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  1. I’ve encountered this “We can’t tackle equality until the economies fixed” argument before.
    It’s called the Nirvana fallacy – Choose any policy decision whatsoever and you can apply it:
    i.e. we can’t begin to tackle educational standards until we’ve first sorted out unilateral disarmament, the hole in the ozone layer, world peace, homelessness, the rattling noise at the back of my radiator… [insert subjective higher priority x here].
    Wrong partly because governments are divided into many specialist departments which each have teams of civil servants to deal with any number of pressing issues at once.
    Also bogus reasoning because the underlying subtext of this “whataboutery” is a transparent attempt to shove something else off the agenda indefinately.
    Bongibault may not want gay marriage for himself… in which case he’s under no obligation to have one.
    Why he needs to play Uncle Tom and chuck the rest of us under the bus is anyone’s guess. It’s not like he’s in the closet anymore

    1. Pat Berning 12 Apr 2013, 11:35pm

      Why don’t you come to France, listen to the rational arguments, report honestly on the real motivations of the Manif pour tous before throwing out all this garbage about them?
      This was a sick, biased, shocking article as are these rants that support it.

      1. Absolutely agreed, its all part of the gay agenda to play the ‘hate card’ and close down any discussion.

  2. “We have said since the beginning that we are not against homosexuals, we are simply against the government’s legislation”!

    The double-speak, the hypocrisy, is extraordinary!

  3. Robert in S. Kensington 12 Apr 2013, 1:28pm

    Even if the EU’s economic woes were non-existent, the economy vibrant and unemployment very low, does anyone really believe hate groups such as Manif pour Tous wouldn’t have formed?

    They’re exploiting the economy and other social issues at the expense of equal marriage. They just don’t want it. If they were genuinely concerned about jobs, why weren’t there millions of people across France taking to the streets and demanding them? 340,000 and 300,000 demonstrators is a very low number out of a population of over 65 million, miniscule. Just look at the dismal number who turned out in London, not even 2000. Laughable! Economy and jobs my arse!

    1. Really, the argument could just as easily be “we don’t want jobs. we want the government to fix the economy”.

      As if a government cannot work on multiple fronts at one time.

      Besides, if these idiots stopped blathering and actually didn’t try to actively stop marriage equality, it would get passed in a few days at most and then the government could get ON with those other priorities like the economy. or jobs. or making sure that roads get paved. or that teachers have salaries to work with.

  4. Robert in S. Kensington 12 Apr 2013, 1:35pm

    Equal marriage has just passed in the Senate and will be signed into law by Hollande after minor changes have been considered. Amazing, two catholic countries in one week.

    C4M/CI and the hatemongers in
    Parliament won’t be happy today.

  5. So you’re trying to say people who disagree with same-sex marriage should not express their opinion because that condones attacks like this?

    I am against same-sex marriage and do not accept the homosexual lifestyle as a valid one, but I would never condone this violence.

    Still, I will express my opinion if I want to. What you must understand is that most people who oppose homosexuality would never beat up a homosexual or encourage others to do so.

    The people who do beat up homosexuals would do so regardless of anti-same-sex marriage campaigns. They’re simply violent people and don’t need an excuse.

    I really don’t think campaigns and violence like this should be linked. It’s silly.

    1. Troll Alert 12 Apr 2013, 1:44pm

      Ignore the Troll thank you.

      1. I’m not a troll. This is my view. If I can find this website in a Google search and can type comments, I may do so.

        You don’t have to pay attention to it anyway.

        1. Dave North 12 Apr 2013, 2:57pm

          Coming onto a gay website where the vast majority of commentators will be gay and saying, and I quote

          “I am against same-sex marriage and do not accept the homosexual lifestyle”

          This will not win you any friends here and do you think we care one jot what you think on the topic.

          I’m afraid our lives and loves are NOT up for debate.

        2. Anyone who talks of “the homosexual lifestyle” is a complete and utter ignorant moron. Logic and reason is lost on you.

    2. You say we “must understand” that most people who are anti-gay are not gay bashers. We do understand. We meet people daily who hate us but don’t beat us up.

      But you need to understand we know more about homophobic violence than you – we experience it, we may try to minimise the risk of it, and we read studies about it.

      Homophobic violence, like other violence against minorities, is motivated by the assumption that the minority in question is less valued than the rest of society. They pick on those they see as vulnerable, and when you reject us and our identities, these idiots think that they are doing society a favour by assaulting us.

      You personally, and those who think like you, are not responsible for this attack. I share your disagreement with the article’s headline. Provided you do so peacefully, you have a right to express your opinions, even if they are ignorant, repellent and cruel.

      But the pity party you threw yourself is misplaced. Keep your pity for M. de Brujin.

    3. You say you do not condone this attack but homophobes like you condone prejudice which usually lads to violence. You are, therefore partly responsible for such attacks. I feel sorry for you, visiting a GLBT website and stating that our relationships are not valid. You try to be insulting and claim it is free speech. Free speech is a privilege. It’s a shame you use yours with such ignorance and malice.

  6. No, a gay person can NOT be “against” marriage equality. He can decide not to partake of it. But being actively against it? There’s something seriously flawed in the person’s psychological makeup. It’s sign of some deep and troubled dysfunction in that person.

    So in the final analysis, yes, manif pour tous IS homophobic.

    Anyone who is against equality is homophobic. There aren’t 50 ways to say it.
    Equality is equality is equality.(apologies to Gertrude Stein)

  7. It seems the attack on wilred de Brujin may well have been carried out by muslims

    1. Liam the God 12 Apr 2013, 3:27pm

      They were Homophobic Religionistas, no matter what shape their hats are, so to speak. Homophobia has “Religious Dogma” as it’s origin.

      1. Liam you are religiousphobic and class 1 a bigot, religiousphobia has communist dogma at its origin.

        1. God, you’re as dumb as a puddle of horse poo, love.

        2. In an ideal world people could believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster and read their 2000 year old bollocks in peace and privacy without people ridiculing their beliefs.

          However, religion has stunted humanity on many levels. Additonally, it has caused destruction, corruption, suffering and death on an unimaginable scale. There are still people using your beleifs as a weapon to destroy the lives of other humans.

          The history of Religion is one of devistation and travesty. If you continue to uphold these illogical beliefs in the 21st Century you’re going to have people who disagree and disapprove, because the fact is Religion causes much more harm than Good. And it’s debatable it causes any good at all…

  8. Robert in S. Kensington 12 Apr 2013, 4:43pm

    It’s not only happening in France but in Ireland too. I’ve no doubt we’ll be seeing something similar happening in the UK before too long.

  9. “Bongibault himself is gay. He is quoted as saying on the issue: “I militate in this way: the LGBT Associations I found deeply homophobic, here’s why – The idea that a homosexual must be for homosexual marriage because he’s homosexual.””

    Xavier Bongibault appears to be making the point that because some French homosexuals, such as himself, do not want to get married within 5 seconds of the legislation passing, then no homosexual couple in France should EVER have the option to marry, neither now, nor at any time in the future.

    I hope that when the legislation passes, and he wants to get married, he will be made to live by the rules he speaks for, and is denied.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 12 Apr 2013, 5:40pm

      We have our own share of British gays against EM. i find it interesting that in France, PACS were never used as a weapon to justify maintaining a ban on gays marrying, unlike CPs that have suddenly become a very useful m.o. for the opposition, many of whom didn’t support them when legislation was going through or after. Some in the French Conservative Party (UMP) tried to have an amendment implemented expanding the rights of PACS to mirror CPs but thankfully, it was shot down.

  10. Check “anglican mainstream” website and the “gay lies” leaflet. They were with manif pour tous @ trafalgar sq

  11. His last name is “de Bruijn” not de Brujin!

  12. You idea in this article is something crazy… so for you who don’t want gay marriage is a homophobic… mah!!!!!
    you are crazy

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