3. Well, I still find Paris extraordinarily beautiful, despite the prostituish patina that has been applied to it over the last few decades with the explosion of tourism. The French are much much better at art than we are. They have cared for their capital city and it shows, while London’s skyline is a complete damned mess.

      On the other hand, there is an unfortunate arrogance and superficiality present amongst the Parisians. They know that their city is regarded as the most beautiful in the world, and the pursuit of beauty in the city sadly eclipses their pursuit of integrity.

      Britain is not without a degree of corruption, but I feel we possess more integrity. Having said that though, much of our character is due to our isolation as an island. If we were in France’s geographic position we would have a different character.

  12. The leader of the Christian Democratic Party protesting on the Sabbath? This is an outrage!!

    1. Christians don’t have Sabbath….It’s a Jewish thing and it’s Friday sundown till Saturday sundown.

      1. Christians too are enjoined to respect the Sabbath (meaning Sunday), Darren. How well do I remember the stern warnings from the pulpit when I was a child against the pollution of the all holy Sunday.

        1. Sabbath is an old testiment law observed by religious Jews. In many ways, Christians want to be different from Jews so they they worship on a different day. If Christians think it is Sabbath then there would be no Christians playing sports, driving crs, putting on the light switch, having BBQ ot touching money on Sunday. Get it? Sabbath is old testament law not a new testament adherance.

          1. Darren, it’s very simple. The Bible, which is the Road Code of all Christians, as you know, does not refer to what one can and cannot do on a “Sunday” – or a Friday, or a Saturday, a Monday, and so on. It speaks of the Sabbath, not “Sunday”. And so for Christians that “Sabbath” means Sunday. Savvez?

            Yes, Christians today do go shopping on “the Sabbath”, they do go to football matches on “the Sabbath”, and so forth. However, and quite possibly you may not be old enough to remember this, up until about only 50 years ago in this country, and most other predominantly Christian nations, the “Sabbath” WAS observed, quite strictly, as “the day of rest”.

            Christians went to church on Sunday morning, they had a roast dinner midday, and families spent the afternoon in the home, being with each other and “at rest”.

            Back then one could just about get away with putting the family in the family car of “a Sunday drive”, but that was about it. Shops, cinemas, pubs, & so forth were all SHUT.

          2. I second what Eddy has written here, Darren. You’re maybe too young to know?

      2. “Christians don’t have a Sabbath”. You’ve clearly NEVER read their damn Bible!

  13. This satirical youtube clip of a campaign against gay marriage sums it up neatly for me-
    “Paid for by the coalition of people whose lives are ruined whenever other people are treated equally”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jrngYNGNeE
    And of course you can throw in a dash of this…

  14. We’re not fascists = We’re fascists

    We’re not anti-gay religious bigots = We’re anti-gay religious bigots

    We’re not homophobes = We’re homophobes

    1. When ever someone says “Im not racist…BUT” the sentence always ends badly, it seems to be the same with ‘homophobic’, ‘fundamentalist’ or ‘bigoted’

  15. The same happened in Spain 8 years ago, so nothing to worry about.

    1. Spanner1960 22 Apr 2013, 8:38am

      Except these are French. Big difference there.

    2. No, in Spain it was only 100,000, and that was way back when this was seen as a radical left-wing ‘social engineering’ propsal that only Netherlands/Denmark would ever consider. Things have changed now and most western countries accept gay relationships as a natural reality

      1. Remember that Spain is a much smaller country than France. And what comes to accepting, we are not talking about nations, but about individual people. There was (and apparently still is) a considerable anti-gay lobby in both countries. The difference is that in Spain there is not much they can do.

  16. Jock S. Trap 22 Apr 2013, 8:29am

    The fact that the counter protest was present and the fact that only 50,000 bigots turn out to protest against means this is a no-brainer and I look forward to seeing France progress.

    Of course progress is what the bigoted religions fear most because they’d rather we all lived in the dark ages with religion in control.

    as for ” “a fundamental rule of society will disappear”” Seriously?

    They are more idiotic than I thought.

  17. Spanner1960 22 Apr 2013, 8:32am

    I have the feeling that this could turn very nasty.

    I always said France is a beautiful country, but unfortunately it’s inhabited by the French.

    1. We have protests like that, and even bigger, only 27.000 for the yesterday protes, and is never finish nasty…..

      And we force anybodies to visit France, if you hate french stay where you are, we will not be sad….

      1. Je devine que vous ne travaillez pas avec l’office de tourisme de France. Vous ne faites rien pour réfuter l’idée que les Français sont impolis. Je n’ai aucun intérêt à aller en France en tout cas, que je pourrais vous y rencontrer rend l’idée encore moins attrayant.

      2. Ces manifestations en France contre la dignité des personnes homosexuelles sont honteux.

        Il est clair qu’un nombre massif des Français ne souhaitent pas pour les homosexuels de s’asseoir à l’avant du bus. Ils croient que les homosexuels sont des créatures de troisième ordre.

        1. Très intelligemment dit, nous avons eu des manifestations similaires au Canada lorsque la loi a été débattu ici, mais maintenant tout le monde s’entend très bien. Vous verrez. Il en sera de même en France et en Angleterre.

  18. LostInFrance 22 Apr 2013, 10:09am

    When “leader” Frigide Barjot, the vile self proclaimed entertainer and comedienne, (also singer of her self produced single “I do it to myself with two fingers”)called for blood…but “I’m not homophobic”, she really did open up a pandora’s box. She is being given far too much tv airtime, and although one could argue she is in fact doing herself and her minions more harm than good, when she talks about what god wants, what is right for children and why marriage pour tous is evil… She has rattled the cages of the extreme right and worked up a frenzy. Words can not be taken back and the damage has been caused. Now France is being shown up around the world as the host to not just the extreme right, but right wing action groups who normally keep a low profile, attend their church services on sunday and live a thoroughly borjoise life. Now we know that Frigide’s alarmist views are being mimicked in the church’s pulpits each sunday too. It does feel like the Vichy persecution of the Jews a

    1. Yes, and they have reminded us of the massive French collaboration with the evils of the Nazis during the Nazi occupation of France during World War Two.

      They have reminded us that amongst a considerable number of French people, not all, there is an inclination towards fascism.

      They revealed it during the Occupation, and they are revealing it NOW.

      Shame.

      Never Forget.

      And to think that so many homosexual British, American, and Commonwealth airmen, soldiers, and sailors gave their lives to liberate France from the Nazi occupation!

  19. Seems like the old Vichy attitudes never really went away

  20. Robert in S. Kensington 22 Apr 2013, 1:34pm

    This only makes it only that much more important that we lobby the House of Lords as soon as possible and as many times as possible. Apathy leads to defeat. Many MPs who voted no to equal marriage because the god botherers actually bothered to take the time to make their opposition known because supporters weren’t anywhere near as proactive. MPs and Lords do listen although there are some whose minds are already made up, but don’t be dissuaded, contact them.

    http://www.writetothem.com/lords

  21. Latest news is that French mp behind equality bill has received letter breaching security. What is wrong with the French, allowing this terrorism?

    1. Rapture, can you post a link, please? I can’t find that story.

  22. Where is all this anger coming from in France? They think that every gay person is going to start having kids as soon as it’s legal? I suppose they also are angry enough to start attacking gay people because they might adopt and raise a child in a loving home instead of in some sterile orphanage. It’s all about discrimination, and that is all that it is.

  23. ‘Tens of thousands rally ahead of marriage equality vote’

    Correction :

    ‘Tens of thousands rally ahead of marriage distortion vote’

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