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  1. I hate these party political broadcasts you so often put on here.

    Who says we are ignoring LGBT activists in other countries? And why only the rest of Europe, why not the rest of the world?

  2. Italy is the Vatican and the Vatican is Italy.

    Sometimes, in some countries, you just have to accept that the bigotry level is just too extreme. Red flag these places and work around them. (Italy, Jamaica, Saudi Arabia etc.)

    1. I’m Italian and I agree with you.

    2. There are two major differences between Italy and the other countries you mention.

      Firstly, homosexuality is legal in Italy and has been since 1890. Comparing the situations of gay men in Italy and Jamaica, never mind Saudi Arabia, is frankly insulting to those who living under regimes which might imprison, torture or murder them at any moment.

      Secondly, there are levers with which to force change in Italy, namely the EU and the ECHR. The ECHR led to decriminalisation in many places where it seemed impossible, such as Ireland and Northern Ireland – a trick soon to be repeated in Northern Cyprus. And we have the EU to thank for antidiscrimination law across all member states, including Poland and Romania.

      The EU has already forced all members to grant a few rights to same-sex couples, and it could go a lot further. Whether you love or hate the EU, for as long as we’re in it we should be pushing it to do everything it can to get equal rights across all member states.

      1. Sorry for my langueage, but atalanta, you talk bulls*it. :) You have no clue what situation is in the rest of EU and Europe in general. How can you argue “They are OK since they have ECHR and EU” since what is on paper does not tell us what reality is. Have you read a single decision of the European Court of Human Rights about Eastern European country, especially the recent ones? Ever?

        I think the article above is more than precise and I am pleased to read it.

        I am from Bulgaria. (If you know where it is on the map…)

  3. As a visitor to Greece, I can attest to the power of the religious right (as represented by the Greek Orthodox Church) to blunt and paralyze Greek LGBTs (those who are out), in making progress and bringing change. These are perilous times in Greece, with a newly empowered, Nazi-inspired Golden Dawn party gaining seats in the Greek Parliament.

    1. Jerry
      what you describe is true, but the LGBT progress in Greece is not paralyzed. Two leftist political parties are now strongly pro LGBT, one of them is in the government coalition. Even more , the Justice minister (responsible for equal rights) come from the left, and promised to work soon on a CP law. Athens Pride is growing every year and Thessaloniki Pride (second largest city in the country) is strongly backed by the liberal mayor, despite opposition from church and far-right.
      Media are more and more covering gay issues (especially internet news sites), even though many find the economic crisis as an excuse, to delay any serious discussion of more gay rights. Yes the neo-nazis seem a real threat at the moment (mostly verbaly and in the parliament), but we re gearing up for “fight”

  4. Craig Nelson 18 Apr 2013, 9:17pm

    You mean like the German liberal party (the FDP) voting against marriage equality (even though its policy is to support) because it is in coalition with the Conservative CDU and ultra conservative CSU?

  5. Hungary is about as east as it gets in Europe. Don’t expect to get any further than that. Eastern Europe is not culturally European. It is as socially retarded a region as Africa and the Middle East.

    1. I am from Bulgaria and unfortunately agree with you. We are lacking here some BASIC democratic culture… Much has to be done.

      1. Still Bulgaria has had some progress on the issue. There have been small Sophia Pride parades . That s something. I know some greek people that participated. We need to back eachother as neighbouring countries.

  6. Of course we should not forget the rest of Europe in the same disgraceful manner that the European Parliament forgot the LGBT community by easing visa restrictions into the EU for people from the Ukraine.

    If the Section 28 style law about to be imposed on the Ukraine comes into law, does Trett support barring any Ukrainian politician who supports this law from entering the EU?

    If not then why not?

  7. Italians are not devotedly religious at all!!!
    Indeed, they do not know even the basic principles of the catholic religion and nobody is interested in what the clergy says. Some of them believe just because someone else thought them to do it ( tradition and nothing more ).
    Italy’s problems are the corrupted politicians, traitors of the Italian Republic such as the appreciated ( by the EU establishment ) Mario Monti.
    Indeed, he used to speak more with the Pope ( an absolut monarch of a foreigner state ) than with the Republic President.
    Fortunately the populations is many steps forward compared to its traitor “politicians” but we won’t see any GLBT right until these sons of bitch will carry on giving our money ( 6 billion euros per year ) to the Roman Pedophile church.

  8. Wonderful article! Thank you for this! As Bulgarian LGBT activist I can assure you that the Iron Curtain is still a fact in terms of marriage equality in Eastern Europe, even including Italy. Taking in account that in the Balkans even visibility is still an issue how can we expect further progress in ‘exotic’ matters as marriage!?… Your article shows real perspicacity.

  9. Call me selfish if you like, but after 50 years of trying to get EQUAL rights in the UK, I do not give a flying F about these backward dumps.

    Surely if the UK does get equal rights it will send a very strong signal to the EU to impose such rights on these places.

  10. I’ve read your s**t and it’s ridiculous….do u remember how many homosexuals were closed inside the NAZI concentration camps?

    you are confusing the victims with the executioners…a really well known and completely illogic tactic often use by the cretin fundamentalist christians.

    Poor repressed fa***t … let’s start doing something useful instead of loosing time writing these bu****it in which just people who believe in the existence of pregnant virgins can believe.

  11. Dear friends,
    I’ m writing from Greece. I worry about the future, mostly the nearest, because LGBT people have a very low level of legal protection. All the past years of prosperity, nothing has been done on this. Gay people are partly responsible for this. The social and political environment was hostile and still is, to a lesser degree though.
    Standing up for human rights and civil rights for LGBT peolpe is not uncommon, for thw two left parties, but Greek Right, oh, my dears, has nothing to do with Western European, even thw Spanish, Right parties. And I am talking about the major Government Party, New Democracy, not Golden Dawn, who are purely Nazis. 85 MPs of New Democracy together with GD MPs have proposed to discriminate against Greek citizens of non-Greek origin in enrollement to Military Schools and Police. This has only temporarily been suspended due to reactions of the two smaller Government Parties, PASOK and Democratic Left. New Democracy is negotiating with openly gay…

  12. …ministers, married to men, and inwards they behave like Mullahs.
    I am mostly writing these posts today, because there is an outrage going on in Greece right now, to the full responsibility of the Government. Many people in Greece are open to new ideas and true values, concerning lgbt people’ s rights. But their only media is internet. Alpha TV channel has recently changed its programme to broadcast a documentary on coming out. All trailers have been removed fron F/B as well. The long and powerfull hand of Greek Retardation. 20 tv channels, all as ONE.
    EURONEWS in Greek and Euronews in English ground broadcast has been permanently suspended. Only those who wish to see Euronews on web tv, or sattelite tv, can do so. Can you imagine an EU Country, where Euronews is treated as it would be in North Korea?
    This is the outrage that people of Europe must stand up against.

    1. I last visited Athens 3 years ago. Greek LGBTs I met seemed optimistic then at getting CP legislation passed. But many of them were still officially in the closet (some even expressing a desire to marry and raise a traditional family). I could not identify any out LGBTs who held any political office on any level. Greek media reflected the official views on these matters of the Greek gov’t and church. Given Greece’s daunting financial circumstance, it’s surprising there’s no official effort at least to capture a share of the lucrative LGBT travel dollar. However, with the rise of Golden Dawn, Greece may not be all that safe for the LGBT traveler.

      1. Dimitris T 21 Apr 2013, 8:32pm

        Ι’ m not a traveller, I live here…

      2. Dimitris T 21 Apr 2013, 8:36pm

        Though, the matter of Euronews, is something that an international movement should be aroused, I think

        1. Dimitris T 22 Apr 2013, 9:27pm

          Arousal is nice, but irrelevant, I’ m aftraid. Sorry for this funny mistake. Anyway, what is happening with Euronews, is something to begin with. Let’ s spread this.

      3. Though what you describe is mainly true, the situation in Greece for gays (tourists or locals) is not a dangerous one. There s the occasional gay bashing but not more than in any other european metropolis. The neo’nazi party is verbaly against gays, not physically. Our main problem is that there is minimal discussion on gay issues in general. Which severely delays progress on LGBT issues. Tourists were always highly respected in Greece, even in small touristical villages (vilages none the less!!!). True that Athens is lagging behind in emerging as a gay traveller destination, but Mykonos is ever thriving, and another island , Skiathos, has lately been trying to attract gay crowds by launching summertime gay festivals and activities (backed by local administration and businesses alike). So things are not so gloomy. Nevertheless progress is needed.

        1. Even though Greece has always been slightly xenophobic, I believe it offers the general traveler a wonderful experience, and in these times, a fairly economical one. But aside from Mykonos and a few gay-friendly venues, it’s doubtful that open LGBT couples would be warmly welcomed. The Gazi section of Athens appears to be shaping-up as Athens’ Castro or Greenwich Village, but has a long way to go to become a community. You’re basically where U.S. gays were in the 1980s. I think Greek LGBTs are very courageous because there’s so little support of any kind in the face of open hostility by the church and indifference by the Greek gov’t. Until you have real political power, however, you won’t be taken seriously.

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