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France: Eleventh hour anti-equal marriage protests expected

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  1. The protesters are doing US a favour, when people see how backwards the anti-gay lobby is, they’ll soon see which the right side of history is!

    1. I hope so, James, I hope so. But I think that history has shown us that the rabble cannot, in fact, always be trusted to “see” what is right and what is wrong.

    2. LostInFrance 21 Apr 2013, 12:20pm

      You are correct that Frigide Barjot and the like are of course not doing any favours in their cause, when idiocy and twisted religious viewpoints spew forth. Problem is, She and her supporters have opened a Pandora’s box and excited the rightwing. Living in France today, I am shocked by the continued persecution and the airtime given to these fanatics.
      We should all wear the Pink Triangle as not to forget the same persecution delivered not so many years ago. Frigide Barjot has called for blood… t

      1. I heard from a friend visiting france for the last time, that Na-zi barjot is a hero to the French and supported throughout the media. Is it true that france is now that backward and the French accept this fascism .

      2. You call them the “right wing”, in the UK we call these people the far right, that is the problem they are given too much credence and respect.

      3. Helge Vladimir Tiller 21 Apr 2013, 4:45pm

        Like Your comment !

    3. Hey James, you are right. The best example is the creepy Bill O’Reilly. A couple weeks ago on his show the O’Reilly Factor he said he kind of supported same-sex marriage, and the main reason was because the demonstrations in France were, according to him, the outcome of “fundamentalist christians, and muslims”. It was during the same show when he thumped those against in the States one because they didn’t have any compelling argument, but “to thump the bible”.

      It is on Youtube.

  2. This report and the one in today’s Observer (see link below) both speak of the possibility of violent clashes between those for and those against. I hope the Paris police ensure that they do not happen!

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/20/gay-marriage-france-violence

  3. LostInFrance 21 Apr 2013, 12:07pm

    Wear a pink triangle to oppose the rightwing in France! They persecuted Jews and homosexuals in WWII and todays modern cities in France are now again under threat by the vicious rightwing. Oppose Bigotry and remember the persecution of gays then and now….This behaviour would not be tolerated against jews today. PLEASE WEAR THE PINK TRIANGLE

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 21 Apr 2013, 12:20pm

      And let’s not forget that the roman cult didn’t lift a finger but chose to co-operate with the Nazis. It is at the heart of all these demonstrations. They exploit gullible people to do their dirty work and get away with it scot- free. They’ve yet to condemn the violence, but won’t. They should all be arrested for complicity and prosecuted accordingly. Outgoing Cardinal Vingt-Trois is one of the primary instigators.

      1. Yes, indeed, nearly all of the Xian cults in France are actively underpinning, and responsible for, this revolt. They’re feeding it, nourishing it, I’m sure. But, of course, rational French gays don’t attend churches and therefore don’t witness what’s being said in pulpits and those self-hating French gays who DO attend churches aren’t going to report it. But a number of reports do suggest that it’s happening on a wide scale.

        1. Robert in S. Kensington 21 Apr 2013, 1:53pm

          Yes, we saw a very hateful postcard campaign across the uK when the equal marriage debate started right after the consultation. Of course, we had no violent street demonstrations, but the catholic cult aided and abetted the campaign with widespread publicity during sermons at every mass. It was orchestrated by C4M and collusion of the roman and anglican cults. I dare say they’ve already undertaken another similar postcard campaign aimed at the Lords. What is disturbing is that many Tory MPs who voted no on February 5th said they did so because few constituents contacted them to support equal marriage while those in opposition overwhelmed them. I’ve always said apathy achieves nothing. If it weren’t for CPs, I think we might have seen a far larger surge in support among gay voters to contact their MPs and more of them voting yes. My gut feeling is many in the Lords will be inundated with opposing views and few from those in support.

      2. the catholic cult did the same in the war and very recently had their business leader who is a Nazi.

  4. Depressing really how many thousands of people are willing to go to so much effort to try and attack the families of complete strangers. I can’t imagine ever wanting to hurt other people so much as to rampage through the streets against their rights

  5. one word : EMBARASSING

  6. That There Other David 21 Apr 2013, 12:32pm

    This just proves the power of propaganda. This bill will have zero effect on the lives of the vast majority of French people, yet even elected officials are willing to commit assault and battery to protest its passing.

    Shameful.

  7. Sorry for the OT but what news from Britain?

    1. Off topic? Which topic then?

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 21 Apr 2013, 1:55pm

      You mean our equal marriage legislation, NewMarc? If that’s what you mean then there will probably be a third and final vote in the Commons after the opening of the new Parliament on May 8th, then it’s off to the Lords for further debate and hopefully, passage into law.

      1. Yes, thank you. What about Scotland? Will it be voted on this year or maybe the next? I mean both the bills.

        1. This summer. I don’t know what the exact date is though.

  8. It’s about equality and that should take precedence of everything including the sovereignty of a state.
    If institutions have to crumble or be got rid of eg; the established church in england, the so be it.

    1. “should take precedence before [or over] everything . . . “

  9. They can do whatever they want, the bill is going to pass and equal marriage will be a lawful and painful reality for them.

    1. How can we be sure, Gerald, that the bill “is going to” pass?

      Might not these extraordinary demonstrations on the streets of Paris cause just “enough” politicians to decide, out of fear of being rejected by their supporters, to change their votes to NO?

      I don’t want that to happen, but isn’t it a possibility?

      1. Dave North 21 Apr 2013, 4:37pm

        100,000, if it comes to that, moaning bigots is hardly representative of a country of 60 odd million.

        They are die hard religiously driven goons, and the more they spout there biblical proclaimed nonsense the more people of sense see them for what they are.

        Bear in mind. The US Family Research Council and MOM are funding this as they are losing the argument monumentally in the US.

        1. That’s NOM.

          1. But I guess a lot of All-American Xian Moms are part of NOM? :-)

          2. Dave North 21 Apr 2013, 5:41pm

            Oops. Slip of the keyboard. Bloody tablets….

        2. I agree, Dave, that many of the protesters are “die-hard religiously-driven goons” but should we feel certain that every MP is a right-thinking liberal who will not be at all swayed by this extraordinary exhibition AND the threat these “goons” have issued that if the bill is passed they will mount a further demonstration demanding a referendum? Can gays and lesbians in France trust in every French politician that much on this particular hot-potato?

          1. bobbleobble 21 Apr 2013, 5:37pm

            If a major demonstration of anything up to a million French people clogging the streets of Paris didn’t cause the bill to fail, I honestly cannot see this latest round of nonsense dissuading MPs and Senators from voting for the bill.

            Any threats of future demonstrations are pretty empty since Hollande isn’t going to veto the bill and the Constitutional Council are only asked to decide if the bill is constitutional and it’s hard to see why it would be.

      2. The bill is going to pass, because Holland party have the majority in both chambers, and because the constitutional council president, sau some days ago, that if we wanted to know their review, we have to look their review in 2011 when 2 woman sked them for legalized same sex marriage!!! and their answer was: it’s was the prerogative of assemblée national.
        Constitutional council have one month for say their review or 8 days if asked by the Holland, so the first marriage will be for early june or early july.

  10. Barry William Teske 21 Apr 2013, 4:56pm

    I guess France never got rid of its Nazi occupiers after all.

  11. Robert in S. Kensington 21 Apr 2013, 6:01pm

    The day that mob rule on both sides of the channel becomes a fad, then we can kiss democracy goodbye. Since when do a bunch of religious nutters get to dictate to an elected government what it can and cannot do in what is purely a civil matter? Equal marriage doesn’t affect any of them one iota. The only ones it affects are gay people. Will it stop heteros from marrying? No! Will it stop them from procreating? No! Will it redefine marriage? No! All it does is expand an existing law to include gay people, nothing more. That’s what democracy is all about, inclusion.

    1. I agree, Rob, totally! However, I think we, here in this safe cocoon at PinkNews, and when we are amongst our similarly-minded friends, forget that we are a relatively TINY minority.

      And I’m only talking there about our shared homosexuality. Homosexuality is a minority sexuality. Some say we’re 3%, others claim we’re as much as 10% of the population. Even if we were 10% (which I think is nonsense), that’s still a small minority.

      Then, sadly, add to this that various reputable and sound polls over the past few years have shown that only about 30% of the population say they definitely don’t believe in a “God”. That means that roughly 70% of that damned mob out there do believe in some kind of supernatural, and DO FEAR reprisals after death!

      This is what we’re up against. And as awful as it is we have to keep it in mind.

      The other thing we have to do, of course, is keep whittling away, to reduce the number of homophobes and the religious deluded! :-)

      1. Yes, of course a minority, but I do think that the number of closeted bisexuals to be greatly underestimated and conveniently ignored.

    2. Spanner1960 21 Apr 2013, 8:15pm

      Just as a point, can you please explain the difference between ‘democracy’ and ‘mob rule’?
      In my mind they politically equate to the same thing.
      The one thing I have always said it that human rights always trumps majority decisions.

      1. The mob come armed with pitchforks and torches rather than ballot slips.

        People voted for a government that supports equal marriage, this bill has been voted on by the elected representatives of the people.

        Why should a vocal, violent minority be allowed to interfere in the democratic process?

  12. I saw article in the france 24 website that there has been a very obvious muted support from French celebrities for gay marriage. And those that did only did so ,once the bill had got senate support.
    Is this because there are no worldwide well know French people? or just they are homophobic too? disgusting! the French should be very ashamed at the debacle of fascism they are seen to support on a world stage.

    1. I’m also fairly surprised by the non-existent support from French celebrities. Perhaps they deem “political agenda” too “lowbrow” to lift a finger. A shame, really!

      1. More like they are full of crap and terrified of offending the religious creeps. Anyhow I only know of one French celebrity gerard depardudu(I think he’s a singer or someit) and he is Putin’s bitch now.

        1. Depardieu is an actor, and nobodies see him as french now!! and for the french celebrities, again, you speak about things you don’t know or just by a friend in france say me blablabla
          There are lot of support from celebrities and since the start (november 2012) you just don’t know them, and france 24 article is just crap!

          1. Mathias, can you please post a list of links to significant French figures, including celebrities, who have spoken out strongly in public in support of Equal Marriage. Thank you.

    2. Rapture, at least part of the reason that there has been, as you have said, “a very obvious muted support from French celebrities for gay marriage” is that some public figures in France who have supported Marriage Equality have, apparently, received DEATH THREATS!

      See the following article in today’s Guardian.

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/21/france-gay-marriage-bill

      1. Death threats from the fascists, come on france do something about these terrorists, with their stupid pink n blue earrings.

  13. Xavier Bongibault 21 Apr 2013, 8:00pm

    No, its not “last protest”. The next will be on May 26, ahead of decision of French Constitutional Court on this piece of law.

    1. bobbleobble 21 Apr 2013, 8:53pm

      And that protest will be just as irrelevant. The Constitutional Council has already said that extending marriage to gay couples is a matter for Parliament to decide which Parliament is likely to do on Tuesday. So waste all the energy you like, cause as much chaos as you like but same sex couples will be able to marry in France soon and you know what, it won’t hurt or affect you in any way.

      1. Xavier your are just a shame for for all french and France, bobbleobble is right, you protests are irrevelant, and all he say it’s true, if we are lucky the constitunial council will give his review in a short time, have you not read what Michel Debré say about you same-sex and adoption bill??? it’s over for you

        1. Xavier Bongibault 23 Apr 2013, 12:47am

          Well, I suspect, we will talk about this very long time, until autumn 2017 or spring 2018. Then we will have an pretty referendum with one simple question for French public: “must every child have mother and father, or not ?” And I think, I know the right answer already now.

    2. Monsieur Bongibault, would you like all homosexual in France to have to wear pink stars when in public, just as all those French people who collaborated with the Nazis were prepared to accept?

      If not, could you tell us exactly, please, which dignities you are prepared to accord we “second-class citizens” and which not?

      1. Xavier Bongibault 23 Apr 2013, 12:40am

        Dictatorship is rule of minority over majority. Democracy is rule of majority, not minority. And majority of French people is against same-sex adoption. Its fact.

  14. What a showing up they are giving France.

    1. Indeed, doug. They are reminding us that during the Nazi occupation of France a vast number of French people chose to collaborate with the occupiers.

      Those French who collaborated with the Nazis SAW the Jews in their midst being forced to shut up shops and businesses and later being forced onto to trains bound for the extermination camps, but all of those French citizens who collaborated with the Nazis did NOTHING to object or stop it happening.

      Of course, thankfully, there were others who chose to support the French Resistance.

  15. Jean-Jacques Burlamaqui 22 Apr 2013, 4:46am

    Here are two truths regarding marriage: (1) A man creating a family with another man is not equal to creating a family with a woman, and (2) denying children parents of both genders at home is an objective evil. Kids need and yearn for both.

    Same-sex marriage proponents demand “Marriage Equality”, yet, in return, they offer less-than-equal protection of the child’s happiness than can be afforded through the presence of both biological parents.

    Same-sex marriage proponents profess that it is love which gives the right to join the institution of marriage, yet, in doing so, they selfishly violate the principle loving objective of this noble institution; to protect a child’s Natural Right to be raised by both biological parents.

    1. Jock S. Trap 22 Apr 2013, 8:23am

      My son disagrees with you, completely.

      Your arguments are flawed and, put simply, are rubbish!

    2. bobbleobble 22 Apr 2013, 9:19am

      Truth and your opinion are very different things. What you’ve given us here is the latter and as jock points out is total nonsense. Why are two men not equal to a man and a woman and why is it evil to have two parents of the same sex? Should the children of single parents caused through death or divorce be taken from those parents because of this natural right that’s been violated? If not why not since that would contradict the natural right you claim exists.

      You also claim marriage a principle loving objective which is apparently children. I’m sure you’re aware of childless couples so are they violating this too?

      Your opinions are so flimsy that they collapse under even a tiny amount of scrutiny. What’s the real reason you don’t want gay people to marry?

    3. Cut the nonsense, Monsieur Burlamaqui! What you are really so concerned about is your perceived loss of status in allowing we homosexual people to come up and sit in the front of the bus alongside you.

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